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Lachenlaud	Posted - 2005.04.02 20:18:00 - [1] Greetings from the Xetic Federation! The XF would like to announce at this time that we have elected new heads of state. For XF President we have Cordy of Solar Storm Corp. For XF Vice President we have Cyvok of Celestial Horizons Corp. Congratulations on your new roles in the XF Government. On behalf of all of XF I would like to thank these individuals for the tasks they have chosen to dedicate themselves to. Good Luck guys! LONG LIVE THE FEDERATION! [email protected] http://www.goi-eve.com/forums/ Check out the Eve Master Datasheet here!!
Leno	Posted - 2005.04.02 20:21:00 - [2] congrats tho only 1 is really new --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
LoxyRider	Posted - 2005.04.02 20:37:00 - [3] Yay Cordy \o/. ----- Eris Discordia; I think the proper term is <3
Unleashed	Posted - 2005.04.02 20:38:00 - [4] Congrats cordy! Nice to see someone progress so far, in such a seemingly short amount of time ___ >currently training to level 5: sexual tyrannosaurus / Rank 8 /
Julien Derida	Posted - 2005.04.02 20:44:00 - [5] Thats odd, Golden Oak weren't part of XETIC last time I checked... Congrats to those mentioned if it is indeed true, but it seems odd to announce the new leadership of XETIC through a non-XETIC corp. ---------------------------------------- Artistic Director & Chief Diplomat - FRICK
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.04.02 20:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Julien Derida Thats odd, Golden Oak weren't part of XETIC last time I checked... Congrats to those mentioned if it is indeed true, but it seems odd to announce the new leadership of XETIC through a non-XETIC corp. They whimped out on the empire war. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.02 20:56:00 - [7] Some corps don't join alliances to avoid being the targets of multiple wars from ganking / griefer / merc corps. Don't see either of the last two posters corps in alliances either yet they imply the posting corp are wimps . Yet they also lead you to believe they are uber PvP corps - strange you would expect them to enjoy being alliance war targets. Shinra also being xCA who had to disband their entire alliance to avoid empire wars.
Foyle	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:01:00 - [8] They were one of the first corps to leave Xetic in a time of war when FOE declared on them. Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
Viceroy	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:04:00 - [9] Who's the new Xetic pope? I nominate Daakkon. -
Darkrydar	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:16:00 - [10] So, CA disbanded to avoid Empire wars now? I'm sure we feared XF.
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Darkrydar So, CA disbanded to avoid Empire wars now? I'm sure we feared XF. Yes one of the prime reasons - the other being the constant handbag fights between your prime prima-donas.
Seleene	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:28:00 - [12] Quote: 2005.03.17 21:00:00 Body Count Inc. has declared war on XETIC Federation. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those invovled. Quote: 2005.03.18 06:16:00 The war between Golden Oak Industries Inc and Body Count Inc. is coming to an end. Golden Oak Industries Inc has surrendered to Body Count Inc.. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. Your corp is not a member of the XETIC Federation. You haven't been for over two weeks. I find it odd that you have the nerve to post anything to do with the official alliance when you do not stand with your comrades on the battlefield. Should announcements like this not be made by actual members of the Alliance or is this the part where you say you are a part of XETIC... just not really? - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Foyle	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Seleene Quote: 2005.03.17 21:00:00 Body Count Inc. has declared war on XETIC Federation. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those invovled. Quote: 2005.03.18 06:16:00 The war between Golden Oak Industries Inc and Body Count Inc. is coming to an end. Golden Oak Industries Inc has surrendered to Body Count Inc.. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. Your corp is not a member of the XETIC Federation. You haven't been for over two weeks. I find it odd that you have the nerve to post anything to do with the official alliance when you do not stand with your comrades on the battlefield. Should announcements like this not be made by actual members of the Alliance or is this the part where you say you are a part of XETIC... just not really? OWNED! Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Seleene Quote: 2005.03.17 21:00:00 Body Count Inc. has declared war on XETIC Federation. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those invovled. Quote: 2005.03.18 06:16:00 The war between Golden Oak Industries Inc and Body Count Inc. is coming to an end. Golden Oak Industries Inc has surrendered to Body Count Inc.. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. Your corp is not a member of the XETIC Federation. You haven't been for over two weeks. I find it odd that you have the nerve to post anything to do with the official alliance when you do not stand with your comrades on the battlefield. Should announcements like this not be made by actual members of the Alliance or is this the part where you say you are a part of XETIC... just not really? Form your own alliance and cut the preaching cr@p.
Leosian	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Kleptress Originally by: Seleene Quote: 2005.03.17 21:00:00 Body Count Inc. has declared war on XETIC Federation. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those invovled. Quote: 2005.03.18 06:16:00 The war between Golden Oak Industries Inc and Body Count Inc. is coming to an end. Golden Oak Industries Inc has surrendered to Body Count Inc.. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. Your corp is not a member of the XETIC Federation. You haven't been for over two weeks. I find it odd that you have the nerve to post anything to do with the official alliance when you do not stand with your comrades on the battlefield. Should announcements like this not be made by actual members of the Alliance or is this the part where you say you are a part of XETIC... just not really? Form your own alliance and cut the preaching cr@p. Quit your preaching, rejoin Xetic and show how well you fight. If you can't do that you are no better than an alt posting which you probably are. Let the slaughter of empire begin...
Foyle	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Kleptress Originally by: Seleene Quote: 2005.03.17 21:00:00 Body Count Inc. has declared war on XETIC Federation. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those invovled. Quote: 2005.03.18 06:16:00 The war between Golden Oak Industries Inc and Body Count Inc. is coming to an end. Golden Oak Industries Inc has surrendered to Body Count Inc.. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. Your corp is not a member of the XETIC Federation. You haven't been for over two weeks. I find it odd that you have the nerve to post anything to do with the official alliance when you do not stand with your comrades on the battlefield. Should announcements like this not be made by actual members of the Alliance or is this the part where you say you are a part of XETIC... just not really? Form your own alliance and cut the preaching cr@p. Do yo think making them an alliance makes them less effective? NO cause they stick together in a time of war. Where as Xetic runs behind the nearest veldspar rock. Point is,, why is a corp that left in war time, announcing "alliance press releases" when they are NOT in the alliance and ran for veldspar cover when war hit? Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:40:00 - [17] Ah MC are bored - running out of newbs to gank? Head to 0.0 your might find something a bit more of challenge.
Seleene	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Kleptress Ah MC are bored - running out of newbs to gank? Head to 0.0 your might find something a bit more of challenge. Go back to your safe spot, pathetic alt. I want an answer to this from the original poster. You are not a member of XETIC. Why are you posting this information about an organization you are not a part of and, in fact, left in it's time of greatest need? - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:50:00 - [19] Edited by: Kleptress on 02/04/2005 21:51:51 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Kleptress Ah MC are bored - running out of newbs to gank? Head to 0.0 your might find something a bit more of challenge. Go back to your safe spot, pathetic alt. I want an answer to this from the original poster. You are not a member of XETIC. Why are you posting this information about an organization you are not a part of and, in fact, left in it's time of greatest need? Get back to your interceptor blob gate camp pathetic forum tart. Besides there's no safespots in WoW PvP
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:58:00 - [20] Way to get a thread hijacked. Seleene should know better than to rise to the bait and Foyle should mind his/her/its own business. Kleptress should STFU, too. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
LoxyRider	Posted - 2005.04.02 21:59:00 - [21] Frankly unless its a congrats **** off out of this thread. ----- Eris Discordia; I think the proper term is <3
Julien Derida	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:00:00 - [22] Blimey, it doesn't take much to get the alts all riled up these days! I was merely asking why an official XETIC announcement was coming from an non-XETIC corp. No flame intended. You don't have to answer if you don't want to ;) ---------------------------------------- Artistic Director & Chief Diplomat - FRICK
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Seleene Quote: 2005.03.17 21:00:00 Body Count Inc. has declared war on XETIC Federation. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those invovled. Quote: 2005.03.18 06:16:00 The war between Golden Oak Industries Inc and Body Count Inc. is coming to an end. Golden Oak Industries Inc has surrendered to Body Count Inc.. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. Your corp is not a member of the XETIC Federation. You haven't been for over two weeks. I find it odd that you have the nerve to post anything to do with the official alliance when you do not stand with your comrades on the battlefield. Should announcements like this not be made by actual members of the Alliance or is this the part where you say you are a part of XETIC... just not really? Selene it's realy none of yours or anyone elses business. If Xetic doesn't have a problem with it we're not bloody likely ask the permission of some mercs. You want a say in how xetic does things then join up. Otherwise nothing you say about how we govern ourselves has any meaning.
