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Logix42
Project Write Down All The Things
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:13:00 -
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TL;DR Windows 8 is not noticeably better or worse than Windows 7 for the purpose of Eve
I decided to do a comparison of how Eve performs on Windows 7 vs Windows 8 (both 64-bit). I used an older laptop I have lying around and the OS were 'free' since I'm a University student (free bs, they just build it into my tuition). Did a fresh install of both and then installed Eve and ran a kind of bench test using the performance monitor (CTRL+SHIFT+ALT+M)
Date: October 30, 2012 Eve Version: 8.10.437302 System 4 years old, used heavily for 2.5 Processor: Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo P8700 @ 2.53GHz RAM: 4 GB DDR2 @ 400MHz Video Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 256MB Hard Drive: Seagate SATA II 7200rpm
I ran the tests using the default graphics settings. First in Full screen, then in Fixed window. The reason for a fixed window test was because I personally use it all the time for easier Alt-Tabing. Steps of my test Start Eve Open/Close performance monitor (ctrl+shift+alt+m >> performance tab) Open fps (ctrl+f) Undock Warp to asteroid belt Dock back up Switch to hangar (default is CQ) Open monitor and take screenshot What I found was there was no noticeable performance difference at all going from Windows 7 to Windows 8. According to the screenshots there may have actually been a slight increase. See for your self if you like. Full Screen mode comparison http://i.imgur.com/qQSqP.png Fixed Window mode comparison http://i.imgur.com/pOGY5.png
I know that the real test would be doing a bench mark of some kind of fleet fight but those are not very repeatable in the sense of being the same each time. Also I'm not about to run a fleet on my old computer and not quite ready to install Windows 8 on my main desktop. I'll give them a while to get the bugs out first. My overall impression of Windows 8 is that it feels snappy and responsive on a general use level so I'll leave it installed on this old laptop.
If anyone else wants to do a similar benchmark test comparing Windows 7 & 8 I would love to see you're results. Feedback is welcome Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE.-á Check out the G-Doc list at http://bit.ly/wdatt or the Eve-áforum post at http://bit.ly/I56ebm |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.10.31 02:59:00 -
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With that setup you likely won't notice much of a difference. The larger differences would be more noticeable on higher systems.
On a side note, I almost hope Windows 8 fails for PCs... its a mobile OS, pretending to be for a desktop. |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.31 03:10:00 -
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Uh, off-topic question, but you've got first-hand experience OP: My job standardized on Ubuntu and thankfully I can install and run Fluxbox instead of that ****** Unity tablet-ass crap. Can I do the same with some sort of "classic" mode for Windows 8?
On-topic, it's good to hear we're not heading for another idiotic Vista episode. |
usrevenge
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.10.31 03:42:00 -
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you should try multi clienting maybe? |
Logix42
Project Write Down All The Things
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:01:00 -
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TL;Dr Testing with dual boxing and a higher quality system
I had some free space on my data hard drive so I made a partition and ran a similar benchmark; this time on a much better computer. This test was run with max graphics where as the previous was run at default settings.
Date: October 31, 2012 Eve Version: 8.10.437302 System Desktop Processor: Intel Core i7 870 @ 2.93GHz RAM: 12.0 GB DDR3 @ 1333MHz Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 5830 1GB Hard Drive: Western Digital SATA III
In order to stress the system a little I had a 2nd client open in the background, logged in with completely maxed graphics in fixed window mode and character sitting in the CQ. The client I used for testing I ran using max graphics and alternated window modes. All also ran a test for each with vsync disabled.
I altered the steps of my test slightly Start Eve Open/Close performance monitor Open fps Open/Close Esc menu Undock Warp to asteroid belt Dock back up Alt tab to background client and back Walk the length of the hall in the CQ Switch to hangar view Open monitor and take screenshot Results: Interestingly when I Alt-Tabbed in Windows 8 the FPS did not spike like they do in Windows 7. That was the only significant difference. Note that because of the spike in Windows 7 the scale is different on the left hand side.
