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Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2005.04.15 12:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 15/04/2005 12:21:12 Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 15/04/2005 12:17:30 I was reading some old stuff during downtime and came across this from an old interview: (Interview with a Vampire?) Originally by: (mO0)j0rt (2003.06.28) teh problem with EvE is that all the fighting i have ever done has been at stargates and stations which makes it pretty dicciult to kill people, especially as most have microwarp now, it would be ncie if stuff like cloaking and tractor beams would be implimented :) We have cloaking and warp scramblers, but all the combat is still at gates and stations. Has anything really changed? -- All accounts cancelled - have fun guys
David Goodwill	Posted - 2005.04.15 12:32:00 - [2] The problem is that this is the only time when you are outside of warp. If you aint warping between stargates, or from a stargate to a station, you are at a ss. It might be nice to arrange a fight with ppl at a planet or summat, but tbh, 1 side will always try and cheat. Not many ppl are up for a fair fight nowadays. ----------------------------- Mating call of a pirate... "rarrggghhh, omg r0x0r, ph34r meeeee" Average age: 12..
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.04.15 12:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Jakk Graiseach Has anything really changed? No, gross grammer and spelling mistakes are still pretty common.
M'Ar Duk	Posted - 2005.04.15 12:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Jakk Graiseach Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 15/04/2005 12:21:12 Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 15/04/2005 12:17:30 We have cloaking and warp scramblers, but all the combat is still at gates and stations. Has anything really changed? Not really - at the time, gates and stations were the only strategic targets worth controlling. That list has expanded a little - POSes and all that - but it's always been the case that fights happen there because they're the only things worth fighting over/owning/whatever. Want good PvP? Go to the test server, join Fight Club, blow up ships fighting 1v1, 2v1, frigs v cruisers, it's all consensual and happy. (Ofc, if you post your kills from the test server, you are rendered eternally lame - PVP on singularity is fun, but it's only that.) Otherwise you may have a few serendipitous moments of well-matched PvP on tranq, but barring those it's all about safespotting, ganking and cloaked intel ships. -------------------- [20:08:23] CapNMurphi > Who the hell is M'Ar Duk? [20:08:59] StormyWaters2021 > The sun god, who dwells inside me. [20:09:27] CapNMurphi > In front or in back?
Jeretomi	Posted - 2005.04.15 13:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Dionysus Davinci Originally by: Jakk Graiseach Has anything really changed? No, gross grammer and spelling mistakes are still pretty common. I think you mean "grammar"
Wolla	Posted - 2005.04.15 13:40:00 - [6] yeah, i have noticed a change, Blob tactics, they suck, and lagg, you warp in, it laggs, half of the fleets are dead, shame really, but thats life, especially now there are UBER huge alliances.. now the tactic needed is to pick off the stragglers of the blob, lower the numbers, and hopefully have a chance. but from my experiance, once you lower the numbers of a blob, the go and hide/retreat. also, blobsdont need skill, or pvp experiance, its simply lock and fire, and hope for the best..
Dracorimus	Posted - 2005.04.15 14:16:00 - [7] Please please bring back good old fleet battles where people actually fight and not warp around as a blob in vain looking for the other huge blob that is hiding... Why hide ? If you dont wanna lose yer ships then dont join an alliance or go to 0.0 simple otherwise fight and make it interesting..... plzzz - -
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.04.15 17:00:00 - [8] Its a shame that most people's idea of pvp is whether or not the guy everyone is shooting at will it his warp out button in time or will he lag and die. 20 people on the killmail, oh so uber. Their idea of fighting outnumbered is fighting a blob with 10 more people in it, most of whom are in frigs. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Cary Grant	Posted - 2005.04.19 08:51:00 - [9] Originally by: David Goodwill The problem is that this is the only time when you are outside of warp. If you aint warping between stargates, or from a stargate to a station, you are at a ss. It might be nice to arrange a fight with ppl at a planet or summat, but tbh, 1 side will always try and cheat. Not many ppl are up for a fair fight nowadays. I agree, rarely do you ever see a pure 1-on-1 fight anymore.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2005.04.19 09:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Wolla also, blobsdont need skill, or pvp experiance, its simply lock and fire, and hope for the best.. Ask NSA about that -- 2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage.
DoctorDanny	Posted - 2005.04.19 13:05:00 - [11] I feel that the biggest change/improvement to the pvp system over the last couple of months has been the covert ops frigate. The ability to scout out camps before you attack them or to create a nice warp-in to snipers is really priceless. What would really be nice is a good working system for finding and reaching safespots/mission bookmarks and of course a cure to the logging disease.
