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Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:07:00 -
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So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for what ship I might try to mission in after the nerf bat beats my tengu to hell. It may turn out that the Tengu is still the best choice. I currently mission in a 2 man fleet tengu/basilisk. Maybe I should just double up on tengus and remote rep each other. I've considered going for a carrier next year, but I have no idea the logistics of flying such a large ship.
Anyway any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh I'm running L5 missions. |
Silver Plated
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.11.05 04:35:00 -
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I still think the Tengu will be a very good choice. Its small, quick and so harder to catch and will still do acceptable DPS at a decent range. Fits may have to change a bit and it'll be slower to kill everything but I don't foresee it making them not good. Although you could probably maintain your current speed by using the spider tanked Tengus as you mentioned. |
Boomhaur
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Posted - 2012.11.05 05:34:00 -
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So what is this nerf that is coming towards the Tengu I just resubed within the last day.
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Dato Koppla
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
93
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Posted - 2012.11.05 06:27:00 -
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Boomhaur wrote:So what is this nerf that is coming towards the Tengu I just resubed within the last day.
Not specifically Tengu but heavy missiles in general https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029&find=unread |
Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.11.06 02:33:00 -
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Well just lost my Tengu in Prison Break L5 mission. I may go mach now. Not sure. Tengu is still the best ship for low/null but the dps is going to be irritating. Most of the missions I do are EM heavy and the Tengu doesn't do good EM dam. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
63
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Posted - 2012.11.06 07:10:00 -
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HAM Tengu?
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
2023
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Posted - 2012.11.06 09:36:00 -
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I'll be running missions in a Huginn, most likely.
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Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.11.06 10:17:00 -
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Thanks |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
413
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Posted - 2012.11.06 11:08:00 -
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if you have a basilisk anyway, you can pick any shield tanked mission runner. HAM tengu will struggle with either range or small targets (read: frigs), so a mach or nightmare is probably your best bet. if you want to dual-box dps, you can run a cap chain and local rep, that should be better than straight RR.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:05:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:if you have a basilisk anyway, you can pick any shield tanked mission runner. HAM tengu will struggle with either range or small targets (read: frigs), so a mach or nightmare is probably your best bet. if you want to dual-box dps, you can run a cap chain and local rep, that should be better than straight RR.
Yes I've often thought this too. I really like the tengu for it's versatility in low and nullsec. I usually carry my cov opts sub and cloak in cargo for when I am not missioning, so that I can dock and switch them. I've only been in lowsec for a few months, so I felt much safer in the tengu. I worry about the larger sig radius and slow maneuverability of a bs. Really though I don't think this should be much of a concern where I am. I only rarely see any probes in space.
Also I just lost my damn tengu doing Prison Break. I bought another to get my isk reserves back up and until I have a better idea of what I need to work toward. I was planing on a nighthawk, but this nerf of HM's has me rethinking that. Maybe a Mach is the best route. I would train for a carrier, but **** I wouldn't know where to begin to use it. I do have near perfect drone skills though. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
232
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Posted - 2012.11.06 17:18:00 -
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Brent Newton wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:if you have a basilisk anyway, you can pick any shield tanked mission runner. HAM tengu will struggle with either range or small targets (read: frigs), so a mach or nightmare is probably your best bet. if you want to dual-box dps, you can run a cap chain and local rep, that should be better than straight RR. Yes I've often thought this too. I really like the tengu for it's versatility in low and nullsec. I usually carry my cov opts sub and cloak in cargo for when I am not missioning, so that I can dock and switch them. I've only been in lowsec for a few months, so I felt much safer in the tengu. I worry about the larger sig radius and slow maneuverability of a bs. Really though I don't think this should be much of a concern where I am. I only rarely see any probes in space. Also I just lost my damn tengu doing Prison Break. I bought another to get my isk reserves back up and until I have a better idea of what I need to work toward. I was planing on a nighthawk, but this nerf of HM's has me rethinking that. Maybe a Mach is the best route. I would train for a carrier, but **** I wouldn't know where to begin to use it. I do have near perfect drone skills though.
Would be a good alternative if it was just the heavy missile nerf. However the new A.I. with smaller ships defaulting to attack smaller targets, combined with the remote repair modules generating much more hate with NPC's, it will be almost impossible for any battleship hull to protect a cruiser hull logi. Your basilisk will get primaried and near insta popped in any mission not dominated by BS size NPC's. There are a few level 5 missions with enough cruiser and smaller NPC's that your logi will get targeted by all cruiser and smaller hulls on warp in and popped before you even know what happened. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
413
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:15:00 -
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good point. i forgot about the healer aggro change. maybe two tengus, one with hams, one with nerfed HMLs are a good solution.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
101
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Posted - 2012.11.06 21:56:00 -
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Brent Newton wrote:So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for what ship I might try to mission in after the nerf bat beats my tengu to hell.
