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Guile SONICBOOM Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.11.03 01:38:00 - [1] - Quote I hear contrary things like you can carry up to 5 billion safely. Or anything 1 Billion or above is automatic gank. People just simply gank freighters for the lulz, especially if its a JF? What is the safest amount to haul before you should stop, to the point you're not worth ganking for profit?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3414	Posted - 2012.11.03 01:39:00 - [2] - Quote Provided you have a solid hauler, like a bestower or a badger you can safely haul around a few PLEX "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2012.11.03 01:44:00 - [3] - Quote Guile SONICBOOM wrote: People just simply gank freighters for the lulz, especially if its a JF? No, you gank small haulers and pods for the lulz. Freighters take teamwork and planning.
Kaylyis Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc. 39	Posted - 2012.11.03 01:56:00 - [4] - Quote Guile SONICBOOM wrote: I hear contrary things like you can carry up to 5 billion safely. Or anything 1 Billion or above is automatic gank. People just simply gank freighters for the lulz, especially if its a JF? What is the safest amount to haul before you should stop, to the point you're not worth ganking for profit? If the cost in suicided ships is more than what your cargo and salvage are worth then yer unlikely to get ganked. Tornados. Cost about 80 mil a pop and it takes quite a few to drop a capital freighter. Not worth it if yer hauling minerals and ore. Much more worth it if you load up on pt technite and deadspace/officer mods. Then they can pay for their losses with a profit. Freighter ganks are almost never random in highsec.
Beekeeper Bob Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 276	Posted - 2012.11.03 02:04:00 - [5] - Quote more than a little, less than too much.... "CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature."
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 394	Posted - 2012.11.03 02:17:00 - [6] - Quote Haul as much as you want. You can't die if you follow basic rules of eve. Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1884	Posted - 2012.11.03 02:19:00 - [7] - Quote My freighter was ganked and all I was carrying was a civilian mining laser :( Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 333	Posted - 2012.11.03 02:20:00 - [8] - Quote It's less about wealth, more about knowing the space. The systems being targeted for ganks are chosen for a reason. You can't cross empires without using those systems. They are traffic bottle necks. It's why EVE maps look the way they do from the furthest reaches of Null to Jita. The map was designed around choke points and is played around them. EVE isn't complex. It's fish in a barrel.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 680	Posted - 2012.11.03 02:21:00 - [9] - Quote You want safe? Stay docked.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5455	Posted - 2012.11.03 02:25:00 - [10] - Quote Double-wrap regardless of what you're hauling, encourage other freighter pilots to do the same? ~a-áproud belligerent undesirable~ TheMittani.com

