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Rheya Kelvin
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Posted - 2011.10.03 16:08:00 -
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So, it's been almost 6 months since CCP stopped 3D vision from working & we were promised it to be turned back on again Summer time / 'later in the year'
Could a dev please shed a little light on this....
For those of you that don't know about Nvidia 3D Vision, google it now.
Eve looks Stunning in 3D! enhances the gameplay and actual scale of the game so much more..
Also to the other 3D gamers out there if you know a way to force eve into 3D please post here...
Thanks |

oematoema
The Muppet Show
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Posted - 2011.10.03 16:15:00 -
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[signature] Statement on behalf of CCP from Arnar Hrafn Gylfason, Senior Producer for EVE Online. Good communication and trust between CCP and the EVE community has always been a fundamental priority for CCP and will continue to be so. |

Meryl SinGarda
Homeworld Republic United Homeworlds
231
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Posted - 2011.10.03 16:16:00 -
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I don't mean to sound like a downer, cause really, I'm not, but I keep seeing this topic come back every month or so. I had always thought that 3D was just a gimmick, is it really worth getting into?
Fly Safe, Die Hard As stated by a fellow player, Mara Rinn, "EVE is not an internet spaceships game. It's a game of politics, subterfuge, capitalism, empire building and trust."-á
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Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.03 16:19:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:I don't mean to sound like a downer, cause really, I'm not, but I keep seeing this topic come back every month or so. I had always thought that 3D was just a gimmick, is it really worth getting into?
Trust me, if you played eve in 3D you would never go back.... That goes for most games infact.
Nvidia 3D Vision is 10x nicer than the rubbish you get at the cinema + better than 3DTV's...
Look into it |

Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
10
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Posted - 2011.10.03 16:28:00 -
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Never really been into 3D, but I'd definitely give it a shot with Eve if they ever put it back in...
Also, your avatar's boobs are redonkulous. |

Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.03 16:34:00 -
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Baby ChuChu wrote:Never really been into 3D, but I'd definitely give it a shot with Eve if they ever put it back in...
Also, your avatar's boobs are redonkulous.
Haha, it's a bought char...
Remember the tech jump from DVD to Bluray ?
Well in my honest opinion 2D to 3D gaming is almost the same as VHS to Bluray!
Battlefield 3 in 3D is going to be immense, find a friend that has Nvidia 3D vision and check it out...
No, I don't work for Nvidia, just really want CCP to support it again
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
73
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Posted - 2011.10.03 16:34:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:I don't mean to sound like a downer, cause really, I'm not, but I keep seeing this topic come back every month or so. I had always thought that 3D was just a gimmick, is it really worth getting into?
It makes probing much easier and makes the tactical overlay much more useful. |

J'Poll
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
2
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Posted - 2011.10.03 17:22:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:I don't mean to sound like a downer, cause really, I'm not, but I keep seeing this topic come back every month or so. I had always thought that 3D was just a gimmick, is it really worth getting into? It makes probing much easier and makes the tactical overlay much more useful. EDIT: Aside from the above, it doesn't really do much for EVE, because of the lack of perspective. Most objects are so far away that you can't perceive any depth on them, and the UI elements are rendered in 2d, not in the 3d environment. This means that all of your brackets seem to be "floating" in the middle of nowhere when you turn the 3d on.
What about your CQ and later on the entire station. How nice would it be to see some depth on the station and maybe even see your ship in it's hangar in 3D. Would give ship spinning a whole new level.
JP |

Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.03 17:23:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:I don't mean to sound like a downer, cause really, I'm not, but I keep seeing this topic come back every month or so. I had always thought that 3D was just a gimmick, is it really worth getting into? It makes probing much easier and makes the tactical overlay much more useful. EDIT: Aside from the above, it doesn't really do much for EVE, because of the lack of perspective. Most objects are so far away that you can't perceive any depth on them, and the UI elements are rendered in 2d, not in the 3d environment. This means that all of your brackets seem to be "floating" in the middle of nowhere when you turn the 3d on.
I guess you haven't experienced pvp + capital fights in it then, sure not all aspects are working correctly but the sense of scale which eve really lacks was seen from the 3d. |

