What is this... I dont' even... are there rumors flying about banning bumpers??? a totally legit gameplay tactic?

So you're just going to admit right up front that "sandbox" doesn't mean "anyone can do what they want - as long as they don't mess with me"?

Yes it's definitely sad to see people go down the drain like that. Even sadder that some fall for scum like him and actually pay him. Maybe I'll just bring a alt down there to see how long they actually focus on bumping me from the roids.

.... So pathetic .....

Hisec players top 3 10/2012

1. Chribba
2. James 315
3. Solstice Project

Why only these three create things, innovate and generally stand out from the faceless mass?

solution to bumping inbalances

realistic collision modeling

halo does it

How is this emergent gameplay?

John Galls Systemantics laws:
1. Everything is a system

2. No system exists in isolation. It is always part of a larger meta system
and contains an infinite number of subsystems.

3. All systems are infinitely complex.
The illusion of simplicity is achieved only by ignoring most of the factors.

Have to say I loved how much you put in there. Gives me stuff to read and learn from. I still stand by what I said, doing what everyone else has done but LOUDER is not emergent. The "Miner, pay me or I make your life hell by bumping," is as old as eve. I don't need to think at a deeper level to call it what it is, recycled and redressed.

I like to think he once saw a log over a creak and when he saw London Bridge or the Golden Gate he was like that's not impressive, I saw that before, logs have been doing that for years.

I'm amazed to see how much attention some unimportant guy gets on the forums based on the fact that he manages to be slightly annoying in one out of hundreds of systems.

I'm also somewhat amused by the "OMG IT'S A SANDBOX GAME" crew, and the indignation and rage they show when someone disagrees with THEIR ways of playing in the sandbox. Hai Solstice.

Have you actually *seen* what he does? He plays as -10 in hi sec like hi sec was nullsec or at least he makes it look like it is so.
It's awesome!

I have not seen anyone playing how he does. He does not just sit at a gate (he could not) waiting for the noob.

I think the point was that reducing anything to its base actions makes everything boring, not just James' bumping. For instance, Chribba just does trading, no big deal. The Mittani just tells a bunch of people what to do. You just push some buttons on your keyboard and then click a button that says "Post".

Why would you ask him to? It's completely irrelevant, he's arguing against some hypothetical line of debate about which things are more boring, which is inherently pointless and which I haven't even seen being made in this thread. It's a giant pointless strawman fallacy.

Wouldn't it be more productive, if you really were interested in discussing boredom, to find traditionally boring activities, find people who enjoy them, and then ask them why they enjoy them? That would still be way offtopic in this thread, of course, but if you find a place to do that, that would be a way do move it forward in a productive direction.

I'm not sure what elaboration it requires. While James is technically doing "nothing new" from a mechanical point of view, I have never heard of a united and profitable anti-AFKer campaign in hisec featuring bumping as its main tactic. Calling it "just bumping miners, which is as old as Eve" is like calling Solstice's stuff or the Goonswarm ice interdiction "just hisec-ganking, which is as old as Eve". It discredits these efforts by reducing them to as simple terms as possible.

As another example, saying Shakespeare "just wrote some words" is technically true, but also quite unfair.

It's not profitable, as an anti-AFK'er campaign. Hardly anyone pays for indulgences.

It's very profitable, as a "pay to join cool club", which is definitely not new. It's obviously emergent gameplay, despite not being new. I think Vaerah is operating with a personal definition of 'emergent' which specifically disallows gameplay which is both not innovative, and consists of getting a group of people together to bully others, from being called emergent. Like Solstice already mentioned, emergent behavior is actually the norm not the exception when it comes to interactions of things which are already wellsprings of emergence, like living things, so any time you start throwing around emergence as a positive worthy goal, these redefinitions are quite common.

I guess you answered a rhetorical question. Oops.

Indeed I have not seen you in action; in any case I have no problem at all with what you do, whatever you do exactly. My point is that it is idiotic for Vaerah Vahrokha to praise what you do while dismissing what James 315 does, because you are doing the same thing James 315: using the game to entertain people, which is great. My qualification of your actions as just "podding some autopiloting dude" was to compare it to Vaerah Vahrokha's qualification of James 315's actions as just "bumping some AFK dude".

Interesting.