It beats the HML Tengu to hell. It buffs (!!!) the HAM Tengu. You know what to do. |
Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.11.07 13:18:00 -
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I didn't know about that AI change. Yeah I may have to go dual tengu. Was even looking at proteus. I have good drone skills. I'm wondering if switching to assault missile fit might make for more dps after the nerf. Well one thing is for sure missions are going to be a lot more interesting after December. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
413
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Posted - 2012.11.08 13:18:00 -
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Brent Newton wrote:I didn't know about that AI change. Yeah I may have to go dual tengu. Was even looking at proteus. I have good drone skills. I'm wondering if switching to assault missile fit might make for more dps after the nerf. Well one thing is for sure missions are going to be a lot more interesting after December.
assault missile builds WILL do up to 1000dps on paper but you will be limited to either ~30km range with same damage application as now or 50-60km range with ~50dps applied to frigates.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Signal11th
Amarr Empire
809
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:50:00 -
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Brent Newton wrote:So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for what ship I might try to mission in after the nerf bat beats my tengu to hell. It may turn out that the Tengu is still the best choice. I currently mission in a 2 man fleet tengu/basilisk. Maybe I should just double up on tengus and remote rep each other. I've considered going for a carrier next year, but I have no idea the logistics of flying such a large ship.
Anyway any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh I'm running L5 missions.
carrier, still much quicker than a tengu especially for lvl 5's, obviously you just have to be cute with popping the webs first and keeping a close eye on d-scan
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
1081
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:44:00 -
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I still like my Raven Navy Issue and Rattlesnake, though the Rattlesnake my require more attention with improved NPC AI. |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
245
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Posted - 2012.11.08 18:53:00 -
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Brent Newton wrote:It may turn out that the Tengu is still the best choice.
You say that like the Tengu was EVER the best choice... it wasn't. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
388
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Posted - 2012.11.11 04:15:00 -
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Get a Varg or a Machi, and shield/cap xfer to them. Even at the Tengu's height, they still killed **** faster, you just have to pay more attention whilst doing so. The Tengu is, and probably still will be just easier, but that's really all.
Done!
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You haven't any business in a carrier until you learn everything there is to know about PvE+¡ng in one. Like, first. You will be a very nice killmail for every ganker in 3 constellations in short order, otherwise.
In irae, veritas. |
Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.11.11 14:57:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Get a Varg or a Machi, and shield/cap xfer to them. Even at the Tengu's height, they still killed **** faster, you just have to pay more attention whilst doing so. The Tengu is, and probably still will be just easier, but that's really all.
Done!
E:
You haven't any business in a carrier until you learn everything there is to know about PvE+¡ng in one. Like, first. You will be a very nice killmail for every ganker in 3 constellations in short order, otherwise.
How do you learn without owning one? |
xallexax
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.11 15:24:00 -
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Brent Newton wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Get a Varg or a Machi, and shield/cap xfer to them. Even at the Tengu's height, they still killed **** faster, you just have to pay more attention whilst doing so. The Tengu is, and probably still will be just easier, but that's really all.
Done!
E:
You haven't any business in a carrier until you learn everything there is to know about PvE+¡ng in one. Like, first. You will be a very nice killmail for every ganker in 3 constellations in short order, otherwise. How do you learn without owning one?
test server to learn the ship then always aligned and ready to pull off ? |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
388
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Posted - 2012.11.12 03:52:00 -
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xallexax wrote:Brent Newton wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Get a Varg or a Machi, and shield/cap xfer to them. Even at the Tengu's height, they still killed **** faster, you just have to pay more attention whilst doing so. The Tengu is, and probably still will be just easier, but that's really all.
Done!
E:
You haven't any business in a carrier until you learn everything there is to know about PvE+¡ng in one. Like, first. You will be a very nice killmail for every ganker in 3 constellations in short order, otherwise. How do you learn without owning one? test server to learn the ship then always aligned and ready to pull off ?
^^That,^^ just to start.
Also, research, talk to people you know you can trust who have one (assuming you know any that do), watch videos on YT and elsewhere...the usual. There is at least "some" information out there, go dig it up like a good EVE player should.
That, and roll/build a few cyno-alts --If it were mine, then I'd use at least two different ones, one to get you to the mission-system, another one stashed off in a dead-quiet system to act as a "Oh ****, time to GTFO NAOW" option.
(Just by the bye: Fit a cloak, Heavy neuts, and a couple smartbombs in the highs, and always be aligned to something that isn't immediately obvious.)
In irae, veritas. |
Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.11.12 17:24:00 -
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Yeah I think I've decided to get a thanatos at some point in the near future. Just need to make some isk first. CCP has not made that easy in the way of missions. The LP store is a disaster. I know they are fixing it so no need to mention that. 1.5b seems pretty cheap for a ship that is so much more powerful than any under it. Hell I spend at least that for a tengu fitted even half way well.