N1gella Laws0n
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.10.03 17:27:00 -
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This thread is now about people who want to watch films in 3D but won't visit a theatre, where EVERYTHING is 3D. |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
60
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Posted - 2011.10.03 17:29:00 -
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N1gella Laws0n wrote:This thread is now about people who want to watch films in 3D but won't visit a theatre, where EVERYTHING is 3D. and you get headaches just by watching the movie for 10 minutes. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
47
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Posted - 2011.10.03 17:31:00 -
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Baby ChuChu wrote:
Also, your avatar's boobs are redonkulous.
Hence the thread about 3D... |

Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.03 18:22:00 -
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3d is a gimmick. kinda like motion controls. |

Maridius Kurvora
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.03 18:22:00 -
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Agreed with the thread OP. I've been searching for threads referencing 3D vision so I can force 3D back on as Incarna seems to have forced it to be disabled.
Older threads (pre-Incarna) do mention that the Devs have 3D vision in the office and were checking its level of support now and again. The issues with the interface rendering in 2D was mentioned by the Dev and that it would take a few weeks of recoding the interface to get it to work, such dedicated time to sort the issue was not an option, which is fair enough.
The threads I have found refer to the interval setting being the reason for it not allowing 3D 120Hz. It would be great to hear from CCP what state it's currently in. If it's just a case of allowing us to disable the interval option in the config it might be a quick fix. If it's a case that the new Incarna engine does not allow it to work at all then I'd accept that answer as well as it'll stop me from trying to get it to work in the first place.
As CCP and Nvidia are partners and after watching the Fanfests it does seem that CCP are working with them to implement current and future Nvidia hardware, it makes it a bit more hopefully that Nvidia 3D support may become an option in the future.
Taedrin wrote: EDIT: Aside from the above, it doesn't really do much for EVE, because of the lack of perspective. Most objects are so far away that you can't perceive any depth on them, and the UI elements are rendered in 2d, not in the 3d environment. This means that all of your brackets seem to be "floating" in the middle of nowhere when you turn the 3d on.
Agreed with Taedrin, there isn't a lot of scenery to give you a point of reference for depth, however, it's the ships that stand out. Even though 3D vision wasn't officially supported in the past the ships looked incredible. one of the best 3D scenes I've seen was a carrier undocking and nearly colliding with another carrier. You could finally see the scale of the ships as they slowly re-corrected themselves barely missing each other.
As for the headaches, if you have a low fps the flicker can cause headaches. I've had no issues with playing all day with 3D on, I don't wear glasses but the Nvidia ones are comfortable to the point where I don't notice them, I'm too lost in the game :P
tl;dr Would be great to have an update from CCP, if possible, it would be nice to be able to have the option to turn it on and off.
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Maridius Kurvora
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.03 18:28:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:3d is a gimmick. kinda like motion controls.
Motion controls take effort and open spaces, personally I'd rather sit in my chair. Certain games in 3D are outstanding, Portal 2 on a 3D projector is like adding an additional room to your home, you can force the depth and convergence up unlike in the cinema where you have minimal depth set all the time. |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
36
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Posted - 2011.10.03 19:08:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:3d is a gimmick. kinda like motion controls.
Till you walk outside and realize that it's here to stay.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

alwaysZeroHour
Intimate Exposure
1
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Posted - 2011.10.03 19:23:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:3d is a gimmick. kinda like motion controls.
Haters gonna hate..... dont post pointless crap.
3D is amazing, those that dont have it slag it, those that do know what I am talking about. |

Ragnar256
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:12:00 -
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Implemented properly, 3D seems to be quite a bit more than just a gimmik. I have the Nintendo 3DS myself, and when the 3D is implemented well, it makes quite a remarkable difference from my perspective. |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
60
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:26:00 -
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alwaysZeroHour wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:3d is a gimmick. kinda like motion controls. Haters gonna hate..... dont post pointless crap. 3D is amazing, those that dont have it slag it, those that do know what I am talking about.
I'll stop slag it once my head stops hurting.
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
141
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:35:00 -
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I'd buy into it, when ATI have a comparable product and when it's again enabled for EVE [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |

Digital Messiah
N7 Corporation
32
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:43:00 -
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3D has the exception that it actually does something. Where as when High Definition became huge it was really just a resolution. This TV now with 1920x1080! Or 1080p for example. Come see this new movie in high definition! Oh wait... We can't do that because it makes zero ******* sense. Like many other 3D does give me a headache. But hey some people like it, some people simply do not. I personally could careless about playing in 3D. That is of course until we have minority report status 3D interaction . "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" |

Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
74
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Posted - 2011.10.03 22:52:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Taedrin wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:I don't mean to sound like a downer, cause really, I'm not, but I keep seeing this topic come back every month or so. I had always thought that 3D was just a gimmick, is it really worth getting into? It makes probing much easier and makes the tactical overlay much more useful. EDIT: Aside from the above, it doesn't really do much for EVE, because of the lack of perspective. Most objects are so far away that you can't perceive any depth on them, and the UI elements are rendered in 2d, not in the 3d environment. This means that all of your brackets seem to be "floating" in the middle of nowhere when you turn the 3d on. What about your CQ and later on the entire station. How nice would it be to see some depth on the station and maybe even see your ship in it's hangar in 3D. Would give ship spinning a whole new level. JP
If I wanted to set my graphics card on fire, I would throw it into a bonfire  |

Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
142
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Posted - 2011.10.04 06:12:00 -
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/tridef-stereoscopic-3d-gaming,3019.html
Quite a good review of current 3Dness and games with ATI and NVidia.
Since i have an ATI card with a DP, i am thinking of now buying a decent 27" 3d monitor; even if CCP are using NVidia to work on their coding for 3D, it should still be ported easily to ATIs setup [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |

oematoema
The Muppet Show
20
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Posted - 2011.10.04 06:54:00 -
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Maridius Kurvora wrote:tl;dr Would be great to have an update from CCP, if possible, it would be nice to be able to have the option to turn it on and off.
You might as well ask for world peace. Also [signature]. Statement on behalf of CCP from Arnar Hrafn Gylfason, Senior Producer for EVE Online. Good communication and trust between CCP and the EVE community has always been a fundamental priority for CCP and will continue to be so. |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
74
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Posted - 2011.10.04 09:55:00 -
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they had a couple of monitors to play with last fanfest with the 3d all set up.
It would be great if you didnt have to wear those glasses.
Even though it was kinda cool, i still think its just a gimmick, the same goes with 3d at the cinema. |

Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.04 10:09:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:they had a couple of monitors to play with last fanfest with the 3d all set up.
It would be great if you didnt have to wear those glasses.
Even though it was kinda cool, i still think its just a gimmick, the same goes with 3d at the cinema.
Passive 3D monitors are currently being released so no need for 3D glasses, the quality isn't as good as the monitors that require glasses but give it time, so many people cry about having to wear the glasses so this will most likely be the solution in time...
3D isn't a gimmick, it'll be here to stay, I remember when people spoke about bluray in the same way, now it has been accepted by all.
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
60
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Posted - 2011.10.04 10:51:00 -
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Rheya Kelvin wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:they had a couple of monitors to play with last fanfest with the 3d all set up.
It would be great if you didnt have to wear those glasses.
Even though it was kinda cool, i still think its just a gimmick, the same goes with 3d at the cinema. Passive 3D monitors are currently being released so no need for 3D glasses, the quality isn't as good as the monitors that require glasses but give it time, so many people cry about having to wear the glasses so this will most likely be the solution in time... 3D isn't a gimmick, it'll be here to stay, I remember when people spoke about bluray in the same way, now it has been accepted by all.
it still makes my head hurt like hell.
also it's only not a gimmic because the theatres embraced it with the added bonus of cashing out more $$$. it's the only reason why it isn't a gimmic. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
74
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Posted - 2011.10.04 11:34:00 -
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the thing with the 3d glasses at the cinema, it makes the screen look so much smaller. I like the cinema screen to feel big.
Also, god help you if you already wear glasses to see... (Yo, i herd you liek glasses, so i put some glasses on your glasses..... etc)
I prefer going to the cinema to see non-3d films. Also, plenty of films in 3d seem to be 3d for the sake of it, THATS why its a gimmick.
[tinfoilhat] my personal stance on the subject is that 3D is only being pushed because it gives George Lucas yet another reason to re-release the starwars franchise on dvd again, but this time in THREEEE DEEEEEEE !!!!!oneoneone1 [/tinfoilhat] |

alwaysZeroHour
Intimate Exposure
2
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Posted - 2011.10.04 12:03:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:it still makes my head hurt like hell.
Have you actually tried it on a PC or is all this based on the cinema/tv?
Basically because your brain cant handle 3d its a gimmick so dont bother supporting it. The nice thing is the majority of normal people dont have the issues you have with 3D, its sad your brain has issues with it but some simply dont have the capacity to handle it but there is no point saying its a waste just because you cant experience it, that sir is being an *&%. |