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Kleptress Some corps don't join alliances to avoid being the targets of multiple wars from ganking / griefer / merc corps. Don't see either of the last two posters corps in alliances either yet they imply the posting corp are wimps . Yet they also lead you to believe they are uber PvP corps - strange you would expect them to enjoy being alliance war targets. Shinra also being xCA who had to disband their entire alliance to avoid empire wars. alts suck, the reason why they arent in alliances because their corps are strong enough to stand alone. People that leave because of war but still stay in the alliance unofficially are ghey. Griefer is a term given to pvpers by a person that dies when he doesnt want to. Carebear is a term given to people that whine and smack when they die, and stay in safe places almost all the time. My vids and random stuff
Foyle	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Way to get a thread hijacked. Seleene should know better than to rise to the bait and Foyle should mind his/her/its own business. Kleptress should STFU, too. HA looks who is throwing vomit from the mouth Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:05:00 - [26] I doubt the results of the battles/wars in this confrontation with MC will be changed in the slightest with/without the addition/removal of Golden Oak from the Alliance. In fact, it removes a little bit of isk from your terribly harsh declaration fees so, chin up, MC, think of the extra cookies you can buy! I have no problem at all with corporations leaving XF during the time of war if they do not have the means within themselves to make any other effort to the cause than being just another red dot in the overview. Golden Oak are part of the alliance, just not "ingame". Is that so hard to understand? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Foyle Where as Xetic runs behind the nearest veldspar rock. Have you ever actually undocked in this game Foyle? It does have space ships you know, that you can actually fly. I know you must feel very safe shooting your mouth off all the time inside that station especially with all the people that wan't to pod you back to the dark ages.
Foyle	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:14:00 - [28] Edited by: Foyle on 02/04/2005 22:14:43 Originally by: Kleptress Originally by: Foyle Where as Xetic runs behind the nearest veldspar rock. Have you ever actually undocked in this game Foyle? It does have space ships you know, that you can actually fly. I know you must feel very safe shooting your mouth off all the time inside that station especially with all the people that wan't to pod you back to the dark ages. Stupid question,, but given the source,, it was expected Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:16:00 - [29] Edited by: Kleptress on 02/04/2005 22:16:40 Originally by: Foyle Edited by: Foyle on 02/04/2005 22:14:43 Originally by: Kleptress Originally by: Foyle Where as Xetic runs behind the nearest veldspar rock. Have you ever actually undocked in this game Foyle? It does have space ships you know, that you can actually fly. I know you must feel very safe shooting your mouth off all the time inside that station especially with all the people that wan't to pod you back to the dark ages. Stupid question,, but given the source,, it was expected But have you undocked yet? No of course of not - rhetorical question
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Kleptress Edited by: Kleptress on 02/04/2005 22:16:40 Originally by: Foyle Edited by: Foyle on 02/04/2005 22:14:43 Originally by: Kleptress Originally by: Foyle Where as Xetic runs behind the nearest veldspar rock. Have you ever actually undocked in this game Foyle? It does have space ships you know, that you can actually fly. I know you must feel very safe shooting your mouth off all the time inside that station especially with all the people that wan't to pod you back to the dark ages. Stupid question,, but given the source,, it was expected But have you undocked yet? No of course of not - rhetorical question Tsk tsk naughty alt not doing your homework, Foyle hauled my veld for me for like 4 hours earlier. stfu? thanks. Anyway congrats to that xetic guy \o/ ------------------------------------------
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:40:00 - [31] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 02/04/2005 22:41:04 Originally by: Kleptress Edited by: Kleptress on 02/04/2005 22:16:40 Originally by: Foyle Edited by: Foyle on 02/04/2005 22:14:43 Originally by: Kleptress Originally by: Foyle Where as Xetic runs behind the nearest veldspar rock. Have you ever actually undocked in this game Foyle? It does have space ships you know, that you can actually fly. I know you must feel very safe shooting your mouth off all the time inside that station especially with all the people that wan't to pod you back to the dark ages. Stupid question,, but given the source,, it was expected But have you undocked yet? No of course of not - rhetorical question omg so old and still as lame as it was when it was first used. something really needs to be done about ***** alts posting bull all the ***** time i put a few naughty words in there because i like seeing the stars. My vids and random stuff
Lachenlaud	Posted - 2005.04.02 22:58:00 - [32] I assure you that GOI _is_ still a functioning part of XF. Whether or not we utilize the In-Game Alliance system is no one's concern but our own. There isn't a single "so called alliance" in this game that has ALL of it's factions and/or corporations using the CCP Alliance system. Each has their own reasons for when and why. XF is comprised of many elements. Not all of them apparent, and since SOME individuals will never be privy to all of our internal government operations, you may only speculate. Speculate away, it's of little difference to me. I speak as the duly elected Chancellor of the Xetic High Council. It is only of import that the good citizens of the XF are aware of that, and I assure you that they are. As this post is now being trolled, flamed, and otherwise off-topic - I request that a Forum Moderator LOCK it. 'nuff said! [email protected] http://www.goi-eve.com/forums/ Check out the Eve Master Datasheet here!!
Argumentative	Posted - 2005.04.02 23:00:00 - [33] Edited by: Argumentative on 02/04/2005 23:00:06 Originally by: Lachenlaud I assure you that GOI _is_ still a functioning part of XF. Whether or not we utilize the In-Game Alliance system is no one's concern but our own. Exactly, the level of your disloyalty to your alliance and cowardice is no-ones concern but your own.... Right?
Seleene	Posted - 2005.04.02 23:02:00 - [34] Originally by: LoxyRider Frankly unless its a congrats ** off out of this thread. Okay. Congrats to Cordy. No idea who you are, but I hope you do well in your new role. Cyvok was already VP, but congrats anyway. Now... Sorry, Loxy. I'm not hijacking. I'm not flaming. I'm just asking a simple question, that's all. If the poster expected this question would not be asked by anyone, then he's delusional. Originally by:** Joshua Calvert Seleene should know better than to rise to the bait. Perhaps, but this isn't bait, Josh. It's a formal statement about an alliance which the poster is voluntarily not a member of. Moving on... Originally by: Joshua Calvert I have no problem at all with corporations leaving XF during the time of war if they do not have the means within themselves to make any other effort to the cause than being just another red dot in the overview. Put enough of those red dots in the overwiew and any pilot will hesitate. It's about working together. Originally by: Joshua Calvert Golden Oak are part of the alliance, just not "ingame". Is that so hard to understand? Yep, and I guarentee that a good number of your own fellow corp mates are just as confused about this as me, Josh, and more than likely ****ed off about it. CLS has been on the front lines since Day One. Golden Oak and a hell of a lot of other corps have not. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Seleene	Posted - 2005.04.02 23:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Lachenlaud As this post is now being trolled, flamed, and otherwise off-topic - I request that a Forum Moderator LOCK it. Asking a question is not trolling. It is very much on topic. You cannot make posts on these forums and expect that the replies will go 100% as you expect. Regardless, you have answered the question. Thank you for that. Obviously, I disagree. I think you will find that many of the "good citizens of the XF" will as well if you try to re-apply for official membership once the wars are over. /emote exits the thread. - T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today!
Grayson Burrows	Posted - 2005.04.02 23:10:00 - [36] Originally by: Seleene Yep, and I guarentee that a good number of your own fellow corp mates are just as confused about this as me, Josh, and more than likely ****ed off about it. CLS has been on the front lines since Day One. Golden Oak and a hell of a lot of other corps have not. Repeat it often enough and maybe, just maybe, people will start believing you. On the other hand, the people who actually matter know better, so this really is a wasted effort.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.04.02 23:18:00 - [37] No trolling please, if you want the moderators to discuss whether or not the thread needs to be locked please mail [email protected] I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Marcus Grisbius	Posted - 2005.04.03 00:10:00 - [38] So I guess that means that BDCI and NSN aren't part of Mercenary Coalition, and Evolution and m0o aren't BoB either. Cuz i dont see any alliance tags on them either.... Gimme a break, let people make their announcements. They can define their alliances any way they like and it doesnt have to fit into a CCP-ordained mold. Besides FoE also has "member" corps that arent in the official ingame alliance. Pot flaming the kettle black? Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn
Philyus	Posted - 2005.04.03 00:11:00 - [39] I am so sick of alts sticking up for Xetic. If you are a Xetic member, stop making us look like idiots by posting idiotic stuff like "Have you undocked, Foyle?" Of course she undocked! I have logs of our gate camp trying to shoot down her vigil during the FoE war! Seleene also brought up a very valid question. Why is a person who is not offically in the alliance making announcements for us? I think this is very disappointing and shows no pride in your alliance to bail out during a war. We are fighting to survive yet you take the easy road out and destroy the alliance peice by peice, not just because you left it, but because you are also destroying what credibility Xetic had left. So congradulations to the new president. Congradulations to CYVOK for choosing to keep his position in Xetic. Now what are your plans for the future of Xetic? Does it involve an offical IGA or do we go the route of CA with a half and half? -------------------- I am easily confused. Leave me alone!
