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Tommy Robotic
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.22 12:30:00 -
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I've been looking to move out to WH space and am quite excited. I'm building a laundry list of stuff to bring with me and training up alts. However in the meantime I've been scanning down wormholes in preparation of the move (I know these WHs will be gone by the time I'm ready to move) but I haven't found any candidates so far. Is it really hard to find a C1/C2 unoccupied home? What should I do to find a home?
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Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
97
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Posted - 2012.10.22 12:35:00 -
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Just keep scanning, when you do find what you're looking for, leave the scanning character there. That's the only way for you to keep track of how to get in there. |
Mattalious
The Marmarati
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Posted - 2012.10.22 12:52:00 -
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It's literally going to be a case of scanning, scanning and more scanning. Some WHs are worth more than others, so don't even think of going for a dual static C2 if you're just moving into w-space - a small corp would never hang onto one of those for long. If you're taking in other with you then when you're ready try splitting up and heading to the different corners of Empire space. All you need is one person to strike it lucky and then they can call the rest of you over to it. |
Tommy Robotic
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.22 13:02:00 -
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Thank you very much for the replies.
Thanks for the tip on not grabbing a double C2 static. What SHOULD I be looking for if I'm solo and wouldn't be able to defend against much of an assault? I was hoping for a C1/C2 with a static lowsec? |
Alice Saki
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Posted - 2012.10.22 13:19:00 -
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Kryxal
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:51:00 -
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Actually, I think all C2s are dual-static, one w-space and one k-space. As for finding an empty system, best of luck ... all you can do is scan, scan, and scan some more. We actually ran across a C1/high a few days back, and were very surprised that nobody lived there.
Incidentally, if you want a high access, scan in high, for a low access scan in low, somebody may be using that WH as a k-space route in a longer chain, or at least opened it before crashing the route further up the chain (who would bother crashing the c1>low in a C5>C5>C4>C5>C6>C1>low chain, after all?) |
Bodega Cat
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:29:00 -
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If you are solo, and don't plan on doing any mining and stuff where you would need an Orca, I would say C4 with a static C1(POGO) is best for what you are likely able to do. Theirs plenty of these that don't have active POS' in.
C4's are the least populated (they are usually just trafficked by bigger corps chaining outwards), and you won't be bugged as much there. A static C1 means you get access to fast farm combat sites that you can do quickly, salvage quickly, and take your nano ribbons back. Dip in and dip out. You won't be able to do any of the C4 content by yourself, unless you have a set of highly skilled alts, but that could give you some longer term goals while you rake in easy C1 money.
While true, you won't have any access to high sec space directly from your home, you can often find them easily out of C1's with little trouble. Again, you won't be able to take battleships or larger through, but thats the price of the described reclusivity. |
Tommy Robotic
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:12:00 -
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Bodega Cat wrote:If you are solo, and don't plan on doing any mining and stuff where you would need an Orca, I would say C4 with a static C1(POGO) is best for what you are likely able to do. Theirs plenty of these that don't have active POS' in.
C4's are the least populated (they are usually just trafficked by bigger corps chaining outwards), and you won't be bugged as much there. A static C1 means you get access to fast farm combat sites that you can do quickly, salvage quickly, and take your nano ribbons back. Dip in and dip out. You won't be able to do any of the C4 content by yourself, unless you have a set of highly skilled alts, but that could give you some longer term goals while you rake in easy C1 money.
While true, you won't have any access to high sec space directly from your home, you can often find them easily out of C1's with little trouble. Again, you won't be able to take battleships or larger through, but thats the price of the described reclusivity.
As always, keep your ships as cheap and efficient as possible. This protects your over all margin when you inevitably lose ships. Always keep a couple back up scanner alts in your home in case you get shut out. And realistically, as a solo player, cover at least 2 out of every 3 wormholes with a cloaky alt during operations (or just don't do anything at all if theirs 3+ holes in a system and you don't wanna risk a gank).
Great info, thank you very much. Are C4's the best chance I have at not getting my system taken over? |
Bodega Cat
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:15:00 -
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I would say yes, but anything without a static high sec remains largely unattractive to affiliations capable, or with deep enough pockets to want to run an operation like yours out.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
403
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Posted - 2012.10.23 00:18:00 -
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Bodega Cat wrote:C2's/C3's with statics into C4's or C5's and High sec statics
WTB C3 with double static.
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
691
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Posted - 2012.10.23 01:59:00 -
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Empty C2s are very few and very far between.
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Lucius Arcturus
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
201
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Posted - 2012.10.23 05:47:00 -
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Taggart can help. Join the Wormhole sales channel in-game if you have any questions.
Taggart Website
Taggart Blog
Taggart WH Sales |
Wolvun
Crimson Cell
56
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Posted - 2012.10.23 23:29:00 -
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Lucius Arcturus wrote:Taggart can help. Join the Wormhole sales channel in-game if you have any questions.
