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Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:19:00 -
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With a tier 3 war zone control, you can earn about 25k isk defensive plexing a major with high vulnerability. Let's say you do that twice an hour.
It's much easier to do this now with minmatar than the old offensive plexing because there are many more systems and they are pretty empty compared to the 5 or so systems amarr had previously and that were full of players on both sides. The fitting is really easy too, all you need is 2 warp core stabs. Heck, you can get an incursus with 4 warp core stabs and a cloak.
This would allow you to have 4+ accounts running at same time with no supervision and all you have to do when you hear a target lock it to just warp away to a planet, wait a minute, warp back and cloak. Eventually the guy will leave because he wont be able to spot you anymore. If he stays just go to a different system.
With 4 accounts that's 200 mil isk per hour with lp=1000 isk, which is what it is now. It won't really go down below this cause cheaper faction ships will increase demand anyway, or else everyone will be flying faction stabbers, firetails, etc. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:27:00 -
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What's your plan for two weeks from now when the ass-end of Metropolis isn't highly contested anymore? |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:32:00 -
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If amarr isn't doing it, you can always have amarr alts doing offensive plexing to bring it back up
to contested. I'm sure many people have these alts already... And with amarr at warzone control 2, offensive plexing is pretty good money anyway. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:33:00 -
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Areana Starr wrote:This would allow you to have 4+ accounts running at same time with no supervision and all you have to do when you hear a target lock it to just warp away to a planet, wait a minute, warp back and cloak. Eventually the guy will leave because he wont be able to spot you anymore. If he stays just go to a different system.
Cuz engaging in pvp in a pvp game in a pvp setting is just rude. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:37:00 -
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Areana Starr wrote:With 4 accounts
OP should have read 50M/hr then
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Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:38:00 -
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I'm just pointing it out that farming can be done with semi afk alts, not that the system is awesome. Heck, you can pvp with ur main while farming with the alts, since the only way you die is if they get 5 points on you. And what do you lose? 4 warp core stabs since the insurance will most pay for the incursus. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:40:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Areana Starr wrote:With 4 accounts OP should have read 50M/hr then
10 hours will pay for four accounts for the whole month, and you are learning skills while doing it |
David Campbell
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:54:00 -
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It's just sad that the question on everyone's mouth since the new change to FW is how can we milk it efficiently. I thought the point of it was to have fun fighting the other faction. I must have been mistaken.
However for all the farmers out there, I have a pro tip for you that max your ISK/hrs ratio : Get a another job, buy plex with real money and sell it for ISK. If all you want is ISK, it's the best way to do it and I'm sure you can earn billions per month. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:00:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:It's just sad that the question on everyone's mouth since the new change to FW is how can we milk it efficiently. I thought the point of it was to have fun fighting the other faction. I must have been mistaken.
However for all the farmers out there, I have a pro tip for you that max your ISK/hrs ratio : Get a another job, buy plex with real money and sell it for ISK. If all you want is ISK, it's the best way to do it and I'm sure you can earn billions per month.
That is the point, but it needs to be implement better. The reason I posted it is to point out that it is still very farmable so it needs to be changed.
I mean it can be farmed WHILE playing your main. So you can enjoy eve how you want while still making a lot of isk. With 4 accounts farming, you can be loosing 2-4 battle cruisers every hour and still come out ahead.
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:02:00 -
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200m an hour, really
So you can kill all the rats to bounce it back up and down and maintain 200m an hour, while non farming retards try and kill you. Amazing.
Im trying to work out in my head, how much slower a four man FW Mission Tengu gang would have to run, even with the 5 mission each cap, just to drop down to 200m an hour.
Best I can do is,..... A LOT!.
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kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:06:00 -
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Even better, with four accounts and 200m an hour only he will drop even below the casual, just having fun shooting npcs carebears in highsec. You know those guys not desperately trying to make cash. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:13:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Even better, with four accounts and 200m an hour only he will drop even below the casual, just having fun shooting npcs carebears in highsec. You know those guys not desperately trying to make cash.
How do you make 200 mil an hour shooting npcs in high sec?
Of course mission running is a lot better, but you will need much better skills, ship, etc. my point is you can do this with brand new accounts while doing other things. Heck, you can do your tengu mission running while doing this defensive plexing. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:24:00 -
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you can probably make 200mil/hour with 4 accounts running HS L4 missions so, not all that impressed. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:30:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:you can probably make 200mil/hour with 4 accounts running HS L4 missions so, not all that impressed.
Isn't it a lot harder to multi task 4 accounts running level 4 missions than 4 afk accounts? For level 4s, you need good skills for battleships, good standings... Not that easy to have 4 accounts than can do that, much less actually controlling 4 battleships at once.
With defensive plexing, you have 4 brand new accounts that pretty much afk.
Do you see the imbalance here? |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:55:00 -
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...for two or three weeks until the ass-end of Metropolis is no longer highly contested.