Full Screen: http://i.imgur.com/hhaYi.jpg Full Screen /w VSync Off: http://i.imgur.com/0XvUG.jpg Fixed Window: http://i.imgur.com/YLMqy.jpg Fixed Window /w VSync Off: http://i.imgur.com/Dr18A.jpg Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE.-á Check out the G-Doc list at http://bit.ly/wdatt or the Eve-áforum post at http://bit.ly/I56ebm |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:09:00 -
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Time on your hands. You have too much. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:11:00 -
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What I find interesting is that on this one ( http://i.imgur.com/0XvUG.jpg ) the FPS spike on the Windows 7 version changed the scale of the FPS graph and makes it look totally different hehe. The Drake is a Lie |
Liaria Cullen
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
14
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:13:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:With that setup you likely won't notice much of a difference. The larger differences would be more noticeable on higher systems.
On a side note, I almost hope Windows 8 fails for PCs... its a mobile OS, pretending to be for a desktop.
As a student in a computing course, i also get free OS installs from microsoft, and actually got an early access to windows 8. And for the most part i've completely avoided upgrading to it from windows 7, however three of my classmates all upgraded to windows 8 (all of whome were in the same mindset as yourself and i) and all of them have told me it's fantastic, easy to use and actually makes the PC run faster. |
Logix42
Project Write Down All The Things
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:14:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:What I find interesting is that on this one ( http://i.imgur.com/0XvUG.jpg ) the FPS spike on the Windows 7 version changed the scale of the FPS graph and makes it look totally different hehe. Ya that's from the Alt-Tab step, I was quite surprised when it didn't happen in Windows 8. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE.-á Check out the G-Doc list at http://bit.ly/wdatt or the Eve-áforum post at http://bit.ly/I56ebm |
Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
574
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:15:00 -
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A useful, applicable, thoughtful thread with intelligent OP.
This is unacceptable. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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Crrrazy Ivan
Volatile Instability Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:27:00 -
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Liaria Cullen wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:With that setup you likely won't notice much of a difference. The larger differences would be more noticeable on higher systems.
On a side note, I almost hope Windows 8 fails for PCs... its a mobile OS, pretending to be for a desktop. As a student in a computing course, i also get free OS installs from microsoft, and actually got an early access to windows 8. And for the most part i've completely avoided upgrading to it from windows 7, however three of my classmates all upgraded to windows 8 (all of whome were in the same mindset as yourself and i) and all of them have told me it's fantastic, easy to use and actually makes the PC run faster.
Likewise. As a student studying a computing based course (Software Engineering) we have been given access to Windows 8 and various other Microsoft software. I was originally very reluctant to install Windows 8 however, after several of my classmates decided to install it they claim it is very to use and despite being rather small, Windows 8 has increased their Laptop performance. Nevertheless, I am still rather reluctant to install it (Windows 7 works fine so why bother?) however, it is probably only a matter of time before I bite the bullet. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:31:00 -
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Running it here.
Only problem I had was with a driver for my laptop video card (It was an ATI one). The official AMD one worked with no problem. The one that windows update installed made it constantly crash
(Shift+f8 to get into recovery. rolled back and disabled that update. everything is now fine) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Fodan
Phoenix Ashes Inc.
5
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:01:00 -
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Liaria Cullen wrote:And for the most part i've completely avoided upgrading to it from windows 7, however three of my classmates all upgraded to windows 8 (all of whome were in the same mindset as yourself and i) and all of them have told me it's fantastic, easy to use and actually makes the PC run faster.
This tbh
Wasn't originally very keen from what I'd read / heard, but after seeing a lot of positive feedback I took the cheap upgrade offer - actually glad I did - its better than Win7, nicer to use and faster. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
758
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Posted - 2012.10.31 20:18:00 -
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It's been said that the upgrade offer website has /no/ validation.
So you can put in your details, and get an upgrade code, which gives a -ú10 discount. (probably not wise to do for an xp or vista machine.) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Logix42
Project Write Down All The Things
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:28:00 -
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I'm going to keep the Windows 8 installation on a separate partition so if anyone wants me to try something with it in relation to Eve just let me know. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE.-á Check out the G-Doc list at http://bit.ly/wdatt or the Eve-áforum post at http://bit.ly/I56ebm |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:36:00 -
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Take Win7, make a few tweaks, add a tablet UI, and you get Win8.
The only benefit I've heard anyone say that Win8 has is that it boots up faster than Win7, but considering my PC is on 24/7, that makes no difference to me.
I think I'll skip this one. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:47:00 -
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I'm using Windows 8 (got a new pc and everything! It haz lights in it! ) and I'm finding no problems other than the horrid getting used to a new interface that's pretty much the same but different enough to be irritating.
