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Astrovert
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:34:00 -
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So as i travel around, i have noticed ships that not only warp together, but do commands linked to one another.
When i say commands i mean like all turn their mining lasers on at the exact same moment say 20 at a time.
After talking around it appears CCP is allowing people to use programs that allow their 1 screen to control multiple
accounts instead of them having to do it individually. Now the game allows for fleet warp and such but doesnt allow for these
other features. Meaning by that, you have to seek a program outside EVE online to do this.
This is legal? Why? Shouldn't it be in the game if you wanted it there?
Or is it who cares they are paying for more accounts?
Im confused as to why this behavior is obviously promoted, and when i say promoted i mean you are doing nothing,
which in my book is the same thing. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
7
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:41:00 -
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So long as every ship action is the immediate cause of player input, everything is fine. That means that things that multiply clicks/commands across clients are fine, since every command the client gets is "fresh from the user". By contrast, a program that runs a particular command on an interval (like turning guns on, or something) is illegal and considered botting, since those commands are not a result of user input.
Hope that clears this up a bit. It's a common question, and the distinction is fine, but the bottom line is: if you aren't touching your keyboard/mouse, your ship(s) shouldn't be taking any new actions.
ISD LackOfFaith
Ensign
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
136
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:44:00 -
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It's not promoted, it's just legal according to numerous explanations you can find on forums. As long commands are given by human sitting in front of computer you are allowed to use command cloning software such as ISBoxer. Search button is wonderful thing, you should try it sometimes.
EDIT: damn you ISD guy, you beat me with your reasonable post :)
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
218
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:59:00 -
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I'ts pretty much "immersion breaking" if you see it happen but it's officially allowed, there's no rule against running multiple clients as long as they're not controlled by bots or macros.
Amat victoria curam. |
Astrovert
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:06:00 -
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Seems to me the answer is as long as CCP makes money.
If the game doesnt have this feature built in, it seems rather dumb they would allow something that obviously is not for the
better of this game.
Also to say the commands of the player are "fresh" when hes never even looked at the screen is comical. |
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Omni Galactic Resource Excavation Inc.
Tri-Star Galactic Industries
92
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:18:00 -
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I don't quite see why you're so ticked off about this. Every time an account does something, there is still a user behind it giving commands. It's not like a bot where you can just go afk. It's just a way of making it a little easier on guys with multiple accounts. What's the big deal?
http://eve-sojourn.blogspot.com/ |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:27:00 -
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Astrovert wrote:Also to say the commands of the player are "fresh" when hes never even looked at the screen is comical.
How would the player know when to issue the commands if he isn't looking at the screen? |
Astrovert
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:30:00 -
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Watching 2 players control 20 hulks 10 procurers and a Roraqual is all i ever would need to tell my friends about Eve Online.
The fact is they are controlling ships they never even watch the screen for but this isnt considered botting is a joke.
Definition of Bot....
computer program: a computer program performing routine or time-consuming tasks such as searching Web sites automatically or semi-independently ( usually used in combination )
Saying that the routine tasks of ship control are not being semi independently controlled is a lie. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
497
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:40:00 -
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Astrovert wrote:Seems to me the answer is as long as CCP makes money.
If the game doesnt have this feature built in, it seems rather dumb they would allow something that obviously is not for the
better of this game.
Also to say the commands of the player are "fresh" when hes never even looked at the screen is comical.
This shows how little you know about multiboxing
With ISboxer you have 1 main client and x slaves.
This means you fully look and control your main client and the slaves just copy the inputs.
So you ARE LOOKING at the screen.
tl:dr, Stop whining you can't multibox yourself and hate people who can.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
497
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:42:00 -
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Astrovert wrote:Watching 2 players control 20 hulks 10 procurers and a Roraqual is all i ever would need to tell my friends about Eve Online.
The fact is they are controlling ships they never even watch the screen for but this isnt considered botting is a joke.
Definition of Bot....
computer program: a computer program performing routine or time-consuming tasks such as searching Web sites automatically or semi-independently ( usually used in combination )
Saying that the routine tasks of ship control are not being semi independently controlled is a lie.
^ AKA more whining about something that is totally legit.
Thread reported as it has no link to New Citizen Q&A.
Next time: search tool will give you the answers, now go whine somewhere else
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
1081
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:44:00 -
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Basic rules are something like:
* Can't give an unfair advantage over other players. [example: keyboard sending multiple commands to one client]
* Can't interact directly with the client-server data stream.
* No automation. Must require player interaction.