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2005.04.03 00:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Kleptress Ah MC are bored - running out of newbs to gank? Head to 0.0 your might find something a bit more of challenge. I really don't think you want that wish fulfilled :) You got 3 ex-XF FCs in MC :) ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Rodney Munch	Posted - 2005.04.03 01:17:00 - [41] Why should a corp be in an alliance, if theyre not prepared to fight and die for their alliance. Doesnt show much loyalty, if I was an XF member, I'd sure as hell question those kinda actions. Why should some corps sacrifice their ships/isk so others can mine in their 0.0 space but evade the war in empire. Very lame to leave because a war is declared upon the alliance you happen to be in.
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.03 01:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Kleptress Ah MC are bored - running out of newbs to gank? Head to 0.0 your might find something a bit more of challenge. I really don't think you want that wish fulfilled :) You got 3 ex-XF FCs in MC :) Oh you lucky boys.
psycorabbit	Posted - 2005.04.03 02:34:00 - [43] ok sticking to the original post congrats to cordy - you go girl :) just dont let all that power goto your head :p. /emote huggles cordy :)
Latex Mistress	Posted - 2005.04.03 02:37:00 - [44] Originally by: Lachenlaud I assure you that GOI _is_ still a functioning part of XF. That's all I need to hear. Let's war dec 'em and watch them run to noob corps. Oh, that would be grand: Xetic run covertly by the Brutor Tribe, CVA applies for sanctioned war, Ushra Khan makes pilgrimage to Immensea, news at 11! Quote: Whether or not we utilize the In-Game Alliance system is no one's concern but our own. You're the one who posted it for everyone to see, so saying that it's no one's concern is nonsensical and rather hypocritical. If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
Carth Jared	Posted - 2005.04.03 03:31:00 - [45] Grats Cordy! :D whip em well CJ ATUK Killboard \| 5 Killboard
Persia	Posted - 2005.04.03 03:34:00 - [46] Congrats Cordy!
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.04.03 04:52:00 - [47] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Way to get a thread hijacked. Seleene should know better than to rise to the bait and Foyle should mind his/her/its own business. bait? Or maybe it's actually her opinion. Xetic have always been weak, weakness is actually the only thing that keeps them alive. Reverend Necrona
Leila Saunders	Posted - 2005.04.03 05:14:00 - [48] Edited by: Leila Saunders on 03/04/2005 05:15:22 Edited by: Leila Saunders on 03/04/2005 05:14:48 A XETIC "commodore and diplomat" whose corporation LEFT the OFFICIAL ALLIANCE but who has the audacity to post and represent those still in the alliance and fighting for it. um... no thnx? I believe you gave up your right to announce or interfere with any administrative ongoings of the alliance the day you cowardly left it. And there is ONLY an IGAlliance; it will be a sad day when XF follows in CA's footsteps and has corps operating outside the alliance but considered part of it. Next time please keep your announcements to yourself or don't jump out of the alliance at war dec. And FFS stop posting with alts. ROFLMAO - This is XIVOX of CELESTIAL HORIZON CORP. Friggin' CHARACTER Field.
Leosian	Posted - 2005.04.03 05:16:00 - [49] Edited by: Leosian on 03/04/2005 05:17:12 ok, here's a different question but along the same line... Cyvok was the VP and the president steps down. Why didn't Cyvok immediately get promoted to the position of President of Xetic instead of someone else? Not that I really care about the politics in Xetic, I do like Cyvok though Let the slaughter of empire begin...
Specops	Posted - 2005.04.03 05:17:00 - [50] Originally by: Reverend Necrona Originally by: Joshua Calvert Way to get a thread hijacked. Seleene should know better than to rise to the bait and Foyle should mind his/her/its own business. bait? Or maybe it's actually her opinion. Xetic have always been weak, weakness is actually the only thing that keeps them alive. Thats right it was CAs supeiority that led to its downfall and its XETIC "weakness" that keeps it alive. My aren't we birght... ~Specops~
Specops	Posted - 2005.04.03 05:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Leosian ok, here's a different question but along the same line... Cyvok was the VP and the president steps down. Why didn't Cyvok immediately get promoted to the position of President of Xetic instead of someone else? He was the term ended. ~Specops~
Leosian	Posted - 2005.04.03 05:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Specops Originally by: Leosian ok, here's a different question but along the same line... Cyvok was the VP and the president steps down. Why didn't Cyvok immediately get promoted to the position of President of Xetic instead of someone else? He was the term ended. Thanks Specops. They'd be better off with him as president after the way he turned CLS around Let the slaughter of empire begin...
Katjia	Posted - 2005.04.03 05:21:00 - [53] does this really affect you and your wars on XF..i think not..does it matter in the grand scheme of things...uhhh no..if your not xf or closely tied to them then bugger off. Xetic is by far the best allaince ingame once stated b4 they are the closest thing to an actual country/government in game. OHNOES another party won the election and it wasn't the democrats or republicans....run for the hills... ccp pls pimp the convoys again.....ie put things back in them.
cordy	Posted - 2005.04.03 05:51:00 - [54] Thanks for all that supported me in this and speciall thanks to Loxyrider huggles everyone back And for others eventho lach isnt in the ingame alliance he is still doing an official job within xetic wich he is doing great btw
Calanen	Posted - 2005.04.03 07:36:00 - [55] Originally by: MAXSuicide alts suck, the reason why they arent in alliances because their corps are strong enough to stand alone. People that leave because of war but still stay in the alliance unofficially are ghey. Interesting that you feel that way. I remember seeing Corp1 not in the official Curse Alliance during the Empire War on Curse towards the end of last year. Watched Corp1 ships go past that I could not kill. Of course, that was Curse cunning strategy, its only 'ghey' if Xetic does it.....
Buddrow	Posted - 2005.04.03 07:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Calanen Originally by: MAXSuicide alts suck, the reason why they arent in alliances because their corps are strong enough to stand alone. People that leave because of war but still stay in the alliance unofficially are ghey. Interesting that you feel that way. I remember seeing Corp1 not in the official Curse Alliance during the Empire War on Curse towards the end of last year. Watched Corp1 ships go past that I could not kill. Of course, that was Curse cunning strategy, its only 'ghey' if Xetic does it..... this is funny, you guys are complaining about some of the stupidist Sh1t i have seen, why would you allow corps in a brotherhood if they didn't fight..? ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.03 07:59:00 - [57] Originally by: Buddrow Originally by: Calanen Originally by: MAXSuicide alts suck, the reason why they arent in alliances because their corps are strong enough to stand alone. People that leave because of war but still stay in the alliance unofficially are ghey. Interesting that you feel that way. I remember seeing Corp1 not in the official Curse Alliance during the Empire War on Curse towards the end of last year. Watched Corp1 ships go past that I could not kill. Of course, that was Curse cunning strategy, its only 'ghey' if Xetic does it..... this is funny, you guys are complaining about some of the stupidist Sh1t i have seen, why would you allow corps in a brotherhood if they didn't fight..? Erm, we aren't complaining. It was other people who started the whinage. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Zimaala	Posted - 2005.04.03 08:03:00 - [58] Wow, this is the latest and greatest public relations error by the XETIC Alliance; allowing a President to be elected from a corporation that officially is not part of the XETIC Alliance. Good way to undermine not just the whole XETIC Alliance but the other political figurehead, CYVOK, who I bet is not too pleased either about this turn of events. Don't be too surprised if those outside XETIC Alliance refuse to recognise the tenure of Cordy as President in absentia. Lachenlaud speaks of "dedication" in the original post, how ironic.