The bumpers have made a temporary voyage to Gallente space. Their vacation spot there is in Tolle, and neighboring systems . This only happened yesterday, so I have yet to make personal observations there. I assume it will be different, as GSF's ice interdiction is also happening in those systems, so will be interesting to see how the dynamic is different. I suppose I'll be switching to a tanked procurer to mine there on my alt.

Just run away, try to ignore that you're a coward and hope somebody else will deal with him.

No a matter of cowardice. I want to mine, I'm going to mine.

If I go to a restaurant, and someone was blocking the door, would I try to beat him up? Would I get arrested because I want to go to a restaurant?

No, I'd go to another restaurant. Simple.

So yes, someone else can deal with him, but he won't be affecting my gameplay.

I don't know who thinks there is no counter to the Bumpers; I've seen 'escort bumpers' in many ice fields permabumping anybody that even gets close to their fleet ice mining op. Seems to work, mostly.....one bumper got so pissed he forgot he was up in hisec and got CONCORDOKKENED....was pretty funny.


So it looks like a few of the ice miners are awake and adapting, it seems.

You give the community too little credit to its apathy.

*Queues dramatic music*

No, I am James 315

Part of me wishes that all miners everywhere would simply stop mining and unsub. After which, prices on well, everything would sky rocket. No one could afford anything. The economy would become chaotic.

I really REALLY want this to happen just so you anti-miners see that you are indeed the cancer killing eve.

Actually his words historically aren't so mild. They are more "lengthy" and rub a large number of people the wrong way.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=450957
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626

He is now acting on those, bumping miners and extorting money from them, all the whole maintaining an apparently infuriating RP as the "savior of hisec" (you can't really break it either, because it's not RP in the "I put on my wizard hat" sense; it's all real action).

Also check out http://www.minerbumping.com .

I've been following minerbumping for months now, and as a new player, I applaud this fascinating and interactive way of playing and making isk the New Order has shown so many. My question is when will Ccp buff bumping so that the payouts are on par with missioning, mining, and FW? Will we be receiving our own Lp store? How will our NPC agents be dispersed?

If Carriers Carry... and battleships battle... then surely the best ship to bump miners would be a barge?

Ah yes...a simple site run by a simple idiot

I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage.

"I do the same...I play how I want to play and I should be able to without some idiot charging me 10 million isk for the privilage."

Rebel against the authority that may suppress you.

I can only think of one other person with an ego as big as you sooooooo...Hi James...didn't think you were on this early.

And what exactly do you contribute that's all the world like content eve cannot survive without that gives you the credibility to say anything regarding this matter?

I don't exactly know, but tons of people in this forum have been posting stuff like this lately: "Roime wrote:
Hisec players top 3 10/2012

1. Chribba
2. James 315
3. Solstice Project

Why only these three create things, innovate and generally stand out from the faceless mass?
"
Some kind of anti-afk emergent ganking project is all I remember.

It's alphabetical?

I did. Local read:

"x up for mining boost"
"x"
"x"
"x"


Aaaand that was about that. Add a smattering of suicide ganking on mission boats and you're about there.

I still suspect it's a donation scam (and a corker at that).

If it is a legitimate bumping the human body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

American politics. Which is to say, idiocy.

Like I said, all that matters to me is the opinion of the miners. They say go, I go. They say stop, I stop. Shame me all you want, tell me I'm evil, quote what you'd like. In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible.

Will people not be comfortable? Sure
Will people be upset? Of course
Will people keep resisting? You bet

I don't like doing it anymore than anyone else, unless it's to keep miners on their asteroids. Those miners have thanked me and others for working to protect them in that way. But they've spoken and said that the tactic against pro-bumpers makes sense. They want one thing, you out of their system. They'll secure that want at all costs.

So please. Villanize me, spit on my name, try to discredit me. This resistance started with the bumpers talking down and spitting on the name of the casual gamer, and it will end when bumping miners is no more.

It's emergent gameplay...

it's a freebe, say thank you.

Except what you're saying is not true either. How could they simply not be at their keyboards if they're encouraging me? Giving the group intel? Helping other miners? Developing their own plans. Simply because the action is not advertised in a grandiose manner does not mean it isn't happening.

If anyone is wrong here, it'd be you for your presumptions.

Good one!

Let me ask you: How far back to 6th grade did you have to go for that one? 5 years? 10 years?



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