A Lunchbox
Basgerin Pirate
0
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Posted - 2011.10.04 12:20:00 -
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Petitioning for 3d glasses in the NEX store. Not the new ones either, the 1980s blue and red ones. |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
60
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:14:00 -
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alwaysZeroHour wrote:Grimpak wrote:it still makes my head hurt like hell. Have you actually tried it on a PC or is all this based on the cinema/tv? Basically because your brain cant handle 3d its a gimmick so dont bother supporting it. The nice thing is the majority of normal people dont have the issues you have with 3D, its sad your brain has issues with it but some simply dont have the capacity to handle it but there is no point saying its a waste just because you cant experience it, that sir is being an *&%.
yes I have.
I got a headache for watching it. Even watching those passive 3D screens that don't require glasses makes my eyesight more tired than usual. Basically watching anything 3D for half hour is the same thing as watching something for 4 hours straight.
and no I'm not saying to stop supporting it, I'm just complaining about how my eyes can't handle it.
also it is a gimmick. a very successful one at that, since the only thing that provides is WOW factor. Sure it looks awesome, but that's all that really provides in the end, an "AWESOME!" feeling that will fade away after you watch if enough times.
it also makes my movie ticket expensive, and THAT'S what I hate the most. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Verone
Veto Corp
57
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Posted - 2011.10.04 17:05:00 -
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Tried Eve in 3D at Fanfest, vastly prefer 2D tbh.
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |

alwaysZeroHour
2
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Posted - 2011.10.04 18:16:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:alwaysZeroHour wrote:Grimpak wrote:it still makes my head hurt like hell. Have you actually tried it on a PC or is all this based on the cinema/tv? Basically because your brain cant handle 3d its a gimmick so dont bother supporting it. The nice thing is the majority of normal people dont have the issues you have with 3D, its sad your brain has issues with it but some simply dont have the capacity to handle it but there is no point saying its a waste just because you cant experience it, that sir is being an *&%. yes I have. I got a headache for watching it. Even watching those passive 3D screens that don't require glasses makes my eyesight more tired than usual. Basically watching anything 3D for half hour is the same thing as watching something for 4 hours straight. and no I'm not saying to stop supporting it, I'm just complaining about how my eyes can't handle it. also it is a gimmick. a very successful one at that, since the only thing that provides is WOW factor. Sure it looks awesome, but that's all that really provides in the end, an "AWESOME!" feeling that will fade away after you watch if enough times. it also makes my movie ticket expensive, and THAT'S what I hate the most.
You should probably go and play pong, everything else was just adding "awesome" who cares about advancing things. Dx11 nah, it just adds gloss, dx1 thats the win.... FAIL.... |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
60
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Posted - 2011.10.04 19:11:00 -
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alwaysZeroHour wrote:You should probably go and play pong, everything else was just adding "awesome" who cares about advancing things. Dx11 nah, it just adds gloss, dx1 thats the win.... FAIL....
oh now you're just trolling [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

alwaysZeroHour
2
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Posted - 2011.10.04 22:19:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:alwaysZeroHour wrote:You should probably go and play pong, everything else was just adding "awesome" who cares about advancing things. Dx11 nah, it just adds gloss, dx1 thats the win.... FAIL.... oh now you're just trolling 
hehe yep ;) |

Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:07:00 -
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Now that Incarna is on the back burner + ship spinning is most likely coming back...
Go turn on 3D vision again CCP. |

xaja
yoni corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:33:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:I'll stop slag it once my head stops hurting.
You just have crappy gear.
A lot of the older 3D glasses are crap, any interference and they go out of sync constantly. Further, any fluerescent lighting in your room can mess it up, cause they flicker at 60Hz
There's a number of current 2011 models of 3D glasses that deal with that problem.
The other option would be to just go to the polarized systems. Cuts down resolution somewhat, but has the benefit of your glasses not needing batteries and being lighter weight. |

xaja
yoni corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:43:00 -
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Headerman wrote:I'd buy into it, when ATI have a comparable product and when it's again enabled for EVE
ATI / AMD does have a comparable, or by some accounts better product.
Nvidia's 3D solution is proprietary, only people they specifically partner with can make glasses or screens for that.
AMD's 3D solution is an open standard with published and freely available APIs. There are 3D drivers for Radeon cards from 3 different companies you can download. The one I use supports every 3D technology I've ever heard of, like 8 or 9 of them (I didn't even know there were that many)
The upshot is, no matter what screen you use, you can use it for 3D with Radeon cards, so long as the screen supports 120 Hz refresh.
I don't know in how far these drivers would depend on a Game like EVE allowing or denying 3D, so far, I've been able to render anything in 3D, whether it officially supported it or not. Of course, any given card has to be strong enough to supply sufficient frames per second.
So, if you plan on playing Metro in 3D, you better have enough cash to cough up for the very latest cards. |

KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
16
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:52:00 -
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alwaysZeroHour wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:3d is a gimmick. kinda like motion controls. Haters gonna hate..... dont post pointless crap. 3D is amazing, those that dont have it slag it, those that do know what I am talking about.
Not necessarily. 3D has been known to cause headaches. And if you suffer from Myopia or Hyperopia then you can't perceive the 3D effect very well, which covers a fairly large portion of the population.
I think the biggest reason 3D is referred to as "Gimmicky" is because when someone implements 3D, they go for an "OOH LOOK, 3D!!!11oneone111!" moment, commonly including those moments where random objects fly straight towards the screen for no ******* reason at all. The technology is arguably not a gimmick, the application of it almost always is. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |

xaja
yoni corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:09:00 -
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KFenn wrote:Not necessarily. 3D has been known to cause headaches. For a reason: the flicker of badly synced glasses or fluorescent light messing up the effect.
without specific issues, 3D hasn't caused anybody headaches, or do you see a lot of people walking around outside holding their heads? - Oh never mind, I guess that must be the reason for all the OTC headache pills that have been selling well since the invention of Aspirin sometime in the 1800's... that damned third dimension we always have to deal with. 
KFenn wrote:And if you suffer from Myopia or Hyperopia then you can't perceive the 3D effect very well, which covers a fairly large portion of the population. What? A fairly large portion of the human population or just your family?
.....like what percentage do you regard as "fairly large"?
I guess all those Japanese, Taiwanese and Koreans should just stop working on making better 3D, cause there's a bunch of handicapped people who don't get anything out of it.
You go get people to stop building stairwells too, those aren't fair either.... |
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CCP Solomon
C C P C C P Alliance
64

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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:11:00 -
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We are actively working to return this feature to EVE but there is currently no ETA. Keep those spectacles primed  Associate Technical Producer - Carbon |
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xaja
yoni corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:15:00 -
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CCP Solomon wrote:We are actively working to return this feature to EVE but there is currently no ETA. Keep those spectacles primed 
YAY for that! 
There must be some devious plan here though, CCP always keeps me looking forward to the next thing since 2003  |

KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
16
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:54:00 -
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xaja wrote:KFenn wrote:Not necessarily. 3D has been known to cause headaches. For a reason: the flicker of badly synced glasses or fluorescent light messing up the effect. without specific issues, 3D hasn't caused anybody headaches, or do you see a lot of people walking around outside holding their heads? - Oh never mind, I guess that must be the reason for all the OTC headache pills that have been selling well since the invention of Aspirin sometime in the 1800's... that damned third dimension we always have to deal with. 
Actually, the issue comes from convergence vs. focus. Stereoscopic 3D images aren't actually 3D - it's a 2D image that flickers rapidly between what your left and right eye would see, and the glasses are synced to the image to make sure that each eye only sees the correct image.
Now, when you have a particularly deep stereoscopic image your eyes will adjust their focus to try and focus on the deeper objects. But because the object isn't actually there, it's on a 2D screen that's a fixed distance away, you're asking your eyes to converge on one point, and focus on another. And that's not the way eyes work in real 3D (also known as Stereopsis or depth perception) so you can't compare the two.
xaja wrote:KFenn wrote:And if you suffer from Myopia or Hyperopia then you can't perceive the 3D effect very well, which covers a fairly large portion of the population. What?  A fairly large portion of the human population or just your family? .....like what percentage do you regard as "fairly large"? I guess all those Japanese, Taiwanese and Koreans should just stop working on making better 3D, cause there's a bunch of handicapped people who don't get anything out of it. You go get people to stop building stairwells too, those aren't fair either....
You have no ******* clue what either condition is, do you? Myopia and Hyperopia are short and long-sightedness, respectively, and they affect a good portion (not a majority) of the population. Don't just flame when you don't even understand what you're talking about. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |

Juil
Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
27
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:24:00 -
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KFenn wrote:xaja wrote:KFenn wrote:Not necessarily. 3D has been known to cause headaches. For a reason: the flicker of badly synced glasses or fluorescent light messing up the effect. without specific issues, 3D hasn't caused anybody headaches, or do you see a lot of people walking around outside holding their heads? - Oh never mind, I guess that must be the reason for all the OTC headache pills that have been selling well since the invention of Aspirin sometime in the 1800's... that damned third dimension we always have to deal with.  Actually, the issue comes from convergence vs. focus. Stereoscopic 3D images aren't actually 3D - it's a 2D image that flickers rapidly between what your left and right eye would see, and the glasses are synced to the image to make sure that each eye only sees the correct image. Now, when you have a particularly deep stereoscopic image your eyes will adjust their focus to try and focus on the deeper objects. But because the object isn't actually there, it's on a 2D screen that's a fixed distance away, you're asking your eyes to converge on one point, and focus on another. And that's not the way eyes work in real 3D (also known as Stereopsis or depth perception) so you can't compare the two. xaja wrote:KFenn wrote:And if you suffer from Myopia or Hyperopia then you can't perceive the 3D effect very well, which covers a fairly large portion of the population. What?  A fairly large portion of the human population or just your family? .....like what percentage do you regard as "fairly large"? I guess all those Japanese, Taiwanese and Koreans should just stop working on making better 3D, cause there's a bunch of handicapped people who don't get anything out of it. You go get people to stop building stairwells too, those aren't fair either.... You have no ******* clue what either condition is, do you? Myopia and Hyperopia are short and long-sightedness, respectively, and they affect a good portion (not a majority) of the population. Don't just flame when you don't even understand what you're talking about.
Given I am Short Sighted.. in vision and I can wear 3D glasses with out a problem and get the 3D effect I don't see the problem.. the biggest 'issue' with 3D glasses is the fact that you either have to wear them OVER your existing Glasses which can cause issues with the Lens or you have to be wearing Contacts.. which can cause for some people their own issues...
Plus most TV's are using the 'flicker' option, one lens opens the other closes.. at really fast rates of speed, This can and WILL cause headaches and set off Epileptic Fits faster then a psychodellic disco ball.. especially for those who are epileptic and those who's eyes can actually follow high refresh rates (Those who typically get a headache from CRT's with a Refresh lower then 75hrtz.
On the other hand, Polarised Lighting, which is how many of the threaters do 3D is completely diffrent, there is no flickering it's simply two images and a polorised light filter over your eye.. one clockwise the other anti.. and you get to see what is projected at that polarised wave length.
As much as people want to say 3D is a 'gimmick' sorry guys but given the amount of 3D camera's and everything else now entering the industry.. 3D is here to stay.. though how they can call it 3D is beyond me, it's not 3D.. it's 2.5D or 2D with Depth Perspective, 3D would be a f'n projected Hologram. |

Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom Ushra'Khan
5
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Posted - 2011.10.08 08:41:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_film#Early_systems_of_stereoscopic_filmmaking_.28pre-1952.29
so 3D simulation has been around for nearly 90 years.
passing fad? |

Sir Samaar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.18 09:39:00 -
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3D Vision is absolutly awsome. I play alot Trackmania2 atm and it looks so cool when you ride all the canyon tracks. 2D is just a car racing game 3d is an experiance. So please spend some resources of your developer team to bring it back asap. Don't be stupit and use 3D or other will do it. And the best you don't need to develop it, its already there. |