Kaylyis Line Ark Security Armaments LockJaw Inc. 39	Posted - 2012.11.03 02:31:00 - [11] - Quote Andski may your sign forever fly high as a mark of shame to the person who cooked that term up. I'd salute you but I might drop my beer.
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 89	Posted - 2012.11.03 02:50:00 - [12] - Quote As a general rule, don't carry enough that makes it profitable to gank, goons have been ganking freighters and there's threads on what it took to gank them, do, stay out of choke points, udema and narjaf, also avoid transiting systems lower then 0.7 if you can.
Gilbaron Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke 399	Posted - 2012.11.03 04:10:00 - [13] - Quote http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15064746 this freighter was ganked using the following ships: 3 talos 1 oracle 7 brutix 2 catalyst lets assume the following (very roughly calculated ! based on hull + T2 weapons + t2 damage mods + t1 damage rigs) prices 4 Tier 3 BC + Fitting: 500m+ 7 Tier 1 BC + Fitting: 500m+ 2 Cruiser + Fitting: 20m+ thats 1.something billion isk needed to blow up a freighter, you will be able to loot the BC wrecks to get some of the expensive weapons back, there is also some interesting salvage possible, but the price stays at 1.x B now you have to consider the possible drop, chance is 50/50, but dont forget, the chance is also 50% for each container, that means a freighter with one container full of shinies is more likely to turn into a loss than a freighter with lots of shinies directly in its cargohold (from the gankers perspective). the possible loot is much higher though. conclusion: transporting more than 2 billion in a freighter makes you an interresting target for gankers
Frostys Virpio Caldari Provisions Caldari State 69	Posted - 2012.11.03 04:17:00 - [14] - Quote Guile SONICBOOM wrote: What is the safest amount to haul before you should stop, to the point you're not worth ganking for profit? Exactly just as much as you can afford to lose. If you can't lose anything, don't undock.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 429	Posted - 2012.11.03 04:48:00 - [15] - Quote Andski wrote: Double-wrap regardless of what you're hauling, encourage other freighter pilots to do the same? dOUBLE WRAPP THEM LIKE YOU DOUBLE WRAP YOUR PECKER B4 A SOROITY PLEDGE DANCE!!! Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers: Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up.-á Typical NULL seccer whine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u299-o66wo&feature=related
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5455	Posted - 2012.11.03 04:56:00 - [16] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Andski wrote: Double-wrap regardless of what you're hauling, encourage other freighter pilots to do the same? dOUBLE WRAPP THEM LIKE YOU DOUBLE WRAP YOUR PECKER B4 A SOROITY PLEDGE DANCE!!! Caps lock ~a-áproud belligerent undesirable~ TheMittani.com
Ghazu 253	Posted - 2012.11.03 05:05:00 - [17] - Quote Less than 3 bil but it varies on the freight fenrirs for example are most squishy. http://www.minerbumping.com/
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 83	Posted - 2012.11.03 05:41:00 - [18] - Quote Let's not forget that what might be equally, if not more, important is not the nature of tha cargo itself or ship used to carry it, but also where you are going and how you plan to get there. That's not to say what you carry isn't important, but sometimes it's more important to pay attention to your route and destination. Also, for the love of all that is holy, stay the hell off of autopilot. Ether fly your boat or stay docked.
Shepard Wong Ogeko GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 139	Posted - 2012.11.03 07:31:00 - [19] - Quote The correct answer is GêÜ--Ç or in other words, you are never safe. Only fly what you can afford to lose and do your best not to lose it.

ISD TYPE40 ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2685	Posted - 2012.11.03 10:48:00 - [20] - Quote Thread has been cleaned of some inappropriate comments. Please remain on topic - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department


Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1002	Posted - 2012.11.03 11:25:00 - [21] - Quote Truth is, gankers will very rarely go through your loot item by item and count if it adds up to 1b or 1.2b or 1.5b. They'll look at the cargo scan and look for shiny things - blueprints, faction/deadspace/officer mods, moon goo, loads of TII stuff, etc. It's not just about how valuable your cargo is, but also about how valuable your cargo appears.
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 1073	Posted - 2012.11.03 11:27:00 - [22] - Quote I only travel with at least 10 billion in value in freighters. Otherwise its no fun. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 265	Posted - 2012.11.03 12:27:00 - [23] - Quote As others have pointed out, it's route. Right now the Uedama and Niarja pipe is not viable. It isn't risk, they aren't viable routes. The reason Jita Burn was a 36 hr comedy side show was Concord was bug zapping pirates faster than pirate corps could produce them. That's not the case in Uedama. It has a .5054403 true sec and it's not enough to provoke a large scale concord response. CCP could put Concord beacons on the maps but it's doubtful they will unless people start hitting the cancel Sub button due to relentless attitudes of people camping those systems. Players could War dec but that was taken off the table with the multi billion ISK dec shielding system. Bring blob is a white paper solution. It sounds great on the forum but LFG so I can move my PvE assets won't work in the most dedicated Null sec alliances, forget loose affiliate corps used in High Sec. Not viable. Log out, go play something else.
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 248	Posted - 2012.11.03 13:33:00 - [24] - Quote Guile SONICBOOM wrote: People just simply gank freighters for the lulz, especially if its a JF? A JF is 300k EHP+ depending on pilot skill but take 300k EHP as an average. It will require a lot of tier 3 battlecruisers to take that out before Concorde arrive even in a 0.5 system. During Burn Jita I saw some goons in Perimeter alpha a JF but that took 30-35 Tornados. It was very impressive but probably cost them 2 bill or so to do. No idea what was in the JF but he was AFK slowboating into Jita, so bugger all probably. So no, nobody ganks JFs "for the lulz" except on special occassions like Burn Jita.
Desert Ice78 Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us 170	Posted - 2012.11.03 14:02:00 - [25] - Quote Andski wrote: Double-wrap regardless of what you're hauling, encourage other freighter pilots to do the same? I got ganked in my Itty 5 with a double wrap; it was double wraped only for convienence for switching between toons mind. The pirate popped me assuming that the double wrap was hiding something, and got mining crystals for his tornado. Just food for thought. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 532	Posted - 2012.11.03 14:08:00 - [26] - Quote Desert Ice78 wrote: Andski wrote: Double-wrap regardless of what you're hauling, encourage other freighter pilots to do the same? I got ganked in my Itty 5 with a double wrap; it was double wraped only for convienence for switching between toons mind. The pirate popped me assuming that the double wrap was hiding something, and got mining crystals for his tornado. Just food for thought. i'd be tempted to double wrap 1 trit and haul it in a frig so people think it's plex. serve them right, no matter what they gank you in they will always lose. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.

