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Draco Bismarck	Posted - 2005.03.30 09:52:00 - [1] Edited by: Draco Bismarck on 30/03/2005 11:28:36 What would be better? Apoc (lvl4) with t2 guns specialization (lvl3) and loads of gunnery skills? Or raven (lvl3) with torps (lvl2)? Training skills for better results is not an option. Just want to know what is better with current skills.
Akaviri	Posted - 2005.03.30 10:03:00 - [2] Raven ````````````` _ \|\_ ````````````` \` oo\ ````````_____/ =__Y= `````` /` `````` ) `_``` / ` , ``` \/\_.(\_/) ((____\| `` )_--\ \_-`(x.x) `------'`------` `--` (> <) Kitty pwns Bunny!
Shinshi Casoyako	Posted - 2005.03.30 10:04:00 - [3] Edited by: Shinshi Casoyako on 30/03/2005 10:05:33 You cant do tech 2 guns with lvl3 skill right? It all depands on your tanking skill not gunnery skill. Whats your tank skill in shield and in armor? Edit: An untanked raven (or apo for the matter) will be wtfpwnd@warpin. While a tanked apo will just take time and a tanked raven will do it really fast. Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online?
Ralitge boyter	Posted - 2005.03.30 10:10:00 - [4] Depends on your tanking ability for both ships.... Are you a good shield tanker but not as skilled at the armor tanking go for Raven. The other way around go for Apoc. Looking at your mentioned skills you should be able to do quite a bit of damage in both ships so that should not be the issue here the tanking ability is what will make the diffrence in your case.
Shirei	Posted - 2005.03.30 10:19:00 - [5] It depends on the type of mission you get. Both ships have no problems tanking most spawns. For missions that have lots of BS rats or cruisers that stay at range (10-15k+), the Apoc should be way faster if you have t2 guns, while for missions with many frigates or cruisers that orbit at 2-5k you will get tracking problems with guns, so the Raven will be faster.
Roderick Blaine	Posted - 2005.03.30 11:20:00 - [6] With the upcomming pulse laser nerf (in 1-2 weeks) it will be hard to get a good mission setup for an apoc. Currently I have a full tanked Apoc (3 hardners, 2 large armor repairs, rest cap recharge 2 and cap relays) + 6 mega pulse 2 + 2 siege with torps. Works quite well, but only because I have a comrad in a caracle to shoot down close and fast cruisers/frigates. With the nerf the range of my mega pulse 2 will drop from 21km down to 15km. To overcome this I have to go to mega beams (10% less dot and less tracking) or my comrad has to boost me with tracking links 2. The Raven will get a nerf soon too. The upcomming missile change will make torps and cruise useless against frigates (maybe even against fast cruisers)
Hojne	Posted - 2005.03.30 11:28:00 - [7] Edited by: Hojne on 30/03/2005 11:30:11 Depends what types of ships you will shoot.
Yeux Gris	Posted - 2005.03.30 11:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Roderick Blaine The Raven will get a nerf soon too. The upcomming missile change will make torps and cruise useless against frigates (maybe even against fast cruisers) Utter drivel! The way npc frigs behave it wont make much of a difference at all. PVP is another story all together! Who let the cows out?! mOo. mOo. mOo.. mOo mOo...! WTB 8x 280mm Scout Howies. Will pay 20% more than Naga's current price
Mitram	Posted - 2005.03.30 16:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Yeux Gris Utter drivel! The way npc frigs behave it wont make much of a difference at all. PVP is another story all together![/quote Not complete true. In my lvl4 missions frigates are often sitting in 5km range with 24m/s speed and my mega pulse can not hit them. At 24m/s every shot should hit. So I wouldn't be surprised if the trops just fly around the frigate for ever...
Dirtball	Posted - 2005.03.30 16:46:00 - [10] Apocalypse
Lidza	Posted - 2005.03.30 16:49:00 - [11] Edited by: Lidza on 30/03/2005 16:49:48 Originally by: Draco Bismarck Edited by: Draco Bismarck on 30/03/2005 11:28:36 What would be better? Apoc (lvl4) with t2 guns specialization (lvl3) and loads of gunnery skills? Or raven (lvl3) with torps (lvl2)? Training skills for better results is not an option. Just want to know what is better with current skills. Apoc with T2 weapons speciallization are u afraid of finding some DreadN in some lvl4 mission or what? Anyway... One Apoc with standard fittings (I mean T1 modules) is enough for all LVL4 missions without the need to run away (warping out) or even to scream for support.
Warnings	Posted - 2005.03.30 17:16:00 - [12] Edited by: Warnings on 30/03/2005 17:18:40 Raven raven miss never, you can choose your damage, you can tank and you can shoot of 0 to 100 km. My apoc with 6 mega pulse II and large turret 5/large spec pulse 4. I miss all frigate and almost all cruisers (only torp and drones). I shoot the cruisers/bs if their orbit is + of 10-15km and no mwd and no high velocity. Else I miss oft. Because the damage and the tank of npc is very good, I don't make the mission alone. You can try to shoot with laser a Infested Dominix ? It's possible but, you go to ~20km for shoot with multy, launch drone and launch torp for shoot this npc else, it's impossible. You can try @40km (orbit range of this npc) and try with a raven after ...
Lidza	Posted - 2005.03.31 10:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Warnings Edited by: Warnings on 30/03/2005 17:18:40 Raven raven miss never, you can choose your damage, you can tank and you can shoot of 0 to 100 km. My apoc with 6 mega pulse II and large turret 5/large spec pulse 4. I miss all frigate and almost all cruisers (only torp and drones). I shoot the cruisers/bs if their orbit is + of 10-15km and no mwd and no high velocity. Else I miss oft. Because the damage and the tank of npc is very good, I don't make the mission alone. You can try to shoot with laser a Infested Dominix ? It's possible but, you go to ~20km for shoot with multy, launch drone and launch torp for shoot this npc else, it's impossible. You can try @40km (orbit range of this npc) and try with a raven after ... Just one APOC is enough to clear 2x Supreme Rouge Drones (Infested Dominix) + their rough drone supporters and no need to use T2 modules (specially T2 weaponary). And I do this all the time, doing this missions a solo. Also one APOC is enough for missions which appear 4 Geddons + support ships. I don't use the "cheat" that this to bookmark at 60Km away and then jump that BM 30km way from it to get more than 100km away from the battle... because that does not provide any thrill. I warp directly to 60km away from them to let the group comming towards me... That is the thrill... and this thrill can only be found on PvP. So my setup is for close-medium range combat (5km-66km) of course my apoc is tanked. And I don't have skills for T2 weaponary therefore T1 weponary is good enough for the job and Apoc is good enough for the job.

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