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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2012.11.14 04:03:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Soulless Brutor wrote:X Gal if you haven't noticed the caldari that are left don't like to sit in a plex unless there is a fight, to be had. At this point I don't believe we honestly care. Haven't talked to a few people over at Kraken and elsewhere, I would say that this is true. I would also say that this is true for most of Gal Mil too. Most of the "heavy lifting" done on Gal Mil side is only done by a few corps and the same can be said for Caldari. Let's face it; plexing is boring. I think BM said it best when it comes to playstyles in FW;
- There are those who like to see pretty explosions . Eg; they'll only come to a plex if there is a fight to be had
- There are those who play for strategic reasons. Eg; they like to plex for WZ control, slight RPing, and forum epeening.
The bulk of FW players are the former. A few consists of the latter.
Too bad there wasn't a 3rd or maybe I'd still log in to play..
People that actually PVP'ed for the challenge of win or lose, instead of what EVE is over run with and that's people whom are scared to lose their shinys. This game got very boring when every fight was always against the same type of players that would never fight with out a sure win to back them up.
Seems you guys have gotten what you always wanted.. No fight. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:47:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:Soulless Brutor wrote:X Gal if you haven't noticed the caldari that are left don't like to sit in a plex unless there is a fight, to be had. At this point I don't believe we honestly care. Haven't talked to a few people over at Kraken and elsewhere, I would say that this is true. I would also say that this is true for most of Gal Mil too. Most of the "heavy lifting" done on Gal Mil side is only done by a few corps and the same can be said for Caldari. Let's face it; plexing is boring. I think BM said it best when it comes to playstyles in FW;
- There are those who like to see pretty explosions . Eg; they'll only come to a plex if there is a fight to be had
- There are those who play for strategic reasons. Eg; they like to plex for WZ control, slight RPing, and forum epeening.
The bulk of FW players are the former. A few consists of the latter. Too bad there wasn't a 3rd or maybe I'd still log in to play.. People that actually PVP'ed for the challenge of win or lose, instead of what EVE is over run with and that's people whom are scared to lose their shinys. This game got very boring when every fight was always against the same type of players that would never fight with out a sure win to back them up. Seems you guys have gotten what you always wanted.. No fight.
Thing is that if you form corporation in FW, (like PERVS and draketraing were), no one really wanted to fight against them in FW, so you have to find targets outside of FW to fight (that is why militias want to kill neutrals together).
So no point to even try anything bigger in FW, if you want something bigger just go some 0.0 corp/alliance where bigger fleets have some change to get fights.
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Arkadi Gavriil
Progressive State State Section 9
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:38:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:i do really want tier 5 lp shop, easiest way. so take systems, as you have noticed there is not much resistance This is really the biggest problem with Eve Online in general - Conquering space when there is no real opposition is a huge, boring, tedious grindfest.
Spot on. The whole LP store/Tier bonus system has turned what used to be a nice little system for small gangs and solo pilots to PVP and run tactical operations for system occupancy into a market game. Im not opposed to rewards for plexes/kills but it does seem to be all about the ISK/LP these days.
CCP seems to be on the right track to fixing this though so fingers crossed... |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2012.11.15 11:20:00 -
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Arkadi Gavriil wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:i do really want tier 5 lp shop, easiest way. so take systems, as you have noticed there is not much resistance This is really the biggest problem with Eve Online in general - Conquering space when there is no real opposition is a huge, boring, tedious grindfest. Spot on. The whole LP store/Tier bonus system has turned what used to be a nice little system for small gangs and solo pilots to PVP and run tactical operations for system occupancy into a market game. Im not opposed to rewards for plexes/kills but it does seem to be all about the ISK/LP these days. CCP seems to be on the right track to fixing this though so fingers crossed...
only way to fix fw is to remove LP store :) |
SAJUK NIGARRA
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.11.15 12:13:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:
Thing is that if you form corporation in FW, (like PERVS and draketraing were), no one really wanted to fight against them in FW, so you have to find targets outside of FW to fight (that is why militias want to kill neutrals together).
So no point to even try anything bigger in FW, if you want something bigger just go some 0.0 corp/alliance where bigger fleets have some change to get fights.
Thing is, FW provides you with a very important benefit. Your members can still find solo or small gang pvp outside peak times which are dedicated for fleets. If you are too big and other ppl in FW will not fight you, Snuff will, BALEX will, etc. Not to mention that entities like FA, RZR or untill soon Ev0ke have plenty of assets in the area and poking them is enough to kickstart a fight.