Also 1 click access to my very... particular pron collection (no worries! It might be disturbing but it's all 100% legal in this country) "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
763
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Posted - 2012.11.02 10:11:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Take Win7, make a few tweaks, add a tablet UI, and you get Win8.
The only benefit I've heard anyone say that Win8 has is that it boots up faster than Win7, but considering my PC is on 24/7, that makes no difference to me.
I think I'll skip this one.
There are a whole bunch of changes under the hood, and the Metro apps have a permissions model that's more restrictive than most windows apps (which is good)
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/10/going-to-work-with-windows-8-enterprise/
covers some of them.
(Windows to go sounds interesting. Though not too viable without USB3) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
378
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Posted - 2012.11.02 12:10:00 -
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I never got down to the specifics of performance between the two, but I didn't see any difference in game either. My PC is such however, that I likely wouldn't be much affected by it.
I simply don't like Windows 8 much because they turned it into a Console. It's like having a PS3 OS on my PC with as much limited functionality. I like PC for more reasons than that I can play games on it. I did think it was a very smooth platform for playing games though, provided you created game shortcuts on your desktop and never bothered with the 'start' page except to click on desktop. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Alice Saki
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Posted - 2012.11.02 12:14:00 -
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It's Windows always Skip a Gen.
Don't get Win8 http://i.imgur.com/vXey1.png |
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Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2012.11.02 13:39:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:It's Windows always Skip a Gen.
Don't get Win8
QFT since I can only like a post once.
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Kari Juptris
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
55
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:44:00 -
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I'm hearing a lot of rhetoric about TABLET BAD from people who haven't actually tried to use windows 8, or haven't used it for more than a handful of hours. There is nothing wrong with windows 8. The lack of start menu is quickly overcome after a few days, and there's really not much of a tablet feel to it unless you're running the apps all of the time. It's quite a bit more snappy than windows 7 was, and some of the under the hood features (tickless kernel, forced dll memory address randomization) are pretty cool for geeky reasons.
Windows 8 is a solid technical improvement over windows 7, and the upgrade prices are a steal. $40 upgrades your 7 Pro/Ultimate copy to 8 Pro, the equivalent of 8 Ultimate.
And as a bonus, if you're not on board with solid state drives yet then the release of windows 8 has provided you the perfect opportunity to join the party. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
763
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:53:00 -
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Kari Juptris wrote:I'm hearing a lot of rhetoric about TABLET BAD from people who haven't actually tried to use windows 8, or haven't used it for more than a handful of hours. There is nothing wrong with windows 8. The lack of start menu is quickly overcome after a few days, and there's really not much of a tablet feel to it unless you're running the apps all of the time. It's quite a bit more snappy than windows 7 was, and some of the under the hood features (tickless kernel, forced dll memory address randomization) are pretty cool for geeky reasons.
Windows 8 is a solid technical improvement over windows 7, and the upgrade prices are a steal. $40 upgrades your 7 Pro/Ultimate copy to 8 Pro, the equivalent of 8 Ultimate.
And as a bonus, if you're not on board with solid state drives yet then the release of windows 8 has provided you the perfect opportunity to join the party. Not just 7 pro to 8 pro.
7 home premium to 8 pro FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Opertone
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
187
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Posted - 2012.11.02 19:53:00 -
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ISD please nerf this stealth Microsoft campaign.
The liter the system, the better. If you disagree, then quit advertising bloated OSes. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade Intrepid Crossing
463
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:17:00 -
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One of my corpies is running Windows 8 on his main Eve machine and is having all sorts of issues trying to get it to dual box.
I am also hearing rumblings that they have made it harder to access things like the environment variables and the like. Since I use my PC to do programming as well as play Eve, that's....unfortunate, if true. Can anyone confirm that? Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
763
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:22:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:One of my corpies is running Windows 8 on his main Eve machine and is having all sorts of issues trying to get it to dual box.
I am also hearing rumblings that they have made it harder to access things like the environment variables and the like. Since I use my PC to do programming as well as play Eve, that's....unfortunate, if true. Can anyone confirm that?
Just hit win+q, typed 'environ' and selected 'settings' in the search scope. system and user environment variables pop right up
If the start screen was already up, no win+q needed (it starts the query menu. typing does that on the start menu)
one more click in that case, to specify where to search.
Oh, and I'm running 3 clients on my laptop right now. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
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