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Afuran
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.11.04 11:53:00 -
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Sorry if this has been brought up before but here goes-
Why can't I tractor wrecks and cans that don't belong to me in W-space?
i understand that in HS and LS there is a CONCORD presence that 'oversees' capsuleer behavior and all that jazz, but in W-space, there is no law enforcement. There is no- 'that wreck belongs to X so you can't activate your tractor beam on it' business.
I don't care who's system it is or who killed the sleeper, there's nobody around to stop me from taking it. The rule just doesn't make sense in W-space.
Also if the rule stays in place with the new crimewatch, will I have an aggression timer for doing stuff in W-space? |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy
In Umbra Mortis
177
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Posted - 2012.11.04 17:13:00 -
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Ownership is ownership. The wrecks are 'flagged' to the person who killed them. So unless they release ownership, you can not tractor them. It would be too much coding to change it. |
Afuran
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.11.04 18:28:00 -
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It just doesn't make any sense that I cant take it. Who's stopping me activating my modules on it?
And the ownership flag is ridiculous - they own their ship but I can still do whatever I want to them, the same should be true to whatever is in WH space.
Also, what's stopping my POS moon- mining in Wh space? Has there ever been an explanation why its disallowed? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
426
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Posted - 2012.11.04 18:37:00 -
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Afuran wrote:It just doesn't make any sense that I cant take it. Who's stopping me activating my modules on it?
And the ownership flag is ridiculous - they own their ship but I can still do whatever I want to them, the same should be true to whatever is in WH space.
The way the game is designed, deal with it.
Afuran wrote:Also, what's stopping my POS moon- mining in Wh space? Has there ever been an explanation why its disallowed?
Yea, WH's are lucrative enough without moon goo.
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Wolvun
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
60
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Posted - 2012.11.04 21:03:00 -
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0/10 |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP
Talocan United
74
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Posted - 2012.11.04 21:44:00 -
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As I said it before in another thread. Wreck ownership in lawless space?
We are supossed to be beyond concord reach. They should be flagged as free for all.
I know is something about coding, but I dont think it should be that hard to check if the wreck is under empire jurisdictio |
Afuran
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.11.04 21:59:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Afuran wrote:It just doesn't make any sense that I cant take it. Who's stopping me activating my modules on it?
And the ownership flag is ridiculous - they own their ship but I can still do whatever I want to them, the same should be true to whatever is in WH space. The way the game is designed, deal with it. Afuran wrote:Also, what's stopping my POS moon- mining in Wh space? Has there ever been an explanation why its disallowed? Yea, WH's are lucrative enough without moon goo.
Normally don't bite but got some time spare so here goes-
Game design changes- you should realise that if your not a complete idiot....
WHs being lucrative does not explain why a POS can mine a moon in one area and not another.
Please try to post something constructive because otherwise you just make yourself look bad. |
Furtiva
Eternal Frontier
The-Machine
0
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Posted - 2012.11.04 22:05:00 -
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Afuran wrote:
Normally don't bite but got some time spare so here goes-
Game design changes- you should realise that if your not a complete idiot....
WHs being lucrative does not explain why a POS can mine a moon in one area and not another.
Please try to post something constructive because otherwise you just make yourself look bad.
Post it where it belongs. Try here.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270 |
nahjustwarpin
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2012.11.04 23:23:00 -
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let's just say that wreck owner initially doesn't want his wrecks to be beamed by others, so they are 'anchored'.
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Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP
Talocan United
74
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Posted - 2012.11.04 23:42:00 -
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Again with the wreck ownership in lawless space... |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
426
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Posted - 2012.11.04 23:51:00 -
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Afuran wrote:
Normally don't bite but got some time spare so here goes-
Game design changes- you should realise that if your not a complete idiot....
Yea, let me clarify. It is the way wrecks are currently designed. Given CCP's design timelines, and the fact there has been nothing mentioned about changing wreck ownership, it is safe to surmise nothing about this game design will change in probably at least the next X years.
Hence, deal with it.
Afuran wrote:WHs being lucrative does not explain why a POS can mine a moon in one area and not another.
Pretty sure it was explained via dev somewhere. I'm sure your google fu is sufficient.
Afuran wrote:Please try to post something constructive because otherwise you just make yourself look bad.
No worse than your OP. |
Utsen Dari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
57
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Posted - 2012.11.05 05:51:00 -
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I put yellow wrecks in non-empire in the same category as dreadnoughts and carriers that inexplicably don't have small weapons, and so forth. These things are game balance for its own sake.