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.03 08:07:00 - [59] Originally by: Buddrow why would you allow corps in a brotherhood if they didn't fight..? I know it may be outside your sphere of understanding but industrials don't make good fighting ships and it becomes necessary to fuel POS's and manufacture Tech II components occassionaly. Doing so without being attacked by random safespotting interceptor pilot #157 does have its advantages. Some corporations / alliances are founded on democaracy industry as opposed to killboards and forum posturing - you don't like it ******* petition and stfu.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.03 08:08:00 - [60] Originally by: Zimaala Wow, this is the latest and greatest public relations error by the XETIC Alliance; allowing a President to be elected from a corporation that officially is not part of the XETIC Alliance. Good way to undermine not just the whole XETIC Alliance but the other political figurehead, CYVOK, who I bet is not too pleased either about this turn of events. Don't be too surprised if those outside XETIC Alliance refuse to recognise the tenure of Cordy as President in absentia. Lachenlaud speaks of "dedication" in the original post, how ironic. cordy is from a corporation that is part of XF. so is CYVOK. Did you actually read the thread before you posted or were you so eager to flame that you missed out on certain rather important facts? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.03 08:09:00 - [61] Originally by: Zimaala Wow, this is the latest and greatest public relations error by the XETIC Alliance; allowing a President to be elected from a corporation that officially is not part of the XETIC Alliance. Good way to undermine not just the whole XETIC Alliance but the other political figurehead, CYVOK, who I bet is not too pleased either about this turn of events. Don't be too surprised if those outside XETIC Alliance refuse to recognise the tenure of Cordy as President in absentia. Lachenlaud speaks of "dedication" in the original post, how ironic. War dec them then hot stuff
Specops	Posted - 2005.04.03 08:12:00 - [62] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Zimaala Wow, this is the latest and greatest public relations error by the XETIC Alliance; allowing a President to be elected from a corporation that officially is not part of the XETIC Alliance. Good way to undermine not just the whole XETIC Alliance but the other political figurehead, CYVOK, who I bet is not too pleased either about this turn of events. Don't be too surprised if those outside XETIC Alliance refuse to recognise the tenure of Cordy as President in absentia. Lachenlaud speaks of "dedication" in the original post, how ironic. cordy is from a corporation that is part of XF. so is CYVOK. Did you actually read the thread before you posted or were you so eager to flame that you missed out on certain rather important facts? Not only that but CYVOK and CLS also supported Cordy in her election... ~Specops~
siim	Posted - 2005.04.03 08:20:00 - [63] GL to cordy PS! never EVER let cordy and loxy into the same channel
CYVOK	Posted - 2005.04.03 08:22:00 - [64] Just wanted to clairify. I fully supported Cordy for President, I could have been easily voted in but I enjoy the Vice position. Please do not forget that I also have a 500 member corp to take care or, hehe. As far as the IGA, not IGA thing goes... that is all being sorted and those that choose not to fight as part of the IGA are helping in other ways I assure you. Perhaps after the next patch we will be able to keep everyone in the IGA, even those that don't enjoy PvP. The harsh reality is that many EvEers enjoy building and mining and do not like PvP. As much as I do not like Corps leaving the IGA, I understand that it is not right for them to be forced to stay in the IGA when it conflicts with their enjoyment of the game. It is hard to find good leadership these days, IGA or not, Cordy is going to be a good President and Lachenlaud does ALOT of "work" for XF. Also, I was President for about a month when Conram stepped down due to RL buisness. When we decided to make the Presidential Positions, which are ment to help consoldiate leadership and hasten decesion making we decided on a 3 month rotation so no one in the office would get burned out.
Zimaala	Posted - 2005.04.03 08:28:00 - [65] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Zimaala Wow, this is the latest and greatest public relations error by the XETIC Alliance; allowing a President to be elected from a corporation that officially is not part of the XETIC Alliance. Good way to undermine not just the whole XETIC Alliance but the other political figurehead, CYVOK, who I bet is not too pleased either about this turn of events. Don't be too surprised if those outside XETIC Alliance refuse to recognise the tenure of Cordy as President in absentia. Lachenlaud speaks of "dedication" in the original post, how ironic. cordy is from a corporation that is part of XF. so is CYVOK. Did you actually read the thread before you posted or were you so eager to flame that you missed out on certain rather important facts? Are Golden Oak Industries officially a member of the XETIC Alliance? Or did they officially and cravenly, if I understand Seleene's post, resign their membership of the XETIC Alliance? No flames other than in the political sense; nothing personal. I think those outside XETIC Alliance, myself included, want to see XETIC represented by a President that is in a corporation that is part of the ingame XETIC Alliance entity, that's all. It must be noted that the XETIC Chancellor is a questionable appointment too; identical circumstances. Keep the appointments to corporations officially belonging to the XETIC Alliance in order to retain external credibility and respect.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.03 08:34:00 - [66] Originally by: Zimaala Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Zimaala Wow, this is the latest and greatest public relations error by the XETIC Alliance; allowing a President to be elected from a corporation that officially is not part of the XETIC Alliance. Good way to undermine not just the whole XETIC Alliance but the other political figurehead, CYVOK, who I bet is not too pleased either about this turn of events. Don't be too surprised if those outside XETIC Alliance refuse to recognise the tenure of Cordy as President in absentia. Lachenlaud speaks of "dedication" in the original post, how ironic. cordy is from a corporation that is part of XF. so is CYVOK. Did you actually read the thread before you posted or were you so eager to flame that you missed out on certain rather important facts? Are Golden Oak Industries officially a member of the XETIC Alliance? Or did they officially and cravenly, if I understand Seleene's post, resign their membership of the XETIC Alliance? No flames other than in the political sense; nothing personal. I think those outside XETIC Alliance, myself included, want to see XETIC represented by a President that is in a corporation that is part of the ingame XETIC Alliance entity, that's all. It must be noted that the XETIC Chancellor is a questionable appointment too; identical circumstances. Keep the appointments to corporations officially belonging to the XETIC Alliance in order to retain external credibility and respect. President: cordy Solar Storm XETIC Federation Vice Preseident CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp. XETIC Federation Do you see now? Only the spokesperson is not part of the IGA and, as per CYVOK above, it's not an ideal situation to be in but when it comes to enjoying the GAME, it's probably better for them to not be in the IGA if it is effecting their enjoyment due to the wars. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.03 08:47:00 - [67] Edited by: Kleptress on 03/04/2005 08:48:23 Originally by: Zimaala Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Zimaala Wow, this is the latest and greatest public relations error by the XETIC Alliance; allowing a President to be elected from a corporation that officially is not part of the XETIC Alliance. Good way to undermine not just the whole XETIC Alliance but the other political figurehead, CYVOK, who I bet is not too pleased either about this turn of events. Don't be too surprised if those outside XETIC Alliance refuse to recognise the tenure of Cordy as President in absentia. Lachenlaud speaks of "dedication" in the original post, how ironic. cordy is from a corporation that is part of XF. so is CYVOK. Did you actually read the thread before you posted or were you so eager to flame that you missed out on certain rather important facts? Are Golden Oak Industries officially a member of the XETIC Alliance? Or did they officially and cravenly, if I understand Seleene's post, resign their membership of the XETIC Alliance? No flames other than in the political sense; nothing personal. I think those outside XETIC Alliance, myself included, want to see XETIC represented by a President that is in a corporation that is part of the ingame XETIC Alliance entity, that's all. It must be noted that the XETIC Chancellor is a questionable appointment too; identical circumstances. Keep the appointments to corporations officially belonging to the XETIC Alliance in order to retain external credibility and respect. Please READ the god damn posts before jumping on the 'I must flame XF because then people will think I am leet' bandwagon. Anyway - Operation Blade? Who the **** are you to be telling XF what they should do? No-one cares. Go do some missions or something and stfu.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:12:00 - [68] I don't think Kleptress is an XF alt - I think its someone being a flaming idiot trying to make itself appear as an XF alt in order to garner more bad feeling towards us. Most in XF have a healthy respect for MC. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:14:00 - [69] Just a bit of information to everyone in this thred. First of all, thred creator did request the thred locked at page 2. Now to the more enlightening part. For many PvPers in this game, mercenaries especially, the new war system that'll be implemented in the next patch is seen as extremely exploitable and horribly unfair to anyone who tries to make combat their way of living. Note that mercenaries are not griefers, considering that we work as an extension of a different organisation to improve their military arm. Considering the massive... petitions... to CCP from CYVOK, many also consider this new and exploitable system to be a direct result of Xetic Federations querries being answered. As for the current system versus the new system, when it comes to exploiting. Previous system it cost 1 million per corp in the alliance to declare on them. The exploit suggested, taken from musings inside Xetic forums, was that alt corps were to be used to augment membership numbers and thus induce higher war costs. Relatively cheap, but extremely cumbersome to exploit and obvious to anyone wishing to check for exploits. The new system is much easier to exploit. It costs more, but you only need two to four alts. For a running cost of 50 + 501 + 502 + ... + 50n million ISK per week, you can force the war cost of the next aggressor up to 50(n+1) million ISK! This by simply making alts in separate corps and then declaring war on yourself. For a large alliance, this very unrealistic scenario is extremely easy to pull off. As a concrete example: Alliance A doesn't want to be declared upon very much, and so creates 3 alt corps of one nub each. All of these three declares on Alliance A. War costs for Mercenary Coalition is now calculated to 200 + 250 + 300 + 350 million ISK! This provided that our employer doesn't want to engage more mercenaries on the same target! 1.1 BILLION ISK for four MERCENARIES to DECLARE on a SINGLE TARGET!? That means the cost to hire MC will get nearly astronomical in order for us to keep a profitable net result. How expensive for the alliance? Merely 300 million per week. PHAW! No, I think it's time for the community to come together and demand this: LESS obstructions to the ways of play and MORE benefits from features such as alliances. For instance, if an alliance had a lot of 0.0 benefits (which is where alliances should be operating), but were still prone to get easily declared upon. Do you think people'd leave the alliance and give up on the benefits? No, CCP need to do something to make war dodging less apealing instead of removing the wars! And also stop listening to only one side of the discussion. -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
Gevronder	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:19:00 - [70] Originally by: Reverend Necrona Xetic have always been weak, weakness is actually the only thing that keeps them alive. The largest alliance in game, one of the longest estabilished, one of the richest, holder of the most regions, owners of the most player owned stations, owners of the most POSs, claimers of the most solar systems, record holder for most active wars, largest industrial alliance, most democratic and of course - most popular to flame by the green-eyed lamer forum tarts. But tell us, how is life for weak and bitter, dead xCAs who hide in newb corps or do you just like mixing with the like minded?