CCP Falcon 443	Posted - 2012.11.03 14:10:00 - [27] - Quote Zero. When you log into EVE, you should never assume that you are safe from the actions of other players. This is the way the sandbox works. CCP Falcon -á-á\|\|-á-áEVE Community Team -á\|\| -á-áEVE Illuminati -á-á\|\|-á-á@CCP_Falcon -á-- Disciple Of The Delicious Tea --

KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 1035	Posted - 2012.11.03 14:20:00 - [28] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: Truth is, gankers will very rarely go through your loot item by item and count if it adds up to 1b or 1.2b or 1.5b. They'll look at the cargo scan and look for shiny things - blueprints, faction/deadspace/officer mods, moon goo, loads of TII stuff, etc. It's not just about how valuable your cargo is, but also about how valuable your cargo appears. Actually, there's an app for that now. Scan, copy/paste, get total cargo value instantly. Progress \o/ www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc 218	Posted - 2012.11.03 14:57:00 - [29] - Quote If you carry 5 billion or more in a freighter, you probably won't get ganked. This is because the gates you pass don't have a freighter gank fleet ready most of the time, not because you're not worth the trouble. Make a long trip and you'll get twelve scanner scouts from different highsec pirate corps following you, fleeting with their corpmates desperately trying to toss together a gank fleet in time to catch you, but you won't see them unless they're ready. Just stick between 1-2 billion if not less, and you'll usually only be ganked for the lulz, not for monetary reasons (that means you're MUCH less likely to be ganked). -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens
Jiska Ensa Unour Heavy Industries 95	Posted - 2012.11.03 15:29:00 - [30] - Quote Right now if you double-pack everythign you put in a freighter, it lowers the risk to a reasonable level. God help us the day CCP caves to the gankers and eliminates that mechanic... But in the near future, certian people in certain alliances may find it impossible to take a jump freighter anywhere thanks to the 20% payout a bounty on their corp/alliance would give them (that's close to 2 billion isk in an empty JF). Also, never, ever, ever autopilot unless you're empty/don't care about your ship.

Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1002	Posted - 2012.11.03 15:46:00 - [31] - Quote Jiska Ensa wrote: But in the near future, certian people in certain alliances may find it impossible to take a jump freighter anywhere thanks to the 20% payout a bounty on their corp/alliance would give them (that's close to 2 billion isk in an empty JF). That's what out of corp alts are for. (Although I could imagine someone being crazy enough to put billions in bounties on anyone they see flying a jumptruck just to "burn" the character...)
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 532	Posted - 2012.11.03 15:50:00 - [32] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: Jiska Ensa wrote: But in the near future, certian people in certain alliances may find it impossible to take a jump freighter anywhere thanks to the 20% payout a bounty on their corp/alliance would give them (that's close to 2 billion isk in an empty JF). That's what out of corp alts are for. (Although I could imagine someone being crazy enough to put billions in bounties on anyone they see flying a jumptruck just to "burn" the character...) you mean like goons putting it on all known jf alts of other null sec alliances they're at war with? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1002	Posted - 2012.11.03 15:51:00 - [33] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Abdiel Kavash wrote: Jiska Ensa wrote: But in the near future, certian people in certain alliances may find it impossible to take a jump freighter anywhere thanks to the 20% payout a bounty on their corp/alliance would give them (that's close to 2 billion isk in an empty JF). That's what out of corp alts are for. (Although I could imagine someone being crazy enough to put billions in bounties on anyone they see flying a jumptruck just to "burn" the character...) you mean like goons putting it on all known jf alts of other null sec alliances they're at war with? It's not unthinkable. Or perhaps, freight companies putting bounties on each other('s NPC alts) to take the competition out of business.
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 532	Posted - 2012.11.03 15:53:00 - [34] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: Dave stark wrote: Abdiel Kavash wrote: Jiska Ensa wrote: But in the near future, certian people in certain alliances may find it impossible to take a jump freighter anywhere thanks to the 20% payout a bounty on their corp/alliance would give them (that's close to 2 billion isk in an empty JF). That's what out of corp alts are for. (Although I could imagine someone being crazy enough to put billions in bounties on anyone they see flying a jumptruck just to "burn" the character...) you mean like goons putting it on all known jf alts of other null sec alliances they're at war with? It's not unthinkable. Or perhaps, freight companies putting bounties on each other('s NPC alts) to take the competition out of business. oh the possibilities... Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 177	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:11:00 - [35] - Quote Guile SONICBOOM wrote: I hear contrary things like you can carry up to 5 billion safely. Or anything 1 Billion or above is automatic gank. People just simply gank freighters for the lulz, especially if its a JF? What is the safest amount to haul before you should stop, to the point you're not worth ganking for profit? There is no "safe". Many, not specifically excluding me, would gank you just for the lulz.
Aye Pal State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:16:00 - [36] - Quote You can haul anything. All you need is support if you're hauling a crap ton of items work a lot of ISK
Inquisitor Kitchner Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes 352	Posted - 2012.11.03 17:31:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Zero. When you log into EVE, you should never assume that you are safe from the actions of other players. This is the way the sandbox works. Not empty quoting. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Aineko Macx Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 213	Posted - 2012.11.03 18:21:00 - [38] - Quote If you read that article about goons ganking freighters, they stated they were targeting loads starting at 7bil in value.
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 532	Posted - 2012.11.03 18:22:00 - [39] - Quote Aineko Macx wrote: If you read that article about goons ganking freighters, they stated they were targeting loads starting at 7bil in value. do you have a link to this article? please. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Aineko Macx Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 213	Posted - 2012.11.03 21:01:00 - [40] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Aineko Macx wrote: If you read that article about goons ganking freighters, they stated they were targeting loads starting at 7bil in value. do you have a link to this article? please. Linky

Naburi NasNaburi War Trident Trifectas Syndicate 129	Posted - 2012.11.04 11:10:00 - [41] - Quote Andski wrote: Double-wrap regardless of what you're hauling, encourage other freighter pilots to do the same? If I am scanning, and see a plastic wrap on my scan result.. I will shoot. You took the time to double wrap it ? Must be important and juicy. I like juicy. <3 (sure sometimes there wont be juicy inside.. but more times there is LOTS of it inside)
Dave stark Black Nova Corp. R O G U E 540	Posted - 2012.11.04 11:31:00 - [42] - Quote Naburi NasNaburi wrote: Andski wrote: Double-wrap regardless of what you're hauling, encourage other freighter pilots to do the same? If I am scanning, and see a plastic wrap on my scan result.. I will shoot. You took the time to double wrap it ? Must be important and juicy. I like juicy. <3 (sure sometimes there wont be juicy inside.. but more times there is LOTS of it inside) my new policy is to fly a t1 frig everywhere with a double wrapped trit hoping some one thinks it's a plex. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 403	Posted - 2012.11.04 13:12:00 - [43] - Quote Naburi NasNaburi wrote: Andski wrote: Double-wrap regardless of what you're hauling, encourage other freighter pilots to do the same? If I am scanning, and see a plastic wrap on my scan result.. I will shoot. You took the time to double wrap it ? Must be important and juicy. I like juicy. <3 (sure sometimes there wont be juicy inside.. but more times there is LOTS of it inside) that's where "encourage other freighter pilots to do the same" comes into play... DOUBLE-WRAP ALL THE CAP BOOSTER 800s!!! I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 89	Posted - 2012.11.04 15:45:00 - [44] - Quote You know that could be something with the new changes to double wrap then when ganker pops you you get kill rights that you can give to PVP player (in the new system of course).but before all that im moving to jita and become a day trader


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