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Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
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Posted - 2012.10.27 01:30:00 -
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As promised, I am starting to post various tournament tricks.
This particular trick has already been "outed", and in fact even "stolen" by Verge of Collapse (kudos on carefully examining our fits), but I don't think everyone was paying attention. Also, there are several variations of the trick, which even people who have seen my Cyclone may find new.
So, gang links - they give you bonuses to useful stuff. If you could, you would bring all the links to the match, but you can only fit so many (they need a lot of PG/CPU), and you can only use so many at the same time (unless you fit Command Processors which need even more fitting resources, and waste valuable midslots). But who said you have to have them all active at all times!? A Hurricane, for example, comfortably fits two warfare links (say, rapid deployment and shield harmonizing), and can switch between them as the fight dictates (first skirmish to quickly get into close range, and then siege to tank incoming damage).
An experiences setup-creator will, at this point, be thinking - but what about the mindlink?! Without the corresponding mindlink, the warfare link's bonuses are much weaker. Well, that's true, and sometimes you have to live with weaker bonuses, which are still better than no bonuses at all, right? But give it a little bit more thought - who said you can only have one mindlink plugged in during the entire fight?! Now we're really getting there! You can put a few mindlinks in your cargo and unplug/plug them in as necessary. This requires some dexterity, but can be mastered with a bit of practice. Of course it will cost you, especially with the prices of mindlinks nowadays, but if it wins you the fight, it's well worth it.
But the rabbit hole goes even deeper.
What if the ship doesn't have enough fitting resources to fit all the links you want? Tough luck, eh? Not necessarily. Recall that you can offline and online modules in space. You fit both (or more??) links, with the one(s) you don't expect to be using immediately, offline. Then, when the time comes to switch, you turn off the active one, turn it offline, and turn the other one online and activate it. Unfortunately, onlining a module in space requires that your ship has 95% of its cap, which makes this trick only useful in 2 main cases: on ships that have a cap booster (or, although riskier, can be fed cap by another ship) and for links you only expect to switch to once, before the fight starts. The latter is particularly and extremely useful in the case of the Sensor Integrity warfare link. All you need to significantly improve your chances against an ECM team is an offline Sensor Integrity link on one of your BCs, and an Information Warfare Mindlink in its cargohold. If you land in the arena and see an ECM team, you have plenty of time and cap to online your +42% sensor strength bonus. Awesome, huh?
P.S. The trick with the mindlink in the cargohold, although obvious in hindsight, was invented not by me, but by Quorthon Seth.
P.P.S. I'm well aware of the irony of losing the last alliance tournament to an ECM team after having come up with this trick. |
Rengas
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.10.27 01:52:00 -
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Confirming we used Faffy's EFT Services to win ATX... |
Gods Messenger
BLOOM. Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.10.27 01:55:00 -
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Alternative Subject Lines to this Thread:
"Link exploits revealed" "How the goverment tricks you into Warfare Links" "Area 51 and Warfare Links - Are the Links out there?"
I recommend wearing a tinfoil hat after reading this post. |
Gnaw LF
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.10.27 02:00:00 -
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There you go, I was wondering when Faffy's "Whining 5", "Apologist 5" and "Sandy Vagina 5" were getting activated. |
Noobjuice
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.10.27 02:17:00 -
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I don't post very often. But you should be aware you are embarassing your alliance with your posting. Bring your best in the next tournament and keep your excuses and accusations to yourself. |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
72
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Posted - 2012.10.27 02:40:00 -
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Wow, you know you are talking to a full-on r****d when you compliment them and they jump at your throat. The mind boggles. |
X ATM092
The Hatchery Team Liquid
28
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Posted - 2012.10.27 13:06:00 -
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My random in game skirmish linking loki has an offline harmonizer on it which I online in place of sig radius from time to time. Are you really claiming to have invented leaving modules offline when you run out of fitting? |
Seldarine
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
22
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Posted - 2012.10.27 13:18:00 -
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I heard a rumour that faffywaffy was encouraged to make these threads after realising that Apple had tried to patent a rectangle with rounded corners.
However I am really looking forward to his next wikileak of secret tricks. Maybe the next one is about having different types of ammo in your cargo and actually being able to change how your guns perform by switching it out during a match. |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
72
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Posted - 2012.10.27 13:44:00 -
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Obviously I'm not the first to ever have offline modules on TQ, but as far as I know I was the first to use them like that in a tournament setting. Probably some of the better team-captains know this trick, but I'm sure many others did not. |
Rengas
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.10.27 14:31:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:Wow, you know you are talking to a full-on r****d when you compliment them and they jump at your throat. The mind boggles.
Our apologies.
Usually when you accuse someone of stealing, they perceive it as an insult.