So in that regard, I really don't think a FW entity that has gotten too big for FW should necesssarily look at moving twoards sov warfare as the only option to get fights. Sure, such entity will suffocate FW as we do at the moment, but hey, we're selfish enough not to care. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2012.11.15 12:29:00 -
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SAJUK NIGARRA wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:
Thing is that if you form corporation in FW, (like PERVS and draketraing were), no one really wanted to fight against them in FW, so you have to find targets outside of FW to fight (that is why militias want to kill neutrals together).
So no point to even try anything bigger in FW, if you want something bigger just go some 0.0 corp/alliance where bigger fleets have some change to get fights.
Thing is, FW provides you with a very important benefit. Your members can still find solo or small gang pvp outside peak times which are dedicated for fleets. If you are too big and other ppl in FW will not fight you, Snuff will, BALEX will, etc. Not to mention that entities like FA, RZR or untill soon Ev0ke have plenty of assets in the area and poking them is enough to kickstart a fight. So in that regard, I really don't think a FW entity that has gotten too big for FW should necesssarily look at moving twoards sov warfare as the only option to get fights. Sure, such entity will suffocate FW as we do at the moment, but hey, we're selfish enough not to care.
Are you sure that some people want to have small scale pvp against me?
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
625
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Posted - 2012.11.15 14:25:00 -
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Arkadi Gavriil wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:i do really want tier 5 lp shop, easiest way. so take systems, as you have noticed there is not much resistance This is really the biggest problem with Eve Online in general - Conquering space when there is no real opposition is a huge, boring, tedious grindfest. Spot on. The whole LP store/Tier bonus system has turned what used to be a nice little system for small gangs and solo pilots to PVP and run tactical operations for system occupancy into a market game. Im not opposed to rewards for plexes/kills but it does seem to be all about the ISK/LP these days. CCP seems to be on the right track to fixing this though so fingers crossed... It is what you make it. FW is a great system for people who use it the way it is intended. It's also a good system for farmers. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.11.15 14:44:00 -
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Intaki is a pirate free zone. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
293
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Posted - 2012.11.15 18:10:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Arkadi Gavriil wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:i do really want tier 5 lp shop, easiest way. so take systems, as you have noticed there is not much resistance This is really the biggest problem with Eve Online in general - Conquering space when there is no real opposition is a huge, boring, tedious grindfest. Spot on. The whole LP store/Tier bonus system has turned what used to be a nice little system for small gangs and solo pilots to PVP and run tactical operations for system occupancy into a market game. Im not opposed to rewards for plexes/kills but it does seem to be all about the ISK/LP these days. CCP seems to be on the right track to fixing this though so fingers crossed... It is what you make it. FW is a great system for people who use it the way it is intended. It's also a good system for farmers.
now tell me how it is intended to use? |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
238
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:30:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Arkadi Gavriil wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:i do really want tier 5 lp shop, easiest way. so take systems, as you have noticed there is not much resistance This is really the biggest problem with Eve Online in general - Conquering space when there is no real opposition is a huge, boring, tedious grindfest. Spot on. The whole LP store/Tier bonus system has turned what used to be a nice little system for small gangs and solo pilots to PVP and run tactical operations for system occupancy into a market game. Im not opposed to rewards for plexes/kills but it does seem to be all about the ISK/LP these days. CCP seems to be on the right track to fixing this though so fingers crossed... It is what you make it. FW is a great system for people who use it the way it is intended. It's also a good system for farmers. now tell me how it is intended to use?
a) Choose ship of choice b) Roam around looking for people in plexes, or put yourself into a plex that restricts what you want to fight and wait c) Shoot people that come in, or make some ISK if they don't
Intended result: Lots of people in varied pvp ships roaming around making ISK and happily shooting each other. More PVP, lots of fun. |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
294
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:55:00 -
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chatgris wrote:
a) Choose ship of choice b) Roam around looking for people in plexes, or put yourself into a plex that restricts what you want to fight and wait c) Shoot people that come in, or make some ISK if they don't
Intended result: Lots of people in varied pvp ships roaming around making ISK and happily shooting each other. More PVP, lots of fun.
and where was the fun part? |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
238
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Posted - 2012.11.15 21:57:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:chatgris wrote:
a) Choose ship of choice b) Roam around looking for people in plexes, or put yourself into a plex that restricts what you want to fight and wait c) Shoot people that come in, or make some ISK if they don't
Intended result: Lots of people in varied pvp ships roaming around making ISK and happily shooting each other. More PVP, lots of fun.
and where was the fun part?
The pvp! I know you aren't in FW for the pvp, but most people I know are. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
625
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Posted - 2012.11.15 22:53:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:now tell me how it is intended to use? Obviously, to get a little pvp between sessions of World of Tanks. |
Mawderator
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
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Posted - 2012.11.16 12:50:00 -
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Ariada Valentine wrote:Intaki has at long last been returned to Gallente control after an extended Caldari occupation.
This isn't Interstellar Summit.
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