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Kimaya
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Posted - 2005.03.31 11:57:00 -
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During this downtime i've gotten bored so I was wondering everyone's opinion on this subject.
For the last 2-3 week's I have been collecting loot from people who have unfortunately been killed in yulai in around that region. Now I consider it a job and I do it like 10-12 hours a day because I have nothing better to do. And besides a couple people who want to declare war on me or just suicide kill me I really haven't heard to much grief about it but I know it's frowned upon.
I personally think that once you are blown up w/e was equipped to your ship and was in your cargo become's public property. Even though you owned it at one time you were destroyed meaning it is now floating in space. So why shouldn't people be able to pick it up? I dunno i'm just bored and wanted to see how quickly this turn's into a flame-fest. Btw if you be nice to me I normally don't steal your stuff and i'll provide intel for you lol. See you in Yulai   
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Skogen Gump
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:00:00 -
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IMHO, If you decide to war in a 1.0 system - then you run the risk of loosing your stuff.
If you don't want the Yulai looters to come out , don't fight there ...
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NeverL
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:01:00 -
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Well i dont like loot thieves atleast.
Was in an exact situation myself a while ago in yulai.
We killed a heavy ass ship and some guy in a kestrel came and picked up all the loot while we were fighting off others and approached the can.
No point on declearing a war on some corp that only has like 4 members.
anyway, loot stealing is low and everyone knows that.com
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NeverL
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Skogen Gump
If you don't want the Yulai looters to come out , don't fight there ...
yulai is a system like no other imo, its like rome, all roads lead to rome, or something.
easyest way to find enemies.
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:02:00 -
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Prefectly valid mode of gameplay imo.
Don't fit something to your ship if you don't want to risk losing it.
I think your profession is referred to as "salvaging", nothing wrong with it.
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Kimaya
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:03:00 -
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I just don't understand why you consider it low? It's in a cargo can and you were blown up...public property. I've flown down into .4 or lower to do what I do knowing the full risk that i could be killed. I consider low sitting 160km from a stargate and just shooting random people for the hell of it.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:03:00 -
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Strating a thread with the intention of starting a flame war is a bad idea.
In my opinion taking stuff from other people's loot cans when you weren't involved in the fight is to act like a vulture.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:05:00 -
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'S perfectly fine
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Kimaya
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:05:00 -
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I didn't want this to turn into a flame-war, i'm just assuming ahead of time that i'm sure instead of it being a decent debate i'll just get the usual stfu i'm gonna kill you, your ........ *insert insult and threat*
Organized Chaos...who doesn't love an oxymoron |
Skogen Gump
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:05:00 -
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Not that it's gonna matter when they nerf the highways ...
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Reash
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:09:00 -
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Depends, imo if its been left there i dont have a problem with it, but when a ship is under attack if you fly right next to it causing them problems when trying to move simply to take the loot before the victors of the fight even get a chance to look at it its kinda lame as its impossible for the people who killed the guy to do anything to stop you.
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Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Yeux Gris on 31/03/2005 12:17:18
After Shiva came out if u looted some poor sods can u got a criminal flag put apon u. if u was within range of the sentry guns OHOH!
They have removed that system I dont know why!
It was good, all u had to be was in the same corp or in a gang with that person to avoid a case of concord 
PS...
Also in my books makes u a loot thief!
Who let the cows out?! mOo. mOo. mOo.. mOo mOo...!
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Reash
Depends, imo if its been left there i dont have a problem with it, but when a ship is under attack if you fly right next to it causing them problems when trying to move simply to take the loot before the victors of the fight even get a chance to look at it its kinda lame as its impossible for the people who killed the guy to do anything to stop you.
Yeah, losing the loot cause someone else got to it first is disappointing and annoying, but perfectly legitimate. Dying because the vultures were crowding in so close it stopped you moving or warping is just lame, and wrong. Doing that puts you beyond mear "salvager", as you are having a direct influence on the outcome of the battle, and thus helping to create your own salvage.
So, if you see my loot hanging around, feel free to salvage it. Just please have the decency to keep a sensible distance from me until I'm actually dead!
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:20:00 -
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Can robbing is low, simple as that.
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Kimaya
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:22:00 -
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I've only bumped into ships a few times but i normally stay a distance away till I know there going down. I try not to physically interfere with the fight making it unfair. But if for some reason I highly dislike the person under attack I might bump them...but the new patch should solve the bumping problem.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:30:00 -
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Might get you some grief, but fair enough I guess.
I might be a bit irritated if you bagged loot from something I'd killed, but not particularly.