siim	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:26:00 - [71] Originally by: Gevronder Originally by: Reverend Necrona Xetic have always been weak, weakness is actually the only thing that keeps them alive. The largest alliance in game, one of the longest estabilished, one of the richest, holder of the most regions, owners of the most player owned stations, owners of the most POSs, claimers of the most solar systems, record holder for most active wars, largest industrial alliance, most democratic and of course - most popular to flame by the green-eyed lamer forum tarts. But tell us, how is life for weak and bitter, dead xCAs who hide in newb corps or do you just like mixing with the like minded? lol smoking green sh1t is bad mm'kay?
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:27:00 - [72] Originally by: Ithildin Just a bit of information to everyone in this thred. First of all, thred creator did request the thred locked at page 2. Now to the more enlightening part. For many PvPers in this game, mercenaries especially, the new war system that'll be implemented in the next patch is seen as extremely exploitable and horribly unfair to anyone who tries to make combat their way of living. Note that mercenaries are not griefers, considering that we work as an extension of a different organisation to improve their military arm. Considering the massive... petitions... to CCP from CYVOK, many also consider this new and exploitable system to be a direct result of Xetic Federations querries being answered. As for the current system versus the new system, when it comes to exploiting. Previous system it cost 1 million per corp in the alliance to declare on them. The exploit suggested, taken from musings inside Xetic forums, was that alt corps were to be used to augment membership numbers and thus induce higher war costs. Relatively cheap, but extremely cumbersome to exploit and obvious to anyone wishing to check for exploits. The new system is much easier to exploit. It costs more, but you only need two to four alts. For a running cost of 50 + 501 + 502 + ... + 50n million ISK per week, you can force the war cost of the next aggressor up to 50(n+1) million ISK! This by simply making alts in separate corps and then declaring war on yourself. For a large alliance, this very unrealistic scenario is extremely easy to pull off. As a concrete example: Alliance A doesn't want to be declared upon very much, and so creates 3 alt corps of one nub each. All of these three declares on Alliance A. War costs for Mercenary Coalition is now calculated to 200 + 250 + 300 + 350 million ISK! This provided that our employer doesn't want to engage more mercenaries on the same target! 1.1 BILLION ISK for four MERCENARIES to DECLARE on a SINGLE TARGET!? That means the cost to hire MC will get nearly astronomical in order for us to keep a profitable net result. How expensive for the alliance? Merely 300 million per week. PHAW! No, I think it's time for the community to come together and demand this: LESS obstructions to the ways of play and MORE benefits from features such as alliances. For instance, if an alliance had a lot of 0.0 benefits (which is where alliances should be operating), but were still prone to get easily declared upon. Do you think people'd leave the alliance and give up on the benefits? No, CCP need to do something to make war dodging less apealing instead of removing the wars! And also stop listening to only one side of the discussion. Fighting in 0.0 won't cost you a penny - if you want to take advantage of attacking hundreds of people in what should be safe space and deny many of them access to key solar systems then you pay the price for it. You also talk of hypothetical exploiting, you raise issues of exploiting that XF never used. Yet your coalition exploits ALTs in newb corps to act as spotters for ganking and other known lame tactics / exploits. You avoid being in an alliance yourself to ensure the same thing that happens to XF does not happen to you. Your hypocrisy as always is unmatched.
Mr PrimaX	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:33:00 - [73] Gratz to Cordy !! Dosen¦t XETIC still have that rule that you have to be in the IGA to be in XETIC ?
Zimaala	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:33:00 - [74] Originally by: Joshua Calvert President: cordy Solar Storm XETIC Federation Vice Preseident CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp. XETIC Federation Do you see now? Only the spokesperson is not part of the IGA and, as per CYVOK above, it's not an ideal situation to be in but when it comes to enjoying the GAME, it's probably better for them to not be in the IGA if it is effecting their enjoyment due to the wars. Ah, Cordy is a member of Solar Storm and Solar Storm are a member of XETIC Federation. Right, I see now. I thought at the beginning that Cordy was a member of Golden Oak, obviously. Uhm, apologies
Kleptress	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:35:00 - [75] Originally by: siim Originally by: Gevronder Originally by: Reverend Necrona Xetic have always been weak, weakness is actually the only thing that keeps them alive. The largest alliance in game, one of the longest estabilished, one of the richest, holder of the most regions, owners of the most player owned stations, owners of the most POSs, claimers of the most solar systems, record holder for most active wars, largest industrial alliance, most democratic and of course - most popular to flame by the green-eyed lamer forum tarts. But tell us, how is life for weak and bitter, dead xCAs who hide in newb corps or do you just like mixing with the like minded? lol smoking green sh1t is bad mm'kay? Drugs are the latest excuse for CA's swift and highly amusing demise? Maybe a course of extra strong Prozac / Librium will help all you xCA get over yourselves someday. Now I thought they died because of all the spankings they got in empire from various sources coupled with their idiotic, egotistical leaders and high moronic member count.
Karmic	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:41:00 - [76] Congrats to Cordy may you have an interesting term in office and keep up the good work CYVOK - - - - - - - - -
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:01:00 - [77] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 03/04/2005 10:01:27 Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Buddrow Originally by: Calanen Originally by: MAXSuicide alts suck, the reason why they arent in alliances because their corps are strong enough to stand alone. People that leave because of war but still stay in the alliance unofficially are ghey. Interesting that you feel that way. I remember seeing Corp1 not in the official Curse Alliance during the Empire War on Curse towards the end of last year. Watched Corp1 ships go past that I could not kill. Of course, that was Curse cunning strategy, its only 'ghey' if Xetic does it..... this is funny, you guys are complaining about some of the stupidist Sh1t i have seen, why would you allow corps in a brotherhood if they didn't fight..? Erm, we aren't complaining. It was other people who started the whinage. Xetic have been whining ever since FoE made war on them josh, others declaring aswell added to the whinage. My vids and random stuff
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:04:00 - [78] Originally by: MAXSuicide Edited by: MAXSuicide on 03/04/2005 10:01:27 Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Buddrow Originally by: Calanen Originally by: MAXSuicide alts suck, the reason why they arent in alliances because their corps are strong enough to stand alone. People that leave because of war but still stay in the alliance unofficially are ghey. Interesting that you feel that way. I remember seeing Corp1 not in the official Curse Alliance during the Empire War on Curse towards the end of last year. Watched Corp1 ships go past that I could not kill. Of course, that was Curse cunning strategy, its only 'ghey' if Xetic does it..... this is funny, you guys are complaining about some of the stupidist Sh1t i have seen, why would you allow corps in a brotherhood if they didn't fight..? Erm, we aren't complaining. It was other people who started the whinage. Xetic have been whining ever since FoE made war on them josh, others declaring aswell added to the whinage. I'm talking about this thread. If you want to bring up the past just to fuel your craving to flame, then please do. This thread needed locking anyway. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:07:00 - [79] Originally by: Zimaala I think those outside XETIC Alliance, myself included, want to see XETIC represented by a President that is in a corporation that is part of the ingame XETIC Alliance entity, that's all. It must be noted that the XETIC Chancellor is a questionable appointment too; identical circumstances. Keep the appointments to corporations officially belonging to the XETIC Alliance in order to retain external credibility and respect. Are you Xetic? Nope, didn't think so. Then your opinion and the opinion of Selene, Foyle or anyone else not in xetic has no bearing on how we run our internal politics. If you want a say in how Xetic governs itself then join. Otherwise have a nice day!