^ This.
Although there is a lot of empty C1's you will find if you scan for long enough there is not a lot of good C2's with good WH statics left available. And it is just easier to look for one on the taggart list and jump in. |
Dex DelaVenuto
Sky Templars
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Posted - 2012.10.24 02:29:00 -
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if you can't find one buy one, i did. save me trouble scanning for months. and use taggart as people suggested. I m trying to find a second c1 or a c2 and this time in nullsec.
free ad from them. http://www.wormholesales.com/ |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.10.24 02:47:00 -
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A lot of the newbier people at WHs don't stick to single systems for long it seems, I've had an alt in a C2 for about a year, and it's changed owners about 10 times since then. 
Finding a currently empty one might be a bit tough, but if you have a couple throwaway scanning characters you could try your luck at keeping them in wormholes you might like.
One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Marsan
Production N Destruction INC.
52
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Posted - 2012.10.24 03:26:00 -
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The trick finding a hole is finding a system with right static and put a scanning alt in the hole. Then just scan down the static every day until you find one you like. Or if the system you are searching from is empty then you can simply roll the hole repeatedly. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
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Posted - 2012.10.24 09:18:00 -
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Considering how populated the lower classes are these days, you might be better off putting out a offer of isk to find an empty C1 - C2, by spamming places like the exploration channel, or making a thread. You'd increase your chances significantly over just solo scanning and hoping to luck out. Though be wary of dicks trying to scam you, only payout after you've setup your POS, and be clear from the start that its a condition of the payout. Plus the more isk you offer, the more people are going to be out scanning for you! 
I wouldn't recommend a C4, they're not populated for a reason. They've become the main feeding/battleground of the higher classes, and you'd have to fight to keep your space. |
Wolvun
Crimson Cell
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Posted - 2012.10.24 10:11:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Considering how populated the lower classes are these days, you might be better off putting out a offer of isk to find an empty C1 - C2, by spamming places like the exploration channel, or making a thread. You'd increase your chances significantly over just solo scanning and hoping to luck out. Though be wary of dicks trying to scam you, only payout after you've setup your POS, and be clear from the start that its a condition of the payout. Plus the more isk you offer, the more people are going to be out scanning for you! Highsec statics should be avoided if you are looking to stay there for a long time. It tends to generate loads of traffic into your hole, and you might find it very hard to get things done with the constant threat of random attacks. Does make hauling and logistics alot easier though, so thats a balance you'd have to decide on yourself. I wouldn't recommend a C4, they're not populated for a reason. They've become the main feeding/battleground of the higher classes, and you'd have to fight to keep your space.
If i was selling a hole i wouldn't bother selling to someone that wanted their POS set up before i got paid, i just wouldn't bother and i have sold many.
Considering stats have been posted in this subsection with facts to show C4's have the least evictions/invasions and are carebear paradise you should just go back to logging off at the slightest hint of danger. Your capital ship will stay spinning at your C3 pos forever. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
449
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Posted - 2012.10.24 10:21:00 -
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Yeah, it's pretty hard to find a unoccupied C1 and C2. Your options are 1) choose a different class 2) join an existing corp 3) kick someone out of their C1/C2
They see me trolling, they hating... |
Mattalious
The Marmarati
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Posted - 2012.10.24 13:38:00 -
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Bodega Cat wrote:If you are solo, and don't plan on doing any mining and stuff where you would need an Orca, I would say C4 with a static C1(POGO) is best for what you are likely able to do. Theirs plenty of these that don't have active POS' in.
C4's are the least populated (they are usually just trafficked by bigger corps chaining outwards), and you won't be bugged as much there. A static C1 means you get access to fast farm combat sites that you can do quickly, salvage quickly, and take your nano ribbons back. Dip in and dip out. You won't be able to do any of the C4 content by yourself, unless you have a set of highly skilled alts, but that could give you some longer term goals while you rake in easy C1 money.
I'll second that. I live in a C4 with a C4 static and it's a relatively quite life. We get spats of K162s, but there's normally long stretches of time without them cropping up - normally C5s and C2s. Whilst a Static C4 is better for earning ISK, it can be a real pain in the arse geting back to K-space to sell blues and nanos, but that's the territory it comes with. To be honest once you're earning good money in a C4* you can afford to go a month between visits to K-space.
*Yes, I realise it's not C5 money, but for small corps it's considerably better than mission running. |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
72
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Posted - 2012.10.24 15:16:00 -
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This post might help you decide the best way to find what you're looking for. |
Bodega Cat
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
41
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Posted - 2012.10.24 23:05:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:
I wouldn't recommend a C4, they're not populated for a reason. They've become the main feeding/battleground of the higher classes, and you'd have to fight to keep your space.
They're not populated because they don't have high sec drops, they don't escalate, but their also not quite easy enough to be done solo (you need alts to run tengu' rep's and camp holes) so bigger operations are better off going C5+.