At which point you need at least 4 Amarr alts to counterbalance the effects of your AFK deplexers. Which will require you to be at the keyboard, since you will need to kill the rats and run away from the people trying to kill you. And you'll be competing with other good for nothing farmers for valuable plexes in highly contested systems.
So you wind up running 8-10 alts in what ends up being a fairly labour intensive way of pulling in ~40 million per character-hour. This doesn't quite trip my 'omg broken' meter. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 01:05:00 -
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You don't need 4 new alts, you can switch militias, or the alts can be on the same 4 accounts. The defensive plex alts dont need any skills.
Btw how much does ice mining make? I can afk mine in a retriever for 10+ mil an hour but that isn't anywhere near as good |
Asari Tadaruwa
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.10.26 01:21:00 -
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with this logic you can make 1b an hour with FW. just takes 25 accounts |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 01:33:00 -
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No, because there needs to be a balance between how many available systems there are, how much attention each account requires, etc.
Sure If fw was completely empty than you can run 25 accounts, but it's not and finding a good system still takes some time and there are pirates/opposing militia members.
4 accounts is used in the example because it's easy, very doable, and doesn't require much set up and activity. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2012.10.26 02:11:00 -
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Youre missing the point.
If youre paying for 4 accounts, there are better things you can do with your time than afk. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 02:17:00 -
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While ur training up those accounts to do "better" things, you can afk plex. I mean your alts need to be trained up anyway right?
You are also forgetting that you can essentially get free accounts by the buddy system. Sure you have to upgrade, but you also get the plex |
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.10.26 02:33:00 -
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Areana Starr wrote:While ur training up those accounts to do "better" things, you can afk plex. I mean your alts need to be trained up anyway right?
You are also forgetting that you can essentially get free accounts by the buddy system. Sure you have to upgrade, but you also get the plex
Some people
Who knew, being Ironic in eve now means actually playing the game and not being afk. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 02:49:00 -
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Lol what does that have anything to do with my original post. I just posted that FW still has a lot of farming potential and that's it. I didn't even say if I'm doing it, or enjoy doing it, etc. I think the system needs to be changed because its having the opposite of the intended effect. The opposite militias have no incentive to be in the same system.
The defense plexers have most incentive to be their own most vulnerable territory and the opposing militia has no
Incentive to be there since they won't get LP.
The offensive plexers have most incentive to be in opposing militia territory with lowest vulnerability while the opposing militia has no incentive to be there.
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Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.10.26 03:09:00 -
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Farmers will farm. No matter what CCP does, people will look for ways to game the system.
I can only say, yeah, sure if someone wants to run 4 alts doing plexes.. well... have fun I guess. Some of us are looking at the new system and already having fights and enjoying the pew. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 05:32:00 -
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No need to run 4 afk plexing alts.
If semi afk isk is your goal - play the markets. You can earn more there afk than doing anything else in eve if you play smart.
A few mil can turn into a few bil in a very short time if you work on high turnover items. Only deal in high margin/slow moving items once already filthy rich.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
The Forsworn Protectorate
Imperial Protectorate
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Posted - 2012.10.26 05:57:00 -
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HAHAHAHAHA.
Try that again in two weeks.
After two weeks you will have to search for defensive plexing after Metro and Caldari space is gone.
Bye bye plexing plague! I have lived to see that **** end.
I know that the amount of plexing is still massive. But only for the next 2 or 3 weeks.
After that you should better start play the game instead of stupid orbit button.
Actually this is the best patch from CCP I have ever seen. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.10.26 08:28:00 -
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I hope it is not possible! |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2012.10.26 08:50:00 -
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A lot can still be done to fix and improve but the changes seem forking fine so far, a lots of orbital faggots are already gone and I think many will in the next weeks
Edit. Also the militia channel seems slightly improving, no more 24/7 "hey why you leeching my plex?" and "guys when is the next T5 push"? |
Gunship
Forced Penetration
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:53:00 -
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I really hate all this isk for AFK warfare
I joined this to PvP but as I get 50 LP for being part of a frig kill and 10000 LP for 10 minutes in a plex I guess I got this game wrong again 
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Major Killz
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:59:00 -
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Well, apparently most players already figured out how to abuse these new mechanics but it still required to much for one entity. Unless you're defending and the other milltia is actively trying to take systems. That would mean these new mechanics would favor the Gallente milltia over the Caldari milltia for example. (I may be wrong)
Once one milltia stops attacking the other, then the whole process is meaningless unless a alt corp is put into the other millitia to do the offensive work. This all requires work or a deal being made between 2 entities. ( I may be wrong)
One gallente corp and one caldari corp agree to live in the same constellations as each other. No one intereferes with the other (NAP) in those 8 systems. Each entity holds 4 systems and push them back and forth. Outside of those 8 systems they pew each other etc. Sh!t like that.
Or! This could be a deal between both milltias and expanded over the whole war zone and divide systems equally etc. No flipping systems (structure nap), everything stays the same and both sides make isk and pew.
[SMUG]-áSORRY for party rocking! v0v
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:48:00 -
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Passive Targeters ftw. |
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