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2005.04.20 11:35:00 - [12] Originally by: DoctorDanny I feel that the biggest change/improvement to the pvp system over the last couple of months has been the covert ops frigate. The ability to scout out camps before you attack them or to create a nice warp-in to snipers is really priceless. What would really be nice is a good working system for finding and reaching safespots/mission bookmarks and of course a cure to the logging disease. This works twofold though, carebears can now scout ahead and hide. :( ----- ----- -----
Truespin	Posted - 2005.04.20 11:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Vampire Blade Originally by: DoctorDanny I feel that the biggest change/improvement to the pvp system over the last couple of months has been the covert ops frigate. The ability to scout out camps before you attack them or to create a nice warp-in to snipers is really priceless. What would really be nice is a good working system for finding and reaching safespots/mission bookmarks and of course a cure to the logging disease. This works twofold though, carebears can now scout ahead and hide. :( It works even threefold, since now you will pretty much always know exactly what you're up against making people only fight when they know they can win. No longer warping in and see if you can take them, now it's mostly waiting for a cov ops to arrive and scout them out, and if you're not certain you can take them, you wait for backup. This is Tobiaz's alt and he hates the settings of these forums!!!
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.04.20 12:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Shin Ra Its a shame that most people's idea of pvp is whether or not the guy everyone is shooting at will it his warp out button in time or will he lag and die. 20 people on the killmail, oh so uber. Their idea of fighting outnumbered is fighting a blob with 10 more people in it, most of whom are in frigs. I'll take a fleet of 20 bs and 10 support in to battle over a fleet of 30 bs all day long, thanks.
Seto Mazzarotto	Posted - 2005.04.20 12:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Wolla also, blobsdont need skill, or pvp experiance, its simply lock and fire, and hope for the best.. Ask NSA about that Zing! The sad part is I was in the NSA about that time. ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll.
prawned	Posted - 2005.04.20 14:16:00 - [16] what is m0o?
Zarks	Posted - 2005.04.20 14:43:00 - [17] pvp is so much better now you cant even compare it. I just hope things keep on improving.
Mankind mkII	Posted - 2005.04.20 23:56:00 - [18] Can any1 else remeber when eve wasnt gate to gate travel and that when u jumped into a system u didnt spawn at gate but at a jump in point ?
fugazii	Posted - 2005.04.21 00:25:00 - [19] all went ****ty when they "fixed" launchers(no cruise in frigs/torps in cruisers ect), and took away dual ab/mwd's, and made it so hvy drones cant hit frigs.
Hyey	Posted - 2005.04.21 01:25:00 - [20] Originally by: fugazii all went **ty when they "fixed" launchers(no cruise in frigs/torps in cruisers ect), and took away dual ab/mwd's, and made it so hvy drones cant hit frigs. My thoughts exactly. Before when you had cruise missiles in all launchers and you still had dual ab/mwd's combat was quick and fun. I remember those days so clearly, and while I agree that 5km/s was a bit well erm unnaturally fast for combat it made everything fun. There was just more energy to pvping, it was simply more fun back then. Combat is too damn slow nowadays ~~ Hyey** I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.04.21 02:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Truespin It works even threefold, since now you will pretty much always know exactly what you're up against making people only fight when they know they can win. No longer warping in and see if you can take them, now it's mostly waiting for a cov ops to arrive and scout them out, and if you're not certain you can take them, you wait for backup. Speak for yourself. Taking on larger blobs and trying to win against the odds is half the fun. The fun is out there if you're willing to go get it. Eve Blacklight Style
Uggster	Posted - 2005.04.21 10:52:00 - [22] Art (or games in this case) immitates life. When in RL is there a "fair" fight ? Wether it is huge rich countries attacking small weak ones or a tiny tin-pot dictator trying to do a little land grabbing in some hardly cared for backwater it's the same; No side attacks the other unless they have a good chance of winning due to numbers, technological dominance or tactical information. Why should a new world inhabited by humans be any differant ?
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.04.21 11:44:00 - [23] Edited by: Kuolematon on 21/04/2005 11:44:45 I would do alot of PvPing and "seeking trouble in lowsec space" if I only knew for sure I would not get podded. Until then, my fsking expensive implants will stay on my head because of secure space, kthxbye. _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. (\_/) (x.x) This is what's left of Bunny, the rest tasted delicious.

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