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J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
498
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:46:00 -
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http://progressived3.com/speculation/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Selfcrafted-hardware.jpg
According to OP that photo is also a botting progam
As it does exactly the same as ISBoxer does, control multiple clients with 1 master input.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:47:00 -
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Astrovert wrote:The fact is they are controlling ships they never even watch the screen for but this isnt considered botting is a joke.
I can only repeat:Oraac Ensor wrote:How would the player know when to issue the commands if he isn't looking at the screen?
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J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
498
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Posted - 2012.11.08 23:51:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Astrovert wrote:The fact is they are controlling ships they never even watch the screen for but this isnt considered botting is a joke.
I can only repeat: Oraac Ensor wrote:How would the player know when to issue the commands if he isn't looking at the screen?
Oraac, spare your energy.
Clearly this OP isn't even smart enough to understand the difference, so I really am questioning his ability to read the replies let alone understand what it says.
I just get the feeling this guy is jealous about other multiboxing while he can't and tries to vent his anger about it here.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Astrovert
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.09 01:00:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Astrovert wrote:The fact is they are controlling ships they never even watch the screen for but this isnt considered botting is a joke.
I can only repeat: Oraac Ensor wrote:How would the player know when to issue the commands if he isn't looking at the screen? Oraac, spare your energy. Clearly this OP isn't even smart enough to understand the difference, so I really am questioning his ability to read the replies let alone understand what it says. I just get the feeling this guy is jealous about other multiboxing while he can't and tries to vent his anger about it here.
LOL JEALOUS OF MULTIBOXING LOL
CCP only doesnt do anything because its profitable for them not too.
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
Black Legion.
23
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Posted - 2012.11.09 02:17:00 -
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Astrovert wrote:So as i travel around, i have noticed ships that not only warp together, but do commands linked to one another.
When i say commands i mean like all turn their mining lasers on at the exact same moment say 20 at a time.
After talking around it appears CCP is allowing people to use programs that allow their 1 screen to control multiple
accounts instead of them having to do it individually. Now the game allows for fleet warp and such but doesnt allow for these
other features. Meaning by that, you have to seek a program outside EVE online to do this.
This is legal? Why? Shouldn't it be in the game if you wanted it there?
Or is it who cares they are paying for more accounts?
Im confused as to why this behavior is obviously promoted, and when i say promoted i mean you are doing nothing,
which in my book is the same thing.
It is really rather easy to see why. Folks who play this game for long tend to make multiple accounts and ccp makes money on every account that is live. More players in game = more money in the bank. Why would they want to discourage such behavior? |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.09 03:19:00 -
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Astrovert wrote:Seems to me the answer is as long as CCP makes money.
If the game doesnt have this feature built in, it seems rather dumb they would allow something that obviously is not for the
better of this game.
Also to say the commands of the player are "fresh" when hes never even looked at the screen is comical.
CCP is against botting, and that is why reporting a bot is very easy (just right click). There has also been a recent big initiative to get bots out of the game and improve life for everyone by doing so.
If you feel that what you are witnessing is botting or other exploiting the game for an unfair advantage, please report it and someone will address it in an official manner -- which will be way more productive and efficient than bickering about it on the forums.
ISD LackOfFaith
Ensign
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Astrovert
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.09 03:30:00 -
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Disastro wrote:Astrovert wrote:So as i travel around, i have noticed ships that not only warp together, but do commands linked to one another.
When i say commands i mean like all turn their mining lasers on at the exact same moment say 20 at a time.
After talking around it appears CCP is allowing people to use programs that allow their 1 screen to control multiple
accounts instead of them having to do it individually. Now the game allows for fleet warp and such but doesnt allow for these
other features. Meaning by that, you have to seek a program outside EVE online to do this.
This is legal? Why? Shouldn't it be in the game if you wanted it there?
Or is it who cares they are paying for more accounts?
Im confused as to why this behavior is obviously promoted, and when i say promoted i mean you are doing nothing,
which in my book is the same thing. It is really rather easy to see why. Folks who play this game for long tend to make multiple accounts and ccp makes money on every account that is live. More players in game = more money in the bank. Why would they want to discourage such behavior?
The problem being there is no mention of this at all in the beginning of the game. No mention of playing multiple accounts
simultaneously, and sure as hell no mention of 3rd party programs to do this.
Now if they went through all the work to "omit" these things, then by what means does it serve to not share this bit of information?
It appears CCP is not to proud from an outsiders perspective of this little loop hole. I cant remember in all their advertising or all
the webpages of their game mechanics of mutliboxing.
