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Stillet0 Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.10.28 15:19:00 - [1] - Quote Back to eve after long break. Thought I blow some of my billions of faction mission toys. I used to dabble with agent missions back in 2005-6 with my raven before I discovered pvp and not done any since then. So thought I would build a faction CN raven and was surprised at the difference it had over the regular Raven. Big difference. So I thought I would try the Mach in Minnie space and it made the CN Raven look like a noob ship. The Mach is awesome. So I thought I would try a Nightmare our in Amaar space and I am disappoint. Ok most of my skills are near Lvl 5 for everything being an 04 char, but I find that though EFT stats look ok, in practice, my guns miss a lot or my tank sucks. Ok I admit I ran into gurista and Eom rats, and maybe sansha and mordu would be better but am I doing something wrong with this setup [Nightmare, Tachs pve fix] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Damage Control II Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy EM Ward Field Kinetic Deflection Field II Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Small Tractor Beam II [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Acolyte II x5 Infiltrator II x5 And I hate 800 cap booster, they take too much space. Multifrequncy has crap range probably accounting for the misses.
Stillet0 Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.10.28 15:24:00 - [2] - Quote I am thinking, since the mach uses 800mm, maybe i should use pulse on the Nightmare? Is there a cap stable setup for the nightmare with real world dps (not eft)
MastaKari Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.10.28 17:43:00 - [3] - Quote you don't want a cap stable nghtmare, fitting a cap booster, like you have done, is the way to go. you don't need much of a cargo bay. missions where you do, you can drop enough charges to create room without having to worry. running with a couple of tracking computers in the meds helps, 1 for optimal, 1 for tracking speed. - i'd lose the afterburner and invuln field for these. also lose the damage control for a tracking enhancer. big part of the Nm's tank is it's gank. suppose you could try the invul field with a tracnknig computer loaded witha tracking speed script. i'd also use a couple of large semiconductor memory cells for rigs plus an EM defencive one to help plug the EM hole. ditch the amarr drones and use hobs/hammers, they're the best all round for missions. The nightmare isn't great against Gurista, they're best to use in amarr space. The range you want to engage is round 40km/ fall off of 80km. you'll be able to 1 shot frigs. when they get close though, theres no point shooting them you'll have to use drones. cruisers can be the same, but very rare. i've no experiance with pulses, only tachs. hope this helps.
Stillet0 Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.10.28 17:54:00 - [4] - Quote hmm, like the "lose the afterburner" not used it in amaar missions like the tracking scrip yeah the acolytes suck and found i do not need medium drones so will do full rack of hobs dropping the DC is a bit more scary, so will change a little at a time thanks
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 732	Posted - 2012.10.28 20:36:00 - [5] - Quote the reason you are missing is cos you have no tracking mods at all. you should have 3 tracking comps and a tracking enhancer. this is the nightmare fit i generally recommend: Quote: [Nightmare, Missions] Tracking Enhancer II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Auto Targeting System II Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Small Tractor Beam II Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Hammerhead II x5 note that you should only be doing missions vs sansha or blood raiders in a nightmare, hence the em/therm rigs. cap stable mission fits are for scrubs, chuck that cap booster on there. it's not like the boosters cost anything. this ship does 1240dps with implants, your tank is in the high slots.
Stillet0 Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.10.28 21:43:00 - [6] - Quote Ok, the tracking computer made a MASSIVE difference. It allowed the NightmareGÇÖs fabled dps to actually hit something. Also by changing to tracking scripts, I could go short range and or fallout script for long range. So yes, finally, I can one shot frigs, cruisers and sentry guns. This means less gun use , which in turn meant less cap use and damage taken. Consequently, the shield boost amplifier is hardly working, so I removed it instead of the afterburner. The nightmare without afterburner is very slow, 118m/s on the rare mission where I have to travel between gates. It can tank without the amp anyway but I suppose either module can be swapped out. Thanks again, forums working as intended EDIT just saw last post after I had written above and it has more tracking. This is probably the difference between a real world fit and a theoretical EFT fit. Will have a fiddle with your fit too. Had trouble hitting cruisers at very short < 4000m range Thanks guys
Cage Man Evil Guinea Pigs 15	Posted - 2012.10.28 22:38:00 - [7] - Quote You don't need 3 TC's, remember the NM gets a tracking bonus. My fit is similar to the above except I have a sensor booster instead of the 3rd TC's. Helps to target and pop them before they get too close. Not sure if you using Gleam, but I find it works better than navy multi for hitting ships closer than 20km. If I could have selectable damage, I would use my NM instead of my mach in all missions Love it...