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Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
72
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Posted - 2012.10.27 14:44:00 -
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Rengas wrote:Faffywaffy wrote:Wow, you know you are talking to a full-on r****d when you compliment them and they jump at your throat. The mind boggles. Our apologies. Usually when you accuse someone of stealing, they perceive it as an insult.
Need to brush up on your reading comprehension (or more likely lose your entirely self-inflicted belief that I am somehow deeply upset and hurt about losing a match to you) . It was in double quotes, and clearly explained that you did it by looking at the fit of my lost cyclone, which is perfectly legitimate. An unbiased reading should have not made you think I was insulting you. |
Royal Jedi
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
75
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Posted - 2012.10.27 14:49:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:clearly explained that you did it by looking at the fit of my lost cyclone, which is perfectly legitimate. An unbiased reading should have not made you think I was insulting you.
This is very VERY presumptuous of you... |
SpeedY G0nZaleZ
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.10.27 14:56:00 -
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While I don't understand why FaffyWaffy is publishing these "tricks-of-the-trade" I equally don't understand why people are fighting about it.
It seems to me for a team like Darkside. which usually wins through control they should incorporate the tricks into their arsenal and try to keep the tricks quiet for the small edge that it gives them.
And of course he could just be pimping out his theorycrafting services. Who knows. |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
72
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Posted - 2012.10.27 14:58:00 -
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Royal Jedi wrote:Faffywaffy wrote:clearly explained that you did it by looking at the fit of my lost cyclone, which is perfectly legitimate. An unbiased reading should have not made you think I was insulting you. This is very VERY presumptuous of you...
Whether what I wrote is true or not, I was not accusing you of anything unbecoming, so your response was completely unwarranted. |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
72
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Posted - 2012.10.27 15:06:00 -
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SpeedY G0nZaleZ wrote:While I don't understand why FaffyWaffy is publishing these "tricks-of-the-trade" I equally don't understand why people are fighting about it.
VoC jump at my every post, seemingly because they think I hate them, or have some grudge towards them. I'm not sure what it is, but they invented it out of thin air.
Other team captains who already knew this trick understandably don't want everyone to know it.
SpeedY G0nZaleZ wrote:And of course he could just be pimping out his theorycrafting services. Who knows. Mostly that, and maybe the satisfaction if someone actually uses these tricks. |
Fatyn
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.10.27 16:01:00 -
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I like Faffy's post - he's explained some useful info for anybody doing the tournament for the first time.
It is a quite funny to mention us "stealing" his trick - I guess a bit of egomania is not a crime - but he is right of course in saying that we looked at Darkside's fits carefully after our prelim match. If you don't do that you're making the mistake of thinking your fits are always best. |
SpeedY G0nZaleZ
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.10.27 16:38:00 -
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Listen I was trying to be nice but TEST was using offline links way before either of you.
You can both suck a bag of dicks.
:P |
Seldarine
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2012.10.27 16:52:00 -
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Offline gang links were first discussed at the bob bbq |
Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.28 11:30:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:Obviously I'm not the first to ever have offline modules on TQ, but as far as I know I was the first to use them like that in a tournament setting. Probably some of the better team-captains know this trick, but I'm sure many others did not. Hahahaha. No. |
Alekto Descendant
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.28 18:10:00 -
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SPOILER
NEXT WEEK, FAFFY IS GOING TO REVEAL THE SECRET ABOUT BRINGING MULTIPLE TYPES OF AMMO IN YOUR CARGO HOLD. |
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Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
72
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Posted - 2012.10.28 18:27:00 -
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Please link evidence of this being used before the last AT. I'm really curious. |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:55:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:Please link evidence of this being used before the last AT. I'm really curious.
It's a pretty good tip and you probably discovered it independently but it doesn't mean the idea was first discovered by you and it doesn't mean that anyone else who uses it copied it. We used this in AT9 and I wouldn't be surprised if it was used before that.
A variation of this idea is to put links on more than just 3 ships if you happen to have 4+ bc/cs in a setup and move squad positions based on what you are facing just before the cd. Moving squad positions during a match is important too as your squad leader getting taken out will remove wing and fleet bonuses for everyone.
Anyway you'd probably get a more receptive response to your posts if you didn't claim ownership of ideas. Ironically, if you hadn't made it an issue by saying it was your idea you probably would've been given credit for it anyway since you're the first to discuss it publicly. hth https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717 |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:20:00 -
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Well this wasnt invented by you i'll let you know.