Now i can assume you probably havent played a different onilne game where multiboxing was present, but i have, and i can tell you it had a serious detrimental effect to the game. Of course the game masters didn't care there either as they were making a buck there too.
All i can say is im sad this is the way this game is allowed to play, now i can say assuredly that those 40,000 people they claim to be online is probably alot closer to 10,000. That and i wouldn't have bothered to obtain a subscription, i would rather play a game with a level playing field then who has the most money.
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Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
261
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Posted - 2012.11.09 05:27:00 -
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Astrovert wrote:Seems to me the answer is as long as CCP makes money.
If the game doesnt have this feature built in, it seems rather dumb they would allow something that obviously is not for the
better of this game.
Also to say the commands of the player are "fresh" when hes never even looked at the screen is comical.
Of course it fine if CCP make money. It's their game, their supercomputers that house it and their choice what they do with all of it.
CCP IS A BUSINESS. PLEASE EVERYONE STOP ACTING LIKE THEY SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN MONEY.
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
136
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Posted - 2012.11.09 08:49:00 -
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Why da hell do you even care how somebody else plays with their pixels? Does it affect you in any way?
And your saying "nobody told me you can play like this" is bullcrap, 5 seconds of search for "multiboxing eve online" would give you all info you need. Same as "how to run two clients", etc.
You think they bot? Report them. Oh, they didn't tell you about that button either... 
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Astrovert
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.09 09:39:00 -
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Yey 2 straight troll threads that really didn't add anything, i have to love this community even when they have
nothing to add they keep talking.
To say a player with 1 account is going to have the same experience in Eve Online as a player with
20 accounts linked playing the same ships with the same buttons is a farse.
Then to say this doesn't add any competitive advantage is a joke.
I was looking for a game where regardless of how many accounts i owned i wouldn't be forced to play
a particular style. You can say this is so, but then again your stupid enough to troll without even making a point.
This might seem fun for the guy with 20 accounts but for the new guy starting, its a big F*** it. Whats the point?
Huge disadvantage from the start which, honestly, cant be caught up without money.
Have fun with that game, i know i wont, or my friends, why waste my time? I would have to be pretty dumb to keep
throwing money to compete at this sort of stupidity. But then again i should have seen the writing on the wall
when you have articles and articles on the joys of botting LOL.
Im glad your all the hard crowd with 20 accounts linked so you can "compete", where i come from we call that a sucker. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
136
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Posted - 2012.11.09 09:41:00 -
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Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
GD Poljus
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.11.09 09:43:00 -
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Astrovert wrote:Yey 2 straight troll threads that really didn't add anything, i have to love this community even when they have
nothing to add they keep talking.
To say a player with 1 account is going to have the same experience in Eve Online as a player with
20 accounts linked playing the same ships with the same buttons is a farse.
Then to say this doesn't add any competitive advantage is a joke.
I was looking for a game where regardless of how many accounts i owned i wouldn't be forced to play
a particular style. You can say this is so, but then again your stupid enough to troll without even making a point.
This might seem fun for the guy with 20 accounts but for the new guy starting, its a big F*** it. Whats the point?
Huge disadvantage from the start which, honestly, cant be caught up without money.
Have fun with that game, i know i wont, or my friends, why waste my time? I would have to be pretty dumb to keep
throwing money to compete at this sort of stupidity. But then again i should have seen the writing on the wall
when you have articles and articles on the joys of botting LOL.
Im glad your all the hard crowd with 20 accounts linked so you can "compete", where i come from we call that a sucker.
Can I have your st.... O wait, you probably lost it to a gate camp and because 20 ships locked and fired at you, it must be a bot.
Go back to WoW and its Gold Farming bots.
Also:
1 Person with 20 Accounts > 5 People with 1 account |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
498
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Posted - 2012.11.09 09:50:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Why da hell do you even care how somebody else plays with their pixels? Does it affect you in any way? And your saying "nobody told me you can play like this" is bullcrap, 5 seconds of search for "multiboxing eve online" would give you all info you need. Same as "how to run two clients", etc. You think they bot? Report them. Oh, they didn't tell you about that button either...
I really wonder how limited his brain capacity is as he clearly can't do anything that isn't told to him.
As for OP:
I've read your bio, good luck finding a decent corp that wants a ******** person in it.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
498
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Posted - 2012.11.09 09:53:00 -
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Astrovert wrote:Yey 2 straight troll threads that really didn't add anything, i have to love this community even when they have
nothing to add they keep talking.
