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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1571
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Posted - 2012.11.13 14:02:00 -
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What a lovely gesture, the Casino that takes all your money gave a tiny bit of it back to players that didnt really need it.
super! TK is recruiting |

Ancyker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
10
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Posted - 2012.11.13 14:02:00 -
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Hitego Luna wrote:I can see how some developers are excited at the prospect of all Open teams having more ISK to put on a better show when the tournament begins. Also, the entry of EVE into e-sports is an great step to attract and introduce more users into EVE Online.
However, everyone should remember that every ticket in regular lotteries n Somer Blink has less expected value than what it costs to buy the ticket. Promotions put on by Blink only give back a fraction of the massive profits they make.
Put another way, every player that plays Blink is a loser in the long run.
I'm not sure how encouraging the taking of ISK from a huge number of players, a lot of whom do not know any better, and creating wealth for a single entity is conducive to the health of the player base in EVE Online.
And you are stupid if you don't think that the people playing know this. True gambling addicts aside, most people know when they gamble the house always wins. They play for fun. They do not lose even when they do not win because (presumably) they had fun. You pay for EVE and make nothing off of it, it's a game, you play it for fun -- not to make money. Blink is no different.
That aside, I've put about 2.5b into blink and taken out 3.5b, so... not everyone loses... ;)
Somer choosing to give some of it back is pretty cool, whether she makes it back in a week or a month or a year it still is going to mean a lot to the teams and it's going to make the show pretty interesting. |

nikon56
UnSkilleD Inc. Reverberation Project
7
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Posted - 2012.11.13 14:04:00 -
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Hitego Luna wrote:I can see how some developers are excited at the prospect of all Open teams having more ISK to put on a better show when the tournament begins. Also, the entry of EVE into e-sports is an great step to attract and introduce more users into EVE Online.
However, everyone should remember that every ticket in regular lotteries n Somer Blink has less expected value than what it costs to buy the ticket. Promotions put on by Blink only give back a fraction of the massive profits they make.
Put another way, every player that plays Blink is a loser in the long run.
I'm not sure how encouraging the taking of ISK from a huge number of players, a lot of whom do not know any better, and creating wealth for a single entity is conducive to the health of the player base in EVE Online. nobody forces nobody to buy tickets, end of story |

Hitego Luna
Minmatar United Freedom Front The 11th Hour Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.11.13 15:10:00 -
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Ancyker wrote:
That aside, I've put about 2.5b into blink ... [truncated]
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Yes this will make the Open tournament more interesting and better for the teams involved, however Somer Blink has considered the profit possible to be made off of the eve player base by having their name in the login screen news on a regular basis, and it far exceeds any "donation" that they have made to the community.
Any profit you have made off of Blink is because you are a lucky fish. I have made a lot of money off of idiots like you at poker. Please keep on playing like you do, you'll go broke. |

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited Superior Eve Engineering
106
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Posted - 2012.11.13 15:29:00 -
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+1 GÖÑ for Somer
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SpeedY G0nZaleZ
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2012.11.13 15:40:00 -
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Thanks Somer. Exotic Dancers and Frentix. |

Abulurd Boniface
Shadow State SpaceMonkey's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2012.11.13 15:55:00 -
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Hitego Luna wrote:
Yes this will make the Open tournament more interesting and better for the teams involved, however Somer Blink has considered the profit possible to be made off of the eve player base by having their name in the login screen news on a regular basis, and it far exceeds any "donation" that they have made to the community.
Any profit you have made off of Blink is because you are lucky. I have made a lot of money off of people like you at poker. Please keep on playing like you do.
Anyone who is old enough to have hair in their pubic region knows that a lottery is there to make money for the people doing the lottery. Somer mention they make 20% off every bet. You still end up with a better shot at winning because it's a 1/8; 1/16; 1/32 bet. As far as odds go, I'd say it's worth a shot.
Somer also cannot make people buy a ticket. It is not a captive audience. There is no coercion.
Somer also does not have to give back to the community, even though giving each team 10 billion, to their purse, is trivial. However you slice it they gave each team a level playing field. Whatever the outcome of the tournament is, it's not going to be decided because some team did not have the money to buy the equipment they wanted to put into the field.
Their 'terms' are also the most gracious I've seen: no conditions, no requirements, no 'giving back surplus money'. They give in the best spirit of giving: you either give gladly or not at all.
In EVE, as in real life (that other great fiction), we expect ulterior motive. I don't see Somer's ulterior motive. People spending more money on Somer? They must have made over 40 trillion ISK already. I'm not privy to their traffic, but I'm assuming people enjoy their effort sponsorship or not.
I see it in the spirit of EVE: emerging behavior that drives the community forward. Making sure the tournament gets a chance to have pilots show what they can do when money really is no object. You know: live a little.
Maybe Somer could be the De Medici of New Eden. Providing welcome support to worthwhile causes.
If at some point a political idea might emerge, something altogether a little more sinister, what else can we do, as a community but smile appreciatively at yet another grand ruse played perfectly? |

Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
75
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:23:00 -
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Ancyker wrote: They do not lose even when they do not win because (presumably) they had fun. You pay for EVE and make nothing off of it, it's a game, you play it for fun -- not to make money. Blink is no different.
Pretty sad how people are willing to lose 20 mil on a single bet, consider it having fun, instead of buying a destroyer, go to low sec and trying to kill something. I dare to say if you are willing to think about pvp, the rake is less than 20%.  |

Zoldarion Katelo
Sword And Plow
0
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:24:00 -
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awesome gesture, hopefully will be a tournament for the ages. |

