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Orion GUardian
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Posted - 2011.10.03 09:33:00 -
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Probably because French is one of the most overrated languages worldwide?
I mean, who (except for the french) does speak french really?
English, Japanese, Spanish, Chinese, the language they speak in India, Russian are more widely used, german is as well btw. The term "dead-language" isn't that far fetched in my opinion. Especially as alot of French-people I met have a kind of "even if we can speak english (or whatever) we won't because we are so superior". Like all those student exchanges were the students from france only spoke French the whole time instead of the foreign language they came over to learn....go figure.
Anyway, a localized client "French" would make sense if there is a big marketshare to be had in France. But I really hate the thought of even more foreign languages populating eve, because I really want to talk to people and if most of them uses one langugaes its far easier. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.03 09:39:00 -
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Orion GUardian wrote:I mean, who (except for the french) does speak french really? Large sections of northern and western Africa, and the inhabitants of roughly eighty bazillion assorted small island, and it's the administrative language in a bunch of Asian countries as well.
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Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.03 09:42:00 -
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.10.03 09:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Orion GUardian wrote:I mean, who (except for the french) does speak french really? Large sections of northern and western Africa, and the inhabitants of roughly eighty bazillion assorted small island, and it's the administrative language in a bunch of Asian countries as well.
Also add to that about 1/3 to 50% of Belgium (counting Brussels) oh and Quebec I suppose.
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okcerg
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.10.03 09:55:00 -
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Orion GUardian wrote:Probably because French is one of the most overrated languages worldwide?
I mean, who (except for the french) does speak french really?
English, Japanese, Spanish, Chinese, the language they speak in India, Russian are more widely used, german is as well btw. The term "dead-language" isn't that far fetched in my opinion. Especially as alot of French-people I met have a kind of "even if we can speak english (or whatever) we won't because we are so superior". Like all those student exchanges were the students from france only spoke French the whole time instead of the foreign language they came over to learn....go figure.
Anyway, a localized client "French" would make sense if there is a big marketshare to be had in France. But I really hate the thought of even more foreign languages populating eve, because I really want to talk to people and if most of them uses one langugaes its far easier.
Seems to me you missed the point... It's not about what language is spoken by players in game or on TS, but about the localisation of the client. If you want to sell a game in France, you'd better have it translated in french since as you mentionned it, french are reluctant to use english even if they know the basics. To reach a larger audience in France (where a big share of the population have a PC with a DSL connection) you have to translate the game, period.
now I don't understand what you mean by "overrated" (probably not what you think it means) and french is far from a dead language as it get new words added constantly, and often those words are english :) |
Irulan Hastur
Chorus Abyssum
Yggdrasill.
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Posted - 2011.10.03 10:04:00 -
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Caius Sivaris wrote:Irulan Hastur wrote:When did you pay attention to provide to your french client a localization client ????  English is teaching is mandatory in France, and has been so since possibly the end of WW2. English is also taught in other French speaking countries. All what CCP squandering the meager resources still dedicated to EVE to a French localization would bring us is some people too dumb to have learned basic English. Do we really want those? French translation would be a waste of time, and I say that as a Frenchman.
I think this argue is totally stupid my fellow citizen. Language do not bring lamer, if you think that it is really ashame. Each cultures has some flows and brightest qualities.
A game with this quality deserve to respect different cultures. Why not localization with Danish, Greek, Swedish, even mother language of Eve's dev !?
I will not troll about all quote about the french who said by somebody who didn't pay attention to other cultures, If they want to stay on a small corner of the world and denied the diversity of the world, they perfectly can, so be it !
But I think really EVE will be more rich and more immersive with a bigger cultural meltingg pot. This could only achieve with more diversity. |
Dagreed
Frozen Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.10.03 10:56:00 -
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Orion GUardian wrote:Probably because French is one of the most overrated languages worldwide?
I mean, who (except for the french) does speak french really?
English, Japanese, Spanish, Chinese, the language they speak in India, Russian are more widely used, german is as well btw. The term "dead-language" isn't that far fetched in my opinion. Especially as alot of French-people I met have a kind of "even if we can speak english (or whatever) we won't because we are so superior". Like all those student exchanges were the students from france only spoke French the whole time instead of the foreign language they came over to learn....go figure.