Can you imagine the hilarity of running about in a couple interceptors working together with a nano-fit MWD noctis and yoinking people's wrecks across gridwalls before they could do a damn thing about it, though? |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
766
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Posted - 2012.11.05 08:01:00 -
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rclick, abandon nearby wrecks. solved. |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2012.11.05 08:58:00 -
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Why the moons in W-space cant be mined? simple, and the same as why they cant be mined in Empire space:
Somone else already depleted the moon, in empire the states, in W-space the sleepers |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
460
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Posted - 2012.11.05 14:34:00 -
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I can't believe people would actually argue for this nonsensical mechanic. Anyone should be able to tractor wrecks in wormhole space, no matter if they belong to you or not. Why should my own ship stop me from doing this in lawless space? 
Maybe if it was possible to tractor wrecks yellow wrecks, we would see more marauders used in pvp.
Moon mining: it's pretty obvious why we can't do that in WH space...
They see me trolling, they hating... |
Dex DelaVenuto
Sky Templars
4
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:00:00 -
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edited. nothing more for security reason of whole.  |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
768
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:23:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:I can't believe people would actually argue for this nonsensical mechanic. Anyone should be able to tractor wrecks in wormhole space, no matter if they belong to you or not. Why should my own ship stop me from doing this in lawless space?
youre missing the point.
this is an absolute non issue either way, there are FAR better things for CCP to spend their time on. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
460
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Posted - 2012.11.06 07:33:00 -
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I wouldn't say it's exactly a non issue jack but yeah, it's not the most important thing for CCP to be thinking about. However, how hard can it be to change the system so that wreck ownership is dipendant security status?!
They see me trolling, they hating... |
Graff Spee
Choke-Hold
14
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Posted - 2012.11.06 08:22:00 -
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It's a quick change, it makes things easier on people in 0.0 and WH space, and frankly, there's no reason not to do it. If they see this and have a spare few hours, I'm sure they would at least consider it. They should, in fact, consider it. Caution: this may flag people in empire and lowsec! |
Bodega Cat
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
46
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Posted - 2012.11.06 22:01:00 -
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Graff Spee wrote:It's a quick change, it makes things easier on people in 0.0 and WH space, and frankly, there's no reason not to do it. If they see this and have a spare few hours, I'm sure they would at least consider it. They should, in fact, consider it. Caution: this may flag people in empire and lowsec!
Speculating that it is a quick change is a mistake.
We have no idea how the code is written, and what systems it touches. Refactoring it in any way might have huge unforseen ramifications that make the risks "not quick at all" to assess, resolve, or even work around. For all we know, the guy who originally wrote that stuff might not even work at CCP anymore, which means you actually have to ramp someone up on it first before you can even think about refactoring or re-writing things to get them to work in a seemingly obvious way as an end user.
It's also a lot of QA time to then go through and test all the systems this effects in all kinds of ways to make sure nothing critical got missed (think Office Space, and mundane details)
Programming game code is often much more elegant (and hacked together) than the way it appears to the end user.
Many things like this, get weighted out with a Risk vs. Payoff number, and then prioritized accordingly so if the juice an't worth the squeeze, its probably never gonna happen.
But then again... If we all make enough noise about certain things, that priority value changes as well. |
chris elliot
EG CORP
Talocan United
52
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Posted - 2012.11.10 12:41:00 -
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Afuran wrote:
I don't care who's system it is or who killed the sleeper, there's nobody around to stop me from taking it. The rule just doesn't make sense in W-space.
Here is a fun one for you since you have the argumentative skills of a lump of play-doh.
You are flying around in w-space, completely away from the eyes of CONCORD, and the connection with the outside world is broken.
"How is it broken?" you ask.
Because you are unable to connect to the local becon that tells the world where you are and what ship you are in.
Thus, if your ship is blown up in w-space, how does the insurance company know you need to get paid? Its a conspiracy!!!!!!
Or, here is another fun one. You are in highsec sitting on a wormhole and you shoot someone to get CONCORD after you. Why does the wormhole not let you jump? Scrams do not prevent you from jumping, and wormholes, unlike gates, are not controlled by anyone.
Moar conspiracy!!
No.. its called a video game. Deal with it.
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Afuran
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.11.10 22:26:00 -
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chris elliot wrote:Afuran wrote:
I don't care who's system it is or who killed the sleeper, there's nobody around to stop me from taking it. The rule just doesn't make sense in W-space.
Here is a fun one for you since you have the argumentative skills of a lump of play-doh. You are flying around in w-space, completely away from the eyes of CONCORD, and the connection with the outside world is broken. "How is it broken?" you ask. Because you are unable to connect to the local becon that tells the world where you are and what ship you are in. Thus, if your ship is blown up in w-space, how does the insurance company know you need to get paid? Its a conspiracy!!!!!! Or, here is another fun one. You are in highsec sitting on a wormhole and you shoot someone to get CONCORD after you. Why does the wormhole not let you jump? Scrams do not prevent you from jumping, and wormholes, unlike gates, are not controlled by anyone. Moar conspiracy!! No.. its called a video game. Deal with it.
They should all be changed. They don't make sense and the game would be better if they did change them. Unless you want to play a video game with a lot of rules that don't make sense.
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