Warr Akini
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:35:00 -
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I embezzled my 10b.
Preciate it, y'all! |
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Marsan
Caldari Provisions
52
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:37:00 -
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There are obvious motives of getting the name out and gathering good will. Also if one thinks about it unless they are engaging in RMT they can't take the isk out of the system the isk spent may be fairly valueless from their perspective.
PS- I'm not ruling out they plan for some sort of betting on Tournaments. |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1894
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Posted - 2012.11.13 16:40:00 -
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Well done!
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

luckyccs
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
3
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Posted - 2012.11.13 17:39:00 -
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big ups to somer. :) |

Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
87
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Posted - 2012.11.13 18:49:00 -
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now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :) so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :) |

Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
73
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Posted - 2012.11.13 19:12:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :) so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :)
Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. |

Everseeker
Northgate
11
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Posted - 2012.11.13 19:30:00 -
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It's a Trap! |

General Escobar
Highsec Heroes Ayn Sof Aur
8
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:47:00 -
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Bravo!!! |

Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
105
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Posted - 2012.11.13 21:16:00 -
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Maybe this time we can afford to fit a tank on our Widow! |

Mawderator
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
12
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Posted - 2012.11.13 22:16:00 -
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Good advertisement on their part. At least no one has to worry about losing shinies. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
43

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Posted - 2012.11.14 11:33:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote:now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :) so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :) Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Well each match matters in the double elimination format so match throwing becomes much harder unless you are willing to drop out of the tournament completely. I have a looming feeling that we will see some awesome matches this tournament! |
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Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
73
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Posted - 2012.11.14 12:10:00 -
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CCP Bro wrote:Faffywaffy wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote:now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :) so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :) Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Well each match matters in the double elimination format so match throwing becomes much harder unless you are willing to drop out of the tournament completely. I have a looming feeling that we will see some awesome matches this tournament!
The (double) elimination format does seem to solve some of the worst metagaming problems, but even if there is no match-throwing (which may still happen, although much less likely, IMO) there's still spying and interfering with practices. Hopefully you will be able to address those issues for the next tournament by giving each team a secure location to practice. |

Seldarine
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
36
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Posted - 2012.11.14 12:27:00 -
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Yeh I don't mind the whole spying thing, but when ur testing in a safespot, and spies start probing u, then warping in and actually interfering with ur practising then imo that should be acted on.
As far as im aware, you cannot kill people non consenting on the test server without breaking the test server rules. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
43

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Posted - 2012.11.14 12:59:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Faffywaffy wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote:now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :) so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :) Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Well each match matters in the double elimination format so match throwing becomes much harder unless you are willing to drop out of the tournament completely. I have a looming feeling that we will see some awesome matches this tournament! The (double) elimination format does seem to solve some of the worst metagaming problems, but even if there is no match-throwing (which may still happen, although much less likely, IMO) there's still spying and interfering with practices. Hopefully you will be able to address those issues for the next tournament by giving each team a secure location to practice. Looking into ways to allow people to test their setups in a secure environment is absolutely worth looking into for future tournaments (and we are actually discussing ways to do this already). |
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Seldarine
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
36
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Posted - 2012.11.14 13:11:00 -
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CCP Bro wrote:Faffywaffy wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Faffywaffy wrote:Blastcaps Madullier wrote:now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :) so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :) Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Well each match matters in the double elimination format so match throwing becomes much harder unless you are willing to drop out of the tournament completely. I have a looming feeling that we will see some awesome matches this tournament! The (double) elimination format does seem to solve some of the worst metagaming problems, but even if there is no match-throwing (which may still happen, although much less likely, IMO) there's still spying and interfering with practices. Hopefully you will be able to address those issues for the next tournament by giving each team a secure location to practice. Looking into ways to allow people to test their setups in a secure environment is absolutely worth looking into for future tournaments (and we are actually discussing ways to do this already).
Simple, move a team or teams to a seeded station then explode all the stargates :p |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
615

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Posted - 2012.11.14 15:11:00 -
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Seldarine wrote:Simple, move a team or teams to a seeded station then explode all the stargates :p Yeah something like that. Probably not exactly that. We'll see. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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Del DelVechio
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.11.14 16:46:00 -
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+1 to Somer for ISK and +1 to secure AT testing.... |

Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
207
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Posted - 2012.11.14 16:50:00 -
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+1 to exploding stargates, i would like to watch. |

SpeedY G0nZaleZ
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2012.11.14 17:01:00 -
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Removing metagaming completely might actually hurt the popularity.
In a crowded eSports community it is sometimes helpful to have something that stands out.
Having secure practice locations is going a bit too far, IMO.
Removing cheating is one thing but if a team wants to do the extra research I don't see the harm. |

Seldarine
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
36
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Posted - 2012.11.14 17:30:00 -
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SpeedY G0nZaleZ wrote:Removing metagaming completely might actually hurt the popularity.
In a crowded eSports community it is sometimes helpful to have something that stands out.
Having secure practice locations is going a bit too far, IMO.
Removing cheating is one thing but if a team wants to do the extra research I don't see the harm.
If you could trust people to just spy it would be fine. But there are always idiots that ruin things for the majority.
For example, people probing down your testing arena then warping in on trainings and jamming everyone. That is not doing research, that is being an *******, and its because of those type of people that teams are wanting secure training.
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SpeedY G0nZaleZ
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2012.11.14 17:37:00 -
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Seldarine wrote:
If you could trust people to just spy it would be fine. But there are always idiots that ruin things for the majority.
For