Lord Wamphyri
Starside Lost
63
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Posted - 2011.10.18 09:49:00 -
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I really wish I could enjoy 3D. I really do.
Unfortunately I suffer from a form of epilepsy and trying to watch a film or play a game in 3D is the quickest way of triggering a seizure for me, whether it's using glasses or not.
The strange thing is my epilepsy is not photosensitive so flickering lights don't trigger them, but trying to wrap my eyes around this new 3D does .. which was kinda embarrasing when I tried a Nintendo 3DS in our local Walmart. One second I was watching some 3D puppies (not a metaphor ) the next I was looking up at some worried looking shop assistants.. |

Djanko Zein
The Sith Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 11:30:00 -
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Subscribe to the issue. I'm too want very much, that CCP turn back stereoscopic mode. |

Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2011.11.05 11:35:00 -
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I'm just waiting for this wave of 3D hype to pass.. Remember trying those 3D glasses as a kid back in the 80's, didn't like it then and probaly never will.. F&ID: Skill Training, Agent Finder What is CCP Guard gonna do with that grenade? |

Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
3
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Posted - 2011.11.05 12:21:00 -
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Until 3D has motion sensors on your glasses and the view changes depending on how you view it, it's just a 3D perspective from a single position. Apart from a feeling of depth, it brings nothing new or exciting.
What is funny is that films have realized that 3D can actually make a film worse. 2D films used to make obejects out of focus to give a sense of depth and emphasise the primary action area, which would still be in focus. If you go 3D, everything is in focus, so you lose the emphasis on the bit you are meant to be concentrating on. |

Nutbolt
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.11.05 12:32:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:Until 3D has motion sensors on your glasses and the view changes depending on how you view it, it's just a 3D perspective from a single position. Apart from a feeling of depth, it brings nothing new or exciting.
http://www.vuzix.com/consumer/products_vr920_support.html
Yer reviews are crap but.... :) |

Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:19:00 -
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Any updates ? |

Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:44:00 -
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To the top ^ |

Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
13
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:53:00 -
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@Rheya: He already answered that question:
CCP Solomon wrote:We are actively working to return this feature to EVE but there is currently no ETA. Keep those spectacles primed  ETA = Estimated time available
no ETA = he can't tell now, when exactly it will be available
and round about 6 weeks are not much time for all those things requested. |

Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
281
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:00:00 -
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Rheya Kelvin wrote:Dev's...... Are we going to be seeing 3D vision implemented into the November release ???
God I hope not, lets invest time and effort into something more then 1% of the people playing eve actually uses, let alone the fact that since not everyone uses NVID 3D and CCP has a love afair for NVID it probably won't work on those people who can play 3D but use ATI. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |

Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:09:00 -
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It worked for years before hand, I believe they turned it off when the 'walking in stations' crap came out...
Now thats on the back burner why not turn it back on again, sure it wasn't perfect, the GUI wasn't 3D but the rest of the Graphics were pretty epic.... watching supercapital fights / the undock in jita was pretty stunning.
As for the ATI 3d.... well... They shouldn't be buying ATI anyway. |

Rheya Kelvin
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:28:00 -
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Gerald Taric wrote:@Rheya: He already answered that question: CCP Solomon wrote:We are actively working to return this feature to EVE but there is currently no ETA. Keep those spectacles primed  ETA = Estimated time available no ETA = he can't tell now, when exactly it will be available and round about 6 weeks are not much time for all those things requested.
ETA stands for 'Estimate Time of Arrival' btw...
Also, it's plently of time imo |

Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
14
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Posted - 2011.11.16 16:50:00 -
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Rheya Kelvin wrote:ETA stands for 'Estimate Time of Arrival' btw...
Also, it's plently of time imo
No & No
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_time_of_arrival EVE is not a train. It's a product and project from/at CCP.
Remember: There are many other features/bugfixes intended to be included in the next release. And we read something about reduced staff, right? Therefore 6 weeks are not much time.
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alwaysZeroHour
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 17:01:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:What is funny is that films have realized that 3D can actually make a film worse. 2D films used to make obejects out of focus to give a sense of depth and emphasise the primary action area, which would still be in focus. If you go 3D, everything is in focus, so you lose the emphasis on the bit you are meant to be concentrating on.
Fail, live action uses 2 camera which gives 2 perspectives but only one focal depth..... The whole 3d world is not sharp unless they want it to using cgi/extra cameras. |

RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
138
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Posted - 2011.11.16 17:22:00 -
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wait until you see doom - it's 3d not like wolfinstien .....
http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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