Everbane	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:11:00 - [80] Originally by: MAXSuicide Xetic have been whining ever since FoE made war on them josh, others declaring aswell added to the whinage. You have trolled, flame-baited, ** stirred and whined in every alliance foolish enough to recruit you. It would not suprise me in the least if all these trolling ALTs in this thread are yours. Would be just typical of your style just like how you used your army of ALTs to continously ** stir back in CFS.
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:19:00 - [81] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 03/04/2005 10:23:04 actually, i didnt have any alts on the cfs forums, and dont use any here either. my only alt on these forums is MAXSRules, try to find a **** stirring post from him. I think you may have got the wrong guy, i remember 'numberguy' and other people that became FIX using alts to insult us fighting for cfs during the fa/fix/cfs war. Of course that was a while ago, numberguy isnt even in FIX anymore, i think he gave up his alt smacking aswell. its not hard to post with a main, and im not afraid to show opinions/facts/proove someone wrong/flame someone up if the need arises with my main. i dont need alts. 'kthxbye!1one1!' etc.. aww now ive changed the topic..... GL in your new office cordy. My vids and random stuff
Erilynn	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:24:00 - [82] Hi I don't post much (only play on weekends really) but this is getting annoying. Originally by: Kleptress Yet your coalition exploits ALTs in newb corps to act as spotters for ganking and other known lame tactics / exploits. No we don't use anything in newb corps. We use cloaked ships, pilots trained in covert ops and we're damn good at it. Ask anyone in XF who has had thier safe spots busted by Farjung or Cabadrin. Ask the groups of two and three BS who sit on a gate for more than five minutes and then have a swarm of MC warp in on them at 5 km. The names on the kill mails aren't noob alts. They are members of the MC in covert ops ships. Sorry if its hard to believe we actually use the tools provided by the game. Quote: You avoid being in an alliance yourself to ensure the same thing that happens to XF does not happen to you. What do you think would happen if we did form an IGA? Do you honestly think that every corp in EVE would declare on us and help XETIC? Or is it more likely that others would avoid us like the plague? You say this over and over as if somehow the MC forming an IGA would be bad for us outside of the fact that we'd have to leave it if one corp got a contract the others did not. So what happens if the MC forms an IGA? Then what? ----- "Hold still. This will only sting for a moment..." Where is my sig, Riz??? :(
Everbane	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:32:00 - [83] Originally by: Joshua Calvert I don't think Kleptress is an XF alt - I think its someone being a flaming idiot trying to make itself appear as an XF alt in order to garner more bad feeling towards us. Most in XF have a healthy respect for MC. Reading this in more detail I think your assumption is more than likely correct. I would put my money on the ALT being FoE, favorite candidate being MaxSuicide. He did this kind of stuff all the time in CFS.
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:38:00 - [84] Originally by: Kleptress Fighting in 0.0 won't cost you a penny - if you want to take advantage of attacking hundreds of people in what should be safe space and deny many of them access to key solar systems then you pay the price for it. You also talk of hypothetical exploiting, you raise issues of exploiting that XF never used. Yet your coalition exploits ALTs in newb corps to act as spotters for ganking and other known lame tactics / exploits. You avoid being in an alliance yourself to ensure the same thing that happens to XF does not happen to you. Your hypocrisy as always is unmatched. Because honey bunny, the contract is to make empire unsafe for XF. If the contract was to make life difficult in thier homland, do not be mistaken, that is where we would be. The MC is a Coalition as I belive BoB is, this means we somtimes do stuf together and have simaler but not the same goals, thus at this time an IGA would not be appropriate, we defend no area of space, we have no political sides, we are in it for ISk and so we do as we should, that is as our client asks. I hope this clears things up for you and you know understand a little more about the MC. Also congrats to Cyvock who I respect (and have seenon the battlefield unlike some other "leaders", and the other XF bod, who I have never heard of, but I am sure is a good person :) -------------------------------------------------
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:58:00 - [85] Originally by: Kleptress You also talk of hypothetical exploiting, you raise issues of exploiting that XF never used. Yet your coalition exploits ALTs in newb corps to act as spotters for ganking and other known lame tactics / exploits. You avoid being in an alliance yourself to ensure the same thing that happens to XF does not happen to you. Your hypocrisy as always is unmatched. Laff :) Like Erilynn already stated, we do not use alt-corp spies to do our scouting, we use real covert ops and many have had the pleasure of getting a live-fire demonstration of the powers of covert ops ships. XETIC must be the alliance that uses the "noob alt spy" "tactic" as much as I have ever seen. Ranja (Sjoor [CLS]) always shadows our fleet, Sydsic (dunno who that is) is always around as are various other noobalts. Heck, some XETIC members even think it's funny to tell us from their safespot that they saw us coming 7 jumps ago 'cause of their noobspy (Hi Larno). So yeah, omgwtfh4xpl01t yourself and do us a favor and end yourself aswell :) ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
olyyyyy	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:07:00 - [86] Edited by: olyyyyy on 03/04/2005 11:07:52 kleptress is not even an XF alt... If kleptress was XF he would post with his main coz we have something called freedom of speech, a thing that doesn't allow however to spy XF ceos forums with an alt account everybody know of and then post your discoveries on eve-online forums with an alt. congrats to you cordy. Galaga (Galaxian - XIF corp) And yes, Olyyy is on our KOS list so she enjoys stirring the "flames" ( 2004.05.25 )
Zarthanon	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:11:00 - [87] Edited by: Zarthanon on 03/04/2005 11:13:34 Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Kleptress You also talk of hypothetical exploiting, you raise issues of exploiting that XF never used. Yet your coalition exploits ALTs in newb corps to act as spotters for ganking and other known lame tactics / exploits. You avoid being in an alliance yourself to ensure the same thing that happens to XF does not happen to you. Your hypocrisy as always is unmatched. Laff :) Like Erilynn already stated, we do not use alt-corp spies to do our scouting, we use real covert ops and many have had the pleasure of getting a live-fire demonstration of the powers of covert ops ships. XETIC must be the alliance that uses the "noob alt spy" "tactic" as much as I have ever seen. Ranja (Sjoor [CLS]) always shadows our fleet, Sydsic (dunno who that is) is always around as are various other noobalts. Heck, some XETIC members even think it's funny to tell us from their safespot that they saw us coming 7 jumps ago 'cause of their noobspy (Hi Larno). So yeah, omgwtfh4xpl01t yourself and do us a favor and end yourself aswell :) You can't forget "Karen O'hara" which is Aegir Ashalar's alt. (Or however you spell it) He even used this charater in his movie that he made. It's lame that they have to use these nOOb alts. My best guess is that Xetic have equal amounts of skill points in science and Industry compared to MC's Gunnery and Space command. Today Sjoor was camping the Yulai gate in Kemery in a wolf... fitted with Medium Pulse Laser II's. He must miss his mining lasers. 2004.12.11 15:13:28combatYour 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I perfectly strikes Caldari Control Tower [FREEE], wrecking for 1016.6 damage.