What ship do you use? A probe with mwd + expanders would seem the logical choice 550m3+ & Nippy.
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:35:00 -
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I think I remind of you btw, you already theft my loots if I'm right... so I  you!
Seriously, that's a great job ^^ Surely a better way to earn money and to use your time than crappy missions for solo agents...
"loots become public property" !? I take you don't say this seriously - you're a thief, or at least an opportunist, but that's not a worse job than any other... and under Concord's protection :/
anyway, great idea, and plz stay away from me
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:35:00 -
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Get a life.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:39:00 -
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I guess it's part of the risk of fighting in a busy area such as the core systems.
Easier to find targets yes, but you're more likely to have your loot scooped if you die.
Taking the loot itself I wouldn't consider low as it's basically debris and free for any who can get it, however interfereing with the ships when they fight is (it's like the time when people would get alts in shuttles to orbit their ships to trigger concord or sentry guns when peeps used missiles).
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:42:00 -
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Who hasn't done it, or thought about it atleast
Valid as anything else imho, people have stolen my loot, iv'e ermmm stolen somebody elses
Player stuff though right, i wouldn't dream of stealing npc cans
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Nestor II
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:44:00 -
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I try to not loot someone elses cans, but when no one is around, i take all that i can get.
As for my ship, I use an Exequror.
Fitted with 3 Nanofibers in the low slots.
A MWD, Medium Shield Booster, Multispectral Shield thingie and a 10MN mwd for the mid slots.
High slots have a Heavy Pulse Laser and Focused Medium Pulse fitted Radio crystals for defense.
I can hold 780m3
Go 460ish m/s with AB
and over 1400 with an MWD
Tis a damn good ship to loot with.
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:44:00 -
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Basically, I disagree with hanging around someone's mission spawn and looting their cans, that's lame as hell, as is looting from any other npc can that's dropped. If it's part of a mission, it should be left to the missionrunner to collect it, unless he offers it to someone else, because it's randomly spawned loot designed as a reward for the person who killed the NPC.
Player cans are a different matter. Be it jettisoned ore, or the remains of a dsetroyed ship, once that can is no longer in the safe confines of a cargo hold, it's fair game IMO. As long as you've in no way interfered with the fight that took place.
If people want to go around picking up cans full of modules after a battle, it's their choice.
Don't fit anything to your ship that you're not prepared to lose. Hence the reason i NEVER fit any of this fancy named stuff, like arblast/limos launchers etc to my ships.
If you fit it to your ship, be prepared for the possibility that you may lose it, or someone else may pick it up when you explode. Simple as that.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.31 12:47:00 -
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Little low, but war has always had lootters.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.03.31 13:30:00 -
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It might be valid to loot people's stuff, sure. I hold on to the idea that the spoils of war should go to the victor. It kinda ties in with those crazy notions of honour, integrity, and respect, but those are difficult concepts for some people to manage.
So yeah, go ahead and scurry around the battlefield looting while the war rages around you. It will make you feel special. People will respect and love you for it.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.31 14:18:00 -
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Once my ship is blown, I just get the hell out of there and anyone who wants to salvage the debris is welcome to it.
Normally the victor, but in Empire it can be anyone.
I really don't care - I never fly in/with anything I care about losing.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.31 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yeux Gris
Edited by: Yeux Gris on 31/03/2005 12:17:18
After Shiva came out if u looted some poor sods can u got a criminal flag put apon u. if u was within range of the sentry guns OHOH!
They have removed that system I dont know why!
It was good, all u had to be was in the same corp or in a gang with that person to avoid a case of concord
PS...
Also in my books makes u a loot thief!
Dont lie, that system was a supposed feature but never went live.
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juduzz
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Posted - 2005.03.31 15:58:00 -
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Personaly if i get killed by a war target in yulai ( if i could enter there ). Unless a bug was involved they killed me so that loot is THERES no one else aka spoils of war.
Unless of course a friendly force holds the battlefield afterwards.
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:08:00 -
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I have no problem with salvagers, ore thieves or loot thieves, as long as they are in a corp upon which war can be declared. Its those who hide in NPC corps that I'm not a big fan of, but like I said, if you're in a corp that at least gives people a chance to exact their revenge then game on. 
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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:26:00 -
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Personally I'd rather that some loot thief got it than the B*****Ds who blew me up! I've already lost it, you're not stealing from me, you're stealing from the people who attacked me - and that would cheer me up (a bit).
Tar om
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.03.31 16:27:00 -
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eve must be damn boring for you kimaya..
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