Anyway, a localized client "French" would make sense if there is a big marketshare to be had in France. But I really hate the thought of even more foreign languages populating eve, because I really want to talk to people and if most of them uses one langugaes its far easier.
So much hate and so ignorant yet..
Tippia got you an answer but just FYI I'll leave this here :
Average number of French speaking people worldwide : 220 millions (125m as mother tongue)
Average number of German speaking people worldwide : 125 millions
So.. why make a ruckus and judge french people based on your oh so small bad experience.. german got their localised client, french are allowed to ask too.
You would be surprised to know how many french players are playing AND exclusively talking and writing in english.
Haters gonna hate i guess |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.10.03 11:16:00 -
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I wouldn't mind a french client, would be like wiping your arse with silk.
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le chatlier
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.03 11:17:00 -
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Caius Sivaris wrote:Irulan Hastur wrote:When did you pay attention to provide to your french client a localization client ???? ...All what CCP squandering the meager resources still dedicated to EVE to a French localization would bring us is some people too dumb to have learned basic English. Do we really want those? French translation would be a waste of time, and I say that as a Frenchman.
all they would bring us are people too dumb to not be able to read a contract, or to understand the rules of CONCORDOKKEN. Why would you not want that?  |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
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Posted - 2011.10.03 11:23:00 -
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Dagreed wrote:
Average number of French speaking people worldwide : 220 millions (125m as mother tongue)
Average number of German speaking people worldwide : 125 millions
So.. why make a ruckus and judge french people based on your oh so small bad experience.. german got their localised client, french are allowed to ask too.
but germans are way more into videogames, on any MMO i tried, there were always more servers for german, way more.
btw you forgot canada on the countries with french speaking people.
also english is not mandatory in france. we learn 2 european language on middle - high school, but nothing say english must be on them. in fact almost everyone will take it, cause we need it, but we are not forced to
but the real problem is that french are not known for being good at foreign language... getting a bit better with time, but still...
but anyway, i don't get what importance a localization is in EVE...
to translate the agent's missions ? who read them anyway ? not like you need to.
the real issue with french people is that, as some have difficulties on english, they have it hard to integrate on english speaking alliance.
but it's not a localization that would change things, as there is not enough of us playing EVE to be independant... well yes TCF existed, but from what i read the end was really terrible... and from what i saw, some corp still hold grudge against each others from this time... and all the tentative to recreate a french nullsec alliance failed. |
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2011.10.03 11:29:00 -
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Irulan Hastur wrote:
I think this argue is totally stupid my fellow citizen. Language do not bring lamer, if you think that it is really ashame. Each cultures has some flows and brightest qualities.
Whoah. My tax money definitely was wasted in a that futile attempt at teaching you English. Now...
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Damiez
Eye of God
Moon Warriors
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Posted - 2011.10.03 11:30:00 -
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I for one welcome our French Underlords and look forward to shooting them.
What about the Italians?
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Digital Messiah
N7 Corporation
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Posted - 2011.10.03 11:39:00 -
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Google says 62 million french. I say, do we really need another French and Indian war? Think of all the fat bees!
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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.10.03 12:28:00 -
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Raid'En wrote:
the real issue with french people is that, as some have difficulties on english, they have it hard to integrate on english speaking alliance.
And the best use of their time is not playing a localized EVE, but improving in English, which will help them tremendously not only in EVE but in their life. If EVE can be an instrument for a few French people to be a little less useless, it's all good. Translating the game won't help with that. |
Dagreed
Frozen Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.10.03 13:32:00 -
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Caius Sivaris wrote:
And the best use of their time is not playing a localized EVE, but improving in English
IMO, the best use of your time would be to stop making pointless thread, stop pointing fingers and stop telling people what to do but hey that's just my elitist opinion and just like yours, it's not worth much.
OP got a start of an answer and hate is still raging on, I'm amazed to see french trash talking about french  |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.10.03 14:17:00 -
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Dagreed wrote: I'm amazed to see french trash talking about french
Heh, they 'r Gallente French what do you expect!
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Lharanai
Empyrean Guard
Seventh Vanguard
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Posted - 2011.10.03 14:23:00 -
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I want a german....oh wait we already have one
seriously what is your problem with a french local, as long as we are not forced to use it
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Red Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.03 17:35:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:Dagreed wrote: I'm amazed to see french trash talking about french Heh, they 'r Gallente French what do you expect!
I laughed
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