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:12:00 - [88] Edited by: Draximus Cane on 03/04/2005 11:18:20 Originally by: olyyyyy Edited by: olyyyyy on 03/04/2005 11:07:52 kleptress is not even an XF alt... If kleptress was XF he would post with his main coz we have something called freedom of speech, a thing that doesn't allow however to spy XF ceos forums with an alt account everybody know of and then post your discoveries on eve-online forums with an alt. congrats to you cordy. OMG Olyyyyy are you running for the Information minister? Olyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy: There are no noob alt spies in Xetic Everyman and his dawg: Yeaaaaaaaah Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! All we need to see now is Nudelz: I don't think warp core stabs are a paticullrly good low slot mod -------------------------------------------------
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:25:00 - [89] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 03/04/2005 11:39:12 Originally by: Everbane Originally by: Joshua Calvert I don't think Kleptress is an XF alt - I think its someone being a flaming idiot trying to make itself appear as an XF alt in order to garner more bad feeling towards us. Most in XF have a healthy respect for MC. Reading this in more detail I think your assumption is more than likely correct. I would put my money on the ALT being FoE, favorite candidate being MaxSuicide. He did this kind of stuff all the time in CFS. sorry, but who the ** are you? ive already said i never use alts. I have NEVER done and never will, people didnt like me on the cfs forums because i smacked and spoke my opinions too much, they know it was me because i was using the only account i had on the cfs forums. Remember the cfs forums are not like the ones here, u dont have 3 chars per one account. just 1 per account on cfs forums, i never saw the need to make multiple accounts. if i was using alts people wouldnt of known who i was, so plz get under the little wooden bridge down by the river. or back in the cave, whichever suits yourself. The alt even trolls me, i have the opposite views to him, so why the would i do that. He even uses different literature (speaks different) blatently not me. let me just remind you, I DONT USE ALTS. jeez its n00bs like u that really ** me off. I personally think it is a Xetic alt, as they have used them in the past openly, as zarth says ingame and on forums. If you hate me so much bane come fight me ingame, instead of bad mouthing me on forums with nothing to back it up, ill even take a screeny of my only account on eve with all the chars on it. Its probably you bane tbh but then your an alt yourself.......stirring the trouble, stirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring My vids and random stuff
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:41:00 - [90] I only use alts to post if this account has been banned LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
insuperable	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:57:00 - [91] Edited by: insuperable on 03/04/2005 11:57:23 Originally by: Zarthanon Edited by: Zarthanon on 03/04/2005 11:13:34 Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Kleptress You also talk of hypothetical exploiting, you raise issues of exploiting that XF never used. Yet your coalition exploits ALTs in newb corps to act as spotters for ganking and other known lame tactics / exploits. You avoid being in an alliance yourself to ensure the same thing that happens to XF does not happen to you. Your hypocrisy as always is unmatched. Laff :) Like Erilynn already stated, we do not use alt-corp spies to do our scouting, we use real covert ops and many have had the pleasure of getting a live-fire demonstration of the powers of covert ops ships. XETIC must be the alliance that uses the "noob alt spy" "tactic" as much as I have ever seen. Ranja (Sjoor [CLS]) always shadows our fleet, Sydsic (dunno who that is) is always around as are various other noobalts. Heck, some XETIC members even think it's funny to tell us from their safespot that they saw us coming 7 jumps ago 'cause of their noobspy (Hi Larno). So yeah, omgwtfh4xpl01t yourself and do us a favor and end yourself aswell :) You can't forget "Karen O'hara" which is Aegir Ashalar's alt. (Or however you spell it) He even used this charater in his movie that he made. It's lame that they have to use these nOOb alts. My best guess is that Xetic have equal amounts of skill points in science and Industry compared to MC's Gunnery and Space command. Today Sjoor was camping the Yulai gate in Kemery in a wolf... fitted with Medium Pulse Laser II's. He must miss his mining lasers. Yup, you also cant forget V1gbr, v2gbr's alt. People always seem to flame and smack XF, but then forget that they do exactly the same. Edit: Typo Interesting... Gallery
Everbane	Posted - 2005.04.03 12:08:00 - [92] Originally by: MAXSuicide ill even take a screeny of my only account on eve with all the chars on it. Your practised at this kind of thing. I am sure you use trial a/c's for your trolling.
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.03 12:09:00 - [93] Originally by: Zarthanon Today Sjoor was camping the Yulai gate in Kemery in a wolf... fitted with Medium Pulse Laser II's. He must miss his mining lasers. hehe Sjoor is propably the last one in Xetic who will use mining lasers Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.03 12:13:00 - [94] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 03/04/2005 12:14:56 Originally by: Everbane Originally by: MAXSuicide ill even take a screeny of my only account on eve with all the chars on it. Your practised at this kind of thing. I am sure you use trial a/c's for your trolling. of course, i am an expert and i really do bother to go through all the trouble to annoy someone with alts and then use my main to claim its not me..... i also go through the trouble and time of making trial accounts, again just to ANNOY PEOPLE! omg the jigsaw pieces all fit together now! how could i not of seen myself doing this before?! My vids and random stuff
Everbane	Posted - 2005.04.03 12:18:00 - [95] Originally by: MAXSuicide i also go through the trouble and time of making trial accounts, again just to ANNOY PEOPLE! Quote: MAXSuicide > its not about truth on forums MAXSuicide > its about lies
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.04.03 12:19:00 - [96] Originally by: Everbane Originally by: MAXSuicide ill even take a screeny of my only account on eve with all the chars on it. Your practised at this kind of thing. I am sure you use trial a/c's for your trolling. You're an alt accusing somebody else of using alts??? ------------------------------------------
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2005.04.03 12:25:00 - [97] everbane, ill try and find the chat log of the kr0m channel i said that in. it was said as a joke, hence the quote being used on siims sig. but meh, use it how u wish My vids and random stuff
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.04.03 12:58:00 - [98] As latex said on another thread...be careful what you wish for alts must die congrats cordy
Squidd	Posted - 2005.04.03 13:56:00 - [99] Edited by: Squidd on 03/04/2005 13:57:27 Let those in their alliances run it how they wish.
Voss Matsu	Posted - 2005.04.03 14:01:00 - [100] Firstly, congratulations Cordy on your appointment. We look forward to a prosperous period for our Alliance. Quote: Your corp is not a member of the XETIC Federation. You haven't been for over two weeks. I find it odd that you have the nerve to post anything to do with the official alliance when you do not stand with your comrades on the battlefield. Should announcements like this not be made by actual members of the Alliance or is this the part where you say you are a part of XETIC... just not really? It seems that some players, mostly from mercenary corporations, fail to realise that PvP is not the only way for a corporation/individual to contribute to an alliance. EVE has many other aspects to it than just PVP, which is the thing you seem to have forgotten. And on countless occasions in the past, XETIC has been at war with other alliances which moved their member corporations out of the official alliance as Calanen stated. I remember these times vividly, corporation descriptions which read, "Proud members of the Curse Alliance" but in fact these corporations were not a part of the IGA. This situation is no different, just seems that people don't like the shoe on the other foot. Funny that. Quote: I believe you gave up your right to announce or interfere with any administrative ongoings of the alliance the day you cowardly left it. I BELIEVE you gave up your right to comment on how our alliance is governed when you decided not to join it. Some people don't like the PVP aspect of the game. So why force them to when it will effect the quality of their game play? It's all very simple, Xetic member corporations decide our policies and vote on motions presented. Therefore situations such as this have the support of a majority of the alliance. You have no say in how we run our alliance. Quote: No we don't use anything in newb corps. We use cloaked ships, pilots trained in covert ops and we're damn good at it. Ask anyone in XF who has had thier safe spots busted by Farjung or Cabadrin. I can vouch for that one.
John McCreedy	Posted - 2005.04.03 14:15:00 - [101] Originally by: Ithildin Just a bit of information to everyone in this thred. First of all, thred creator did request the thred locked at page 2. Now to the more enlightening part. For many PvPers in this game, mercenaries especially, the new war system that'll be implemented in the next patch is seen as extremely exploitable and horribly unfair to anyone who tries to make combat their way of living. Note that mercenaries are not griefers, considering that we work as an extension of a different organisation to improve their military arm. Considering the massive... petitions... to CCP from CYVOK, many also consider this new and exploitable system to be a direct result of Xetic Federations querries being answered. As for the current system versus the new system, when it comes to exploiting. Previous system it cost 1 million per corp in the alliance to declare on them. The exploit suggested, taken from musings inside Xetic forums, was that alt corps were to be used to augment membership numbers and thus induce higher war costs. Relatively cheap, but extremely cumbersome to exploit and obvious to anyone wishing to check for exploits. The new system is much easier to exploit. It costs more, but you only need two to four alts. For a running cost of 50 + 501 + 502 + ... + 50n million ISK per week, you can force the war cost of the next aggressor up to 50(n+1) million ISK! This by simply making alts in separate corps and then declaring war on yourself. For a large alliance, this very unrealistic scenario is extremely easy to pull off. As a concrete example: Alliance A doesn't want to be declared upon very much, and so creates 3 alt corps of one nub each. All of these three declares on Alliance A. War costs for Mercenary Coalition is now calculated to 200 + 250 + 300 + 350 million ISK! This provided that our employer doesn't want to engage more mercenaries on the same target! 1.1 BILLION ISK for four MERCENARIES to DECLARE on a SINGLE TARGET!? That means the cost to hire MC will get nearly astronomical in order for us to keep a profitable net result. How expensive for the alliance? Merely 300 million per week. PHAW! No, I think it's time for the community to come together and demand this: LESS obstructions to the ways of play and MORE benefits from features such as alliances. For instance, if an alliance had a lot of 0.0 benefits (which is where alliances should be operating), but were still prone to get easily declared upon. Do you think people'd leave the alliance and give up on the benefits? No, CCP need to do something to make war dodging less apealing instead of removing the wars! And also stop listening to only one side of the discussion. Actually, if I understand the new system correctly, all it means is that to fight an Alliance economically, you have to come into 0.0 space to do it. So as for your current operations go, it shouldn't effect you beyond the need to travel for your target. If you wish to target a single corp then you can still do that in Empire but will only be able to do one war at a time. However, I do agree that as far as the Corp vs. Corp war system goes, it is exploitable and CCP will need to watch that closely. But enough of the digression, congratulations to Cordy who as far as I can see, well deserves her position as President . Make a difference
Darkrydar	Posted - 2005.04.03 14:36:00 - [102] Someone better mail Anue and tell him to fix his forums. Eve Defence Force is XF and he has them on his FA list. Just doing my part.