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 733	Posted - 2012.10.29 00:13:00 - [8] - Quote yeah you can get away with just 2 TCs, also lets you make the fit a lot cheaper by fitting 2x T2 invulns and a cheaper booster/amp.
Byron Squared FCI Solvents 2	Posted - 2012.10.29 03:14:00 - [9] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: the reason you are missing is cos you have no tracking mods at all. you should have 3 tracking comps and a tracking enhancer. this is the nightmare fit i generally recommend: Quote: [Nightmare, Missions] Tracking Enhancer II Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Gist B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field Auto Targeting System II Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Small Tractor Beam II Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Hammerhead II x5 note that you should only be doing missions vs sansha or blood raiders in a nightmare, hence the em/therm rigs. cap stable mission fits are for scrubs, chuck that cap booster on there. it's not like the boosters cost anything. this ship does 1240dps with implants, your tank is in the high slots. I like this fit. However, a couple of comments. You can get away with one less tracking comp as stated elsewhere. The faction TC are expensive but at least one (the second and third matter less because of staacking nerf) should be faction. The empty high for ATS is great - more targets, never activate the thing..... The CN INV can be switched out to a Pith C type for not much more money and significantly better resists.....
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 406	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:02:00 - [10] - Quote officer tracking enhancer imo. no seriously, 3 TCs are a little over the top. i prefer a high end MWD on there for warp gate travel but a sensor booster is also a fine alternative. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Paikis Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking 233	Posted - 2012.10.29 04:09:00 - [11] - Quote Put enough resist mods (I use 4 deadspace in mids) on and you don't need the boosters. I only actually have to use my shield booster in every fourth or so mission. 4 heat sinks, a tracking enhancer and an unscripted tracking computer works just fine for me.
bufnitza calatoare Snap Crackle Pop. Relativity Alliance 11	Posted - 2012.10.30 02:58:00 - [12] - Quote Stillet0 wrote: I am thinking, since the mach uses 800mm, maybe i should use pulse on the Nightmare? Is there a cap stable setup for the nightmare with real world dps (not eft) there is only one cap stable version of the nightmare. but you need two 5% cap implants to help it. it is expensive and will happily do any mission with mission setup tanks. most of the populous will go xl shield boosters. this one relies on less is more. faction guns to use less cap and before anyone says but its not right!!! explain how I made 50+b isk in two years of missioning on and off. with time on your hands you can make a easy 3b a week. if you use this setup look me up in game bud I will point you to the system I used it in and NEVER got ganked once. the Omni tank version was pretty much two invulns + a kinetic and a target painter. [Nightmare, New Setup 1] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Gist A-Type EM Ward Field Gist A-Type EM Ward Field Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Cap Recharger II Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Arcosian EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis 26	Posted - 2012.10.30 16:11:00 - [13] - Quote bufnitza calatoare wrote: Stillet0 wrote: I am thinking, since the mach uses 800mm, maybe i should use pulse on the Nightmare? Is there a cap stable setup for the nightmare with real world dps (not eft) there is only one cap stable version of the nightmare. but you need two 5% cap implants to help it. it is expensive and will happily do any mission with mission setup tanks. most of the populous will go xl shield boosters. this one relies on less is more. faction guns to use less cap and before anyone says but its not right!!! explain how I made 50+b isk in two years of missioning on and off. with time on your hands you can make a easy 3b a week. if you use this setup look me up in game bud I will point you to the system I used it in and NEVER got ganked once. the Omni tank version was pretty much two invulns + a kinetic and a target painter. [Nightmare, New Setup 1] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Gist A-Type EM Ward Field Gist A-Type EM Ward Field Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Cap Recharger II Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I That is way too expensive of a fit for missions. The NM doesn't need cap stability and the only faction stuff you need is heat sinks and a shield booster.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 409	Posted - 2012.10.31 12:49:00 - [14] - Quote bufnitza calatoare wrote: Stillet0 wrote: I am thinking, since the mach uses 800mm, maybe i should use pulse on the Nightmare? Is there a cap stable setup for the nightmare with real world dps (not eft) there is only one cap stable version of the nightmare. but you need two 5% cap implants to help it. it is expensive and will happily do any mission with mission setup tanks. most of the populous will go xl shield boosters. this one relies on less is more. faction guns to use less cap and before anyone says but its not right!!! explain how I made 50+b isk in two years of missioning on and off. with time on your hands you can make a easy 3b a week. if you use this setup look me up in game bud I will point you to the system I used it in and NEVER got ganked once. the Omni tank version was pretty much two invulns + a kinetic and a target painter. [Nightmare, New Setup 1] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Gist A-Type EM Ward Field Gist A-Type EM Ward Field Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Cap Recharger II Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L Imperial Navy Tachyon Beam Laser, Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I which system are you in again? "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