To say a player with 1 account is going to have the same experience in Eve Online as a player with
20 accounts linked playing the same ships with the same buttons is a farse.
Then to say this doesn't add any competitive advantage is a joke.
I was looking for a game where regardless of how many accounts i owned i wouldn't be forced to play
a particular style. You can say this is so, but then again your stupid enough to troll without even making a point.
This might seem fun for the guy with 20 accounts but for the new guy starting, its a big F*** it. Whats the point?
Huge disadvantage from the start which, honestly, cant be caught up without money.
Have fun with that game, i know i wont, or my friends, why waste my time? I would have to be pretty dumb to keep
throwing money to compete at this sort of stupidity. But then again i should have seen the writing on the wall
when you have articles and articles on the joys of botting LOL.
Im glad your all the hard crowd with 20 accounts linked so you can "compete", where i come from we call that a sucker.
HOW in the world is it you can't do what YOU want cause some other player has 20 accounts.
I know many people who jsut have 1 account (true some of them have 3 trained pilots on them) that have just as much fun as people with multiple accounts.
As having multiple accounts also means you can multiply the cost a month for each account.
But see you later, you won't be missed in EVE now go back to that rollercoaster MMO where everything is told to you what you can and can't do.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
498
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Posted - 2012.11.09 09:54:00 -
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GD Poljus wrote:Astrovert wrote:Yey 2 straight troll threads that really didn't add anything, i have to love this community even when they have
nothing to add they keep talking.
To say a player with 1 account is going to have the same experience in Eve Online as a player with
20 accounts linked playing the same ships with the same buttons is a farse.
Then to say this doesn't add any competitive advantage is a joke.
I was looking for a game where regardless of how many accounts i owned i wouldn't be forced to play
a particular style. You can say this is so, but then again your stupid enough to troll without even making a point.
This might seem fun for the guy with 20 accounts but for the new guy starting, its a big F*** it. Whats the point?
Huge disadvantage from the start which, honestly, cant be caught up without money.
Have fun with that game, i know i wont, or my friends, why waste my time? I would have to be pretty dumb to keep
throwing money to compete at this sort of stupidity. But then again i should have seen the writing on the wall
when you have articles and articles on the joys of botting LOL.
Im glad your all the hard crowd with 20 accounts linked so you can "compete", where i come from we call that a sucker. Can I have your st.... O wait, you probably lost it to a gate camp and because 20 ships locked and fired at you, it must be a bot. Go back to WoW and its Gold Farming bots.Also: 1 Person with 20 Accounts > 5 People with 1 account
That. Name any multiplayer game and there are bots etc in it.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
136
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Posted - 2012.11.09 09:56:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:
As for OP:
I've read your bio, good luck finding a decent corp that wants a ******** person in it.
Why did you make me read it too, WHY??? 
And yes, he is full of win. Great future awaits him among stars.
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
GD Poljus
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.11.09 09:59:00 -
[28] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:J'Poll wrote:
As for OP:
I've read your bio, good luck finding a decent corp that wants a ******** person in it.
Why did you make me read it too, WHY??? And yes, he is full of win. Great future awaits him among stars.
Bio makes me think this is a Butthurt goon posting with Alt thread |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground
Side Effect.
498
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Posted - 2012.11.09 10:01:00 -
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GD Poljus wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:J'Poll wrote:
As for OP:
I've read your bio, good luck finding a decent corp that wants a ******** person in it.
Why did you make me read it too, WHY??? And yes, he is full of win. Great future awaits him among stars. Bio makes me think this is a Butthurt goon posting with Alt thread
Hate to say this, but be nice. Even Goons have better quality players in them.
In before: ISD moderation of thread for trolling and personal attacks.
Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á
If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it.
We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
GD Poljus
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.11.09 10:08:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:GD Poljus wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:J'Poll wrote:
As for OP:
I've read your bio, good luck finding a decent corp that wants a ******** person in it.
Why did you make me read it too, WHY??? And yes, he is full of win. Great future awaits him among stars. Bio makes me think this is a Butthurt goon posting with Alt thread Hate to say this, but be nice. Even Goons have better quality players in them. In before: ISD moderation of thread for trolling and personal attacks.
Very true, thinking about it goons wouldn't want this guy with that kinda bio.
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
301
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Posted - 2012.11.09 12:01:00 -
[31] - Quote
This question of the original post has been answered and this thread no longer serves a useful purpose, especially here in New Citizens.
CCP Eterne | Community Representative
@CCP_Eterne |
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