Yes C4's do get traffic out of orange/red holes from bigger ops pipelining out that would love to gank. But this is a marginal problem in the scenario i described because if you are living in the C4, but you are leveraging your C1 static for income as a solo player, you can completely avoid annihilation style confrontation. If you ever get caught in the C1 through your backdoor, all you stand to lose is a Drake (rather than a pair of Tengu's, or basilisks that you would need to run C4 sites). Not a bad loss at the end of the day when it inevitably happens.
C1 money as a solo player tends to be good enough, specially if you get good at collapsing holes till you find ripe systems regularly (which will be tough considering the limitations of a POGO, you'll need to master unique techniques known by few to do this reliably). People underestimate how fast you can clear and salvage them CeeOnes for ribbons, at a low risk.
The most challenging thing about this for a new wormhole players is being tucked in 2 deep all the time means more scanning, and more feeling of remoteness. But, that same remoteness does mean more security. It's not a bad trade off at all considering the overall state of things in w-space right now. |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
56
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Posted - 2012.10.24 23:16:00 -
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an advice and one
if you're anew and don't have your racial Battleship To 5 and remote repairs to 5 and slavaging To 5 already == look for a C2
during the time you learning your astrometrics skills make money ( find a Way) and BUY a C2 there is some 3rd party here.
When you get enough money to Buy a C2+Pos+ Structures+Fuel for one Month : buy it and brind a couple of friends With you.
Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Mattalious
The Marmarati
8
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Posted - 2012.10.24 23:48:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:an advice and one
if you're anew and don't have your racial Battleship To 5 and remote repairs to 5 and slavaging To 5 already == look for a C2
during the time you learning your astrometrics skills make money ( find a Way) and BUY a C2 there is some 3rd party here.
When you get enough money to Buy a C2+Pos+ Structures+Fuel for one Month : buy it and brind a couple of friends With you.
To be fair you don't need your racial battleship, repairs or salvaging to five just to move into a WH. There's a reason Tengus and drakes are the bread and butter of low end WH space.
The other thing I'll add is if you are a couple of WHs in, haul as much POS fuel as possible in when the chances arrive. About six months ago we spent an evening running in a years worth of components to make fuel for a medium tower, simply because we're deep into WH space - C4 with a C4 static. Getting in and out can sometimes involved going through five or more different holes, and to be honest we don't tend to haul unless it's shorter. People tend to pay attention when they see Itty runs back and forth... |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
79
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Posted - 2012.10.25 04:46:00 -
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And for god sake...if you see a Russian POS run...cause they'll PVP you to death...them Russkies love WH...I lost my WH to comrades  |
LoanWolf Tivianne
Ace's And 8's
0
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Posted - 2012.11.15 06:40:00 -
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Piugattuk wrote:And for god sake...if you see a Russian POS run...cause they'll PVP you to death...them Russkies love WH...I lost my WH to comrades
lol yep
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Wolvun
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
65
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Posted - 2012.11.15 06:53:00 -
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Piugattuk wrote:And for god sake...if you see a Russian POS run...cause they'll PVP you to death...them Russkies love WH...I lost my WH to comrades
See i find this to be the opposite, every russian WH corp i have encountered have always done really odd things, none that have made me wary of them and feel the need to avoid them. |
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
82
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Posted - 2012.11.24 00:59:00 -
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Wolvun wrote:Piugattuk wrote:And for god sake...if you see a Russian POS run...cause they'll PVP you to death...them Russkies love WH...I lost my WH to comrades See i find this to be the opposite, every russian WH corp i have encountered have always done really odd things, none that have made me wary of them and feel the need to avoid them.
This, although the PowerDucks seem to be p. chill about PvP skirmishing from our run-ins with 'em. |
Raptors Mole
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
33
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Posted - 2012.11.25 17:07:00 -
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If you have 2 accounts I would seriously consider a C3 with Low Sec static. Lowsec = less visitors than a Static Hi, but logistics isn't the mare a Static Null can be. You'll probably have to fight for one with a Static Hi - plus you get visitors, generally out to shoot you.
I just don't like C1's - the isk is bad for sites, Mass limits on the WH are very restrictive. Oh, and they smell.
Although P.I doesn't change with category of WH, but depends on the planets so you can make a lot of ISK that way. 2 PI toons should make enough to pay for your POS.
2 Drakes can run the sites comfortably in a C3 and the ISK is far better than C1, C2 and probably better than C4 sites unless the fleet is optimal.
Some sage advice so far in the thread, so will just add a couple of gems.
1. Large POS only. Well Defended.
2. Shoot people in the face. Often. Say GF afterwards.
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Raptors Mole
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
33
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Posted - 2012.11.25 17:14:00 -
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Oh, and once you have moved in;
Post in every Null Sec Whine thread "No Local".
Its expected. |
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