DarkStar78 Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:36:00 - [15] - Quote Here is the setup I use for all my Amarr and Gallente lvl 4 missions. Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Tracking Enhancer II Gist C-Type X-Large Shield booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field of your choosing Mission specific Shield Hardener Mission Specific Shield Hardener Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Cap Booster or Afterburner (I run AB) Imperial Navy Mega Pulse Laser Imperial Navy Mega Pulse Laser Imperial Navy Mega Pulse Laser Imperial Navy Mega Pulse Laser Small Tractor Beam II Drone Link Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Ditch the Tachs as well as any T2 guns, sure the alpha is nice on the tachs and you get to brag about it but T2 guns and especially Tachs are just too power hungry and will put allot of strain on your already weak cap situation. You will also get more real damage out the Mega Pulse Lasers because of the better tracking. Lasers change ammo types in 1 second and you will need that with the pulse lasers. Always have at least 2 sets of 3 different range types. Multifrequency (- 50% range) , Standard (0% Range), and Radio (+ 60% Range). Also need 2 scripts for the tracking computers, 2 Tracking speed and 2 Optimal Range. Load the optimal range scripts for the long range targets and tracking speed scripts for the orbiting cruisers and frigs, yes you can hit 5km orbiting frigs. There is allot of versatility in this setup range wise, you just have to be smart on how to apply it. I like the C-type SB because its more than enough to tank all my missions and itGÇÖs much more forgiving when I accidentally leave it on for longer than I need but the A type is a very nice unit. I would run with a Cap booster until you are comfortable with the setup and then ditch it for an AB. If you are comfortable with how you fly the ship and handle your missions I would ditch the DCU for a tracking enhancer, the more dps you can apply the faster you can get done. Time is money. I can alpha cruisers and sometime BCs in my missions with the pulse lasers. Very rarely does it take more than 3 shots to down one, most of the time its 2 shot per cruiser/BC. Trying to run cap stable for missioning is a waste of time and money if you are not an afk missioner. If you are cap stable then you need to remove some cap modules and fit some damage/tracking modules. I believe my setup expires in 3 or 4 minutes which is more than enough time to get out of any sticky situation I have been in. Rats usually melt before they get within 20km, and I always target the frigates first. Hope this helps! If you have any questions you can always contact me ingame.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 410	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:41:00 - [16] - Quote your fit is bad and you should feel bad. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
DarkStar78 Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:55:00 - [17] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: your fit is bad and you should feel bad. DonGÇÖt knock it before you try it EFT warrior.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 410	Posted - 2012.10.31 16:59:00 - [18] - Quote knock knock, your fit is bad. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
DarkStar78 Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 17:50:00 - [19] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: knock knock, your fit is bad. [sarcasm]IGÇÖm sorry for posting such a bad fit [/sarcasm] What would you suggest I change to make it better?
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 410	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:07:00 - [20] - Quote DarkStar78 wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: knock knock, your fit is bad. [sarcasm]IGÇÖm sorry for posting such a bad fit [/sarcasm] What would you suggest I change to make it better? how about something that can project 700dps to 60km? cause you know, even a raven can do that. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
DarkStar78 Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:36:00 - [21] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: DarkStar78 wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: knock knock, your fit is bad. [sarcasm]IGÇÖm sorry for posting such a bad fit [/sarcasm] What would you suggest I change to make it better? how about something that can project 700dps to 60km? cause you know, even a raven can do that. Most of my missions put me 20 to 40 km from the enemy, sometime on top of them so why would I want that?