I will learn to use it before buying one ofc. I have several "friends" with a few. I still have a 60 day train just to be able to fly one not to mention the capital weapons and mods I don't have skill for yet. We'll see, but this tengu is probably not going to cut it for much longer.
The tengu is the simplest ship to use in lowsec missions, but last night I ran a faction mission with a carrier in it and I swear I spent nearly an hour and 10k heavy T2 missiles killing it. That was ridiculous. |
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
292
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:48:00 -
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Brent Newton wrote:So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for what ship I might try to mission in after the nerf bat beats my tengu to hell. It may turn out that the Tengu is still the best choice. I currently mission in a 2 man fleet tengu/basilisk. Maybe I should just double up on tengus and remote rep each other. I've considered going for a carrier next year, but I have no idea the logistics of flying such a large ship.
Anyway any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh I'm running L5 missions.
In theory the Tengu is getting a buff, the range on HAMS is getting increased, meaning you can apply that DPS quicker, when the patch comes, all you need to do is simply refit.
Unless my info is wrong and the Tengu is getting utterly nerfed. |
Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.11.13 21:18:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:Brent Newton wrote:So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for what ship I might try to mission in after the nerf bat beats my tengu to hell. It may turn out that the Tengu is still the best choice. I currently mission in a 2 man fleet tengu/basilisk. Maybe I should just double up on tengus and remote rep each other. I've considered going for a carrier next year, but I have no idea the logistics of flying such a large ship.
Anyway any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh I'm running L5 missions. In theory the Tengu is getting a buff, the range on HAMS is getting increased, meaning you can apply that DPS quicker, when the patch comes, all you need to do is simply refit. Unless my info is wrong and the Tengu is getting utterly nerfed.
EFT puts assault missiles a ways below heavies and doesn't even take into account range. Range isn't an issue. Damage is what matters, but I have pretty much made up my mind to move into a carrier. It will be a while before I have skill enough for one, but I swear I spent over an hour shooting at one carrier in a mission the other day and that is ridiculous. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
363
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:53:00 -
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Brent Newton wrote:Herr Ronin wrote:Brent Newton wrote:So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for what ship I might try to mission in after the nerf bat beats my tengu to hell. It may turn out that the Tengu is still the best choice. I currently mission in a 2 man fleet tengu/basilisk. Maybe I should just double up on tengus and remote rep each other. I've considered going for a carrier next year, but I have no idea the logistics of flying such a large ship.
Anyway any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh I'm running L5 missions. In theory the Tengu is getting a buff, the range on HAMS is getting increased, meaning you can apply that DPS quicker, when the patch comes, all you need to do is simply refit. Unless my info is wrong and the Tengu is getting utterly nerfed. EFT puts assault missiles a ways below heavies and doesn't even take into account range. Range isn't an issue. Damage is what matters, but I have pretty much made up my mind to move into a carrier. It will be a while before I have skill enough for one, but I swear I spent over an hour shooting at one carrier in a mission the other day and that is ridiculous.
Is your EFT taking into account the explosion radius reductions your HAM's will be getting post patch? |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
46
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Posted - 2012.11.14 01:07:00 -
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Brent Newton wrote:So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for what ship I might try to mission in after the nerf bat beats my tengu to hell. It may turn out that the Tengu is still the best choice. I currently mission in a 2 man fleet tengu/basilisk. Maybe I should just double up on tengus and remote rep each other. I've considered going for a carrier next year, but I have no idea the logistics of flying such a large ship.
Anyway any suggestions would be appreciated. Oh I'm running L5 missions.
tengu dosent take to heavy a nerf yeah may only do 65 - 70 on fury hml but its dps is neglagable at 40 dps from a 760 hml build but it gains a fair bit of tank due to t2 loseing there penalties and as far as i can tell itll just take a few extra voleys to kill the ships ( bs and a lot of criusers you wont notice the difference) in a nutshell you waste less of the overkill dps. |
Brent Newton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.11.14 08:09:00 -
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Well we'll see. |
Atmospheric Pressure
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.11.14 15:36:00 -
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I think it's hilarious how people actually suggest to go "test" a carrier on the test server, rofl.
It's no different than any other ship, you can even get it to align faster with a MWD than some battleships. Honestly it's probably cheaper to lose a carrier (with insurance) than it is to lose a mach/vargur.
You'll die if you're dumb, regardless of what ship you're in, and if you're not dumb, chances are you've already taken the appropriate precautions to not die.
As far as missioning goes, just stop missioning and leave it to the plebs. Tengu was also never the best for anything but blitzing level 4's in hostile space. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
405
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Posted - 2012.11.14 17:22:00 -
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I mission run dual boxing Mach and Tengu (usually with FoF missiles, Yea I said FoFs CCP, auto-targeting missiles my patootie). Even with the "nerf" I'm not changing a thing, that tengu will still be better/easier for killing of frigs threatening my mach than drones would be, especially after December 4.
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