Julien Derida	Posted - 2005.04.03 14:36:00 - [103] Edited by: Julien Derida on 03/04/2005 14:36:35 Originally by: Voss Matsu Quote: I believe you gave up your right to announce or interfere with any administrative ongoings of the alliance the day you cowardly left it. I BELIEVE you gave up your right to comment on how our alliance is governed when you decided not to join it. Some people don't like the PVP aspect of the game. So why force them to when it will effect the quality of their game play? It's all very simple, Xetic member corporations decide our policies and vote on motions presented. Therefore situations such as this have the support of a majority of the alliance. You have no say in how we run our alliance. The person you were replying to is a member of CLS (or at least they claim to be), therefore surely they have every right to comment on how your alliance is run? I appreciate that the way this announcement was handled may be fine with the majority of XETIC. However, some of the posts on this thread from XETIC members suggest that it is not OK with everone in your alliance. Other alliances may have moved out corps that do not want to fight during war time, but they have at least been somewhat sheepish about their actions. Using a corp that has left the alliance to make such an important announcement shows either a remarkable naivety or a crass disregard for the alliance mechanics that everyone else tries hard to stick within. Either way, it is extremely bad PR. This announcement really should have been made from a corp within XETIC. ---------------------------------------- Artistic Director & Chief Diplomat - FRICK
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2005.04.03 14:36:00 - [104] I have known cordy for a few months short of a year now, and I am very proud of what she has become. I knew her and greeny knight since before they were in Xetic. Congrats cordy!
ChaosOne	Posted - 2005.04.03 14:39:00 - [105] Originally by: Erilynn Hi I don't post much (only play on weekends really) but this is getting annoying. Originally by: Kleptress Yet your coalition exploits ALTs in newb corps to act as spotters for ganking and other known lame tactics / exploits. No we don't use anything in newb corps. We use cloaked ships, pilots trained in covert ops and we're damn good at it. Ask anyone in XF who has had thier safe spots busted by Farjung or Cabadrin. Ask the groups of two and three BS who sit on a gate for more than five minutes and then have a swarm of MC warp in on them at 5 km. The names on the kill mails aren't noob alts. They are members of the MC in covert ops ships. Sorry if its hard to believe we actually use the tools provided by the game. i have seen alts helping MC. if you are serious about saying that they arnt used then tell me who i can send there name to and what MC forces are around at the time so you can inform them that you do not condone using alts to scout.
Jin Entres	Posted - 2005.04.03 14:39:00 - [106] Congratulations, Cordy. Good luck on your reign. Originally by: Voss Matsu Some people don't like the PVP aspect of the game. So why force them to when it will effect the quality of their game play? It's all very simple, Xetic member corporations decide our policies and vote on motions presented. Therefore situations such as this have the support of a majority of the alliance. You have no say in how we run our alliance. As you might be aware of, the game has a certain risk vs reward aspect it's based on. Combat with other players is not neccessary in order to play the game if you're not willing to take the risks. However, without the risks there are no rewards. What this seems like, is rather taking advantage of the game system by avoiding the downsides of being in an alliance (e.g. vulnerability in empire) and still wanting the upsides (e.g. territorial access). To me, this is cowardice. It's not a question of what you enjoy in the game. If you pursue the rewards offered by joining an alliance, accept the risk without using the game mechanics cheaply in your favor. One thing you are right about, though is that you may govern yourselves anyway you like. It will, however, reflect on your image and satisfaction within your alliance. Good luck.
Voss Matsu	Posted - 2005.04.03 15:03:00 - [107] Quote: The person you were replying to is a member of CLS (or at least they claim to be), therefore surely they have every right to comment on how your alliance is run? My apologies, I seem to have quoted the wrong person. There are so many people in this thread trying to tell the Xetic Alliance how to run itself, I can't believe my luck that I picked a quote from a CLS member. A CLS member does of course have every right to comment on how the alliance is run. Quote: I appreciate that the way this announcement was handled may be fine with the majority of XETIC. However, some of the posts on this thread from XETIC members suggest that it is not OK with everone in your alliance. True. But try and formulate policies that will satisfy all of the 4500 or so members. Quote: Other alliances may have moved out corps that do not want to fight during war time, but they have at least been somewhat sheepish about their actions. Using a corp that has left the alliance to make such an important announcement shows either a remarkable naivety or a crass disregard for the alliance mechanics that everyone else tries hard to stick within. Either way, it is extremely bad PR. This announcement really should have been made from a corp within XETIC Oh ok, I didn't realise that being sheepish or sly about moving corporations out of the IGA made the situation any better. As for the part about the alliance game mechanics that everyone else trys to stick within, I can only shake my head really. And you are the one bringing up terms such as extreme naivety. Quote: What this seems like, is rather taking advantage of the game system by avoiding the downsides of being in an alliance (e.g. vulnerability in empire) and still wanting the upsides (e.g. territorial access). Considering that Xetic claims parts of the EVE universe, the Alliance can grant access to whom ever it wishes.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.04.03 15:07:00 - [108] Untill being an Official Ingame Alliance has more advantages then unified standings, i couldnt give a rats ass if XETIC do or don't leave their alliance to or not to avoid empire wars. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Latex Mistress	Posted - 2005.04.03 15:17:00 - [109] Originally by: ChaosOne i have seen alts helping MC. Forgive me if I doubt you. Not only have I never seen nor heard of noob alts being used for scouting, but it's also supported by our killboards that we use Cov Ops. In fact, there are at least a dozen pilots in MC that can fly Cov Ops. Frankly, we don't need alts (and we wish you didn't either). If that isnt' good enough, the fact that we're are routinely in Interceptors, which outrun everything except other Interceptors, invalidates the use of alts, as they can't scout faster than our own pilots can... Your claim is bogus, sir. If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
Julien Derida	Posted - 2005.04.03 15:22:00 - [110] Edited by: Julien Derida on 03/04/2005 15:23:59 Voss, I think you misunderstand me. I'm sure every other alliance out there abuses the system. However, as I said before, they don't make that fact obvious. With this annoucement, XETIC flaunt it. Of course beeing sheepish and sly about moving corps out of an alliance doesn't make it any better morally but it makes it FAR better from a PR perspective. Being sheepish and sly at least shows that you realise there is something wrong with your actions. This statement just reinforces the 'We'll do anything to gain an advantage, and we'll be shameless about it' reputation that XETIC has gained due to the alt-corp and forums spamming episodes. I'm not saying that this reputation is deserved, but it is definately there. Anyway, it's your PR and your free to run it however you like. ---------------------------------------- Artistic Director & Chief Diplomat - FRICK
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.04.03 15:31:00 - [111] Originally by: Lachenlaud - I request that a Forum Moderator LOCK it. Yeah it's about time now, sorry I missed your post earlier. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Malken	Posted - 2005.04.03 15:34:00 - [112] the only reason there is whining about the fact that some corps are a member of the alliance but not in the official alliance is that then you cant shoot them. if you so much want to shoot them then declare on those corps also. your employer paid you to make it unsafe for them in empire you say, then declare on all those corps also instead of coming here and cry about it. as there is only positive bonuses from not being in a ingame alliance i have no idea why xetic and other alliances still persist on keeping their "official ingame alliances" going. it worked well before the ingame alliances came to be. and as for alts, everyone uses them, every corp has n00b alts and alts in other corps scouting for them in empire. i thought you knew that with you being a "empire warfare" corp, if you didnt then maybe youre PR department is better then your Intelligence Department. now quit whining and go out shooting and good luck to Cordy and Cyvok in their future endeavours Originally by: Graelyn "We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!" Quote: [18:46:36] Weebear > WTS Electric Golf Cart, 1 careful owner. Phone Rome 555 6567

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