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 410	Posted - 2012.10.31 20:16:00 - [22] - Quote ok that's it. i'm done with this guy. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
DarkStar78 Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.31 20:39:00 - [23] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: ok that's it. i'm done with this guy. Lol, troll on.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 737	Posted - 2012.10.31 22:10:00 - [24] - Quote DarkStar78 wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: knock knock, your fit is bad. [sarcasm]IGÇÖm sorry for posting such a bad fit [/sarcasm] What would you suggest I change to make it better? FFS. Faction tachs are acceptable, but faction pulses simply aren't. Swapping to T2 megapulse gives you 54 additional DPS with IN multi and cuts your cap stability with everything but the shield booster from stable to 10 something minutes -- which should be fine, especially considering that your AB is still on that whole time too; both are stable without booster and AB. The two fits are also similar with xray, but who the hell bothers with that. For any crystal with longer range than that -- the fit with T2 guns wins hands down because it can use Scorch -- and you can't. That's 80% of IN multi damage all the way out to 3x the optimal. Not using T2 guns on a fit like this is criminally bad. And that's all assuming you want to use pulses at all. I'd argue that you don't, but at least it's something of a matter of taste and style. Opting for faction pulses, on the other hand, is just wrong.
DarkStar78 Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.11.01 15:10:00 - [25] - Quote Finally someone with helpful information rather than a bad fit troll! I have been putting off training T2 lasers for other things, I guess IGÇÖll have to give it a try. I chew through missions just as fast as a friend with his T2 pulse fit NM so I figured the training wasnGÇÖt worth it. I hope it turns out to be as good as you say. . .
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 411	Posted - 2012.11.01 15:50:00 - [26] - Quote if you not only advise the OP to ditch tachs but also recommend faction pulses, you can't expect to be taken seriously because it is clear as blue sky that you have no idea of what you're talking about. see my signature. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
DarkStar78 Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.11.01 16:23:00 - [27] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: if you not only advise the OP to ditch tachs but also recommend faction pulses, you can't expect to be taken seriously because it is clear as blue sky that you have no idea of what you're talking about. see my signature. Your a one liner troll, next time add some info and you wont be a troll. I recommended faction because of the less capacitor use and very little dps penalty they offer. I fight in the 5 to 30 km range so maybe on some of the rare missions where I need to reach out to 60km ill see a difference. Flying with a friend and his T2 pulse NM I see no real difference in dps. I'm talking from experience not EFT.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 411	Posted - 2012.11.01 16:34:00 - [28] - Quote DarkStar78 wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: if you not only advise the OP to ditch tachs but also recommend faction pulses, you can't expect to be taken seriously because it is clear as blue sky that you have no idea of what you're talking about. see my signature. Your a one liner troll, next time add some info and you wont be a troll. I recommended faction because of the less capacitor use and very little dps penalty they offer. I fight in the 5 to 30 km range so maybe on some of the rare missions where I need to reach out to 60km ill see a difference. Flying with a friend and his T2 pulse NM I see no real difference in dps. I'm talking from experience not EFT. the "rare" lvl4 missions that require 60km range are almost all of them and if you really had any noteworthy experience you would know this. before you object, please take a look over here. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
DarkStar78 Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.11.01 16:58:00 - [29] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: DarkStar78 wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: if you not only advise the OP to ditch tachs but also recommend faction pulses, you can't expect to be taken seriously because it is clear as blue sky that you have no idea of what you're talking about. see my signature. Your a one liner troll, next time add some info and you wont be a troll. I recommended faction because of the less capacitor use and very little dps penalty they offer. I fight in the 5 to 30 km range so maybe on some of the rare missions where I need to reach out to 60km ill see a difference. Flying with a friend and his T2 pulse NM I see no real difference in dps. I'm talking from experience not EFT. the "rare" lvl4 missions that require 60km range are almost all of them and if you really had any noteworthy experience you would know this. before you object, please take a look over here. Like I said, most of my missions are 30km or closer, IGÇÖm not a Dixi dweller perhaps that has something to do with it? How about a list of missions with rats closer than 60km?
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 411	Posted - 2012.11.01 16:59:00 - [30] - Quote that's your homework son. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF

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