In ATX i was firing in my merlin so much that my one gun turned off. It was obviously doing that so i could online my ASB and tank like a boss... |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
72
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:00:00 -
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Duncan Tanner wrote:Faffywaffy wrote:Please link evidence of this being used before the last AT. I'm really curious. It's a pretty good tip and you probably discovered it independently but it doesn't mean the idea was first discovered by you and it doesn't mean that anyone else who uses it copied it. We used this in AT9 and I wouldn't be surprised if it was used before that. A variation of this idea is to put links on more than just 3 ships if you happen to have 4+ bc/cs in a setup and move squad positions based on what you are facing just before the cd. Moving squad positions during a match is important too as your squad leader getting taken out will remove wing and fleet bonuses for everyone. Anyway you'd probably get a more receptive response to your posts if you didn't claim ownership of ideas. Ironically, if you hadn't made it an issue by saying it was your idea you probably would've been given credit for it anyway since you're the first to discuss it publicly. hth
I never claimed any ownership (I don't think you can patent eve fits ). I did say I invented it (which I did), and that my team was the first to use it in ATX as far as I know (actually some of it was invented for AT9, but didn't end up being used). People here really like to put words in my mouth; maybe it's the written form, where no nonverbal cues are available that makes people think I implied things I didn't.
I would easily believe you knew and maybe used this trick before we did, but VoC more likely did "borrow" it from us (hopefully the won't take offence at "borrowing"), as it's too much of a coincidence that they used it right after my cyclone loss.
Also, this is just the first trick - there will be more. I picked to discuss this one first because it was already visible if you looked closely enough (my and VoC loss-mails).
Yes, having more than 3 link ships is another good trick, but somewhat more obvious, I think. |
Rengas
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:37:00 -
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Fatyn wrote:We had offline links pretty early in testing so It is quite funny to mention us "stealing" his trick - I guess a bit of egomania is not a crime -
Duncan Tanner wrote:It's a pretty good tip and you probably discovered it independently but it doesn't mean the idea was first discovered by you and it doesn't mean that anyone else who uses it copied it.
Lucas Quaan wrote:Hahahaha. No.
Interesting opsec on your invention which seems to have been used by Hydra, PL, TEST and ourselves way before your cyclone loss.
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HandofSatan
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
3
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:19:00 -
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Confirming VoC has very skilled pilots, quite a few have been pvping VERY WELL before you or me have even started playing eveonline. Most of VoC has played this game strictly for pvp for many years and given the number of highly ranked pilots in it and corp histories you should not assume we had to "borrow" anything from anyone. This was our first tournament, hell we haven't even been in this alliance a year yet so there isn't any real tournament history to base your assumptions on since we fought you so early in ATX.
I know you are not trying to offend anyone faffy but just from our history of flying together lots of times you can come across as if you are attacking someone when you are only trying to provide constructive criticism and feedback. |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
72
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:49:00 -
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Ok, let's just say that I find the coincidence curious, but don't deny that it could be just that.
Anyway, since there are no prizes awarded for being the first to invent anything in Eve, and since, as I have already said, my only claim is to have come up with this trick intependently, I suggest we drop this topic, and maybe discuss the trick itself, if there is anything to discuss.
P.S. HandofSatan, it saddens me to see you and other people who I have respect for in an alliance with a bunch of uncreative forum trolls who have been hounding every post I made here. |
ROSSLINDEN0
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.10.29 20:28:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote: P.S. HandofSatan, it saddens me to see you and other people who I have respect for in an alliance with a bunch of uncreative forum trolls who have been hounding every post I made here.
It's because every time you post we catch the scent of a bittch and it just draws in all the hard dicked dogs aka VOC to your thread, but seriously just sit back and look at your posting history on these forums and try and understand why people dislike you. |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
72
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Posted - 2012.10.29 21:45:00 -
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ROSSLINDEN0 wrote:seriously just sit back and look at your posting history on these forums and try and understand why people dislike you.
Don't project your own made-up, distorted view of the world on others.
My guess the reason why you dislike me is your poor reading comprehension, which you've demonstrated on several occasions. I believe it started when I complained that our scimi pilot had all shield transporters offlined when he was moved to the tournament system and a bunch of VoC guys told me it was my own fault for not pre-checking everything.
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Gnaw LF
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.10.29 22:04:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:ROSSLINDEN0 wrote:seriously just sit back and look at your posting history on these forums and try and understand why people dislike you. Don't project your own made-up, distorted view of the world on others. My guess the reason why you dislike me is your poor reading comprehension, which you've demonstrated on several occasions. I believe it started when I complained that our scimi pilot had all shield transporters offlined when he was moved to the tournament system and a bunch of VoC guys told me it was my own fault for not pre-checking everything.
Don't mind the naysayers Waffy, there are kindred spirits out there who know how great you truly are. Who can see your amazing potential, they know the entire EvE universe is out to get you, to bring you down when they should worship you. One day you will show them, you will show them all how right you were with your "ideas", your complaints and "suggestions". They will know the pain of having wronged you, they will know suffering for doubting you. Its coming Faffy, the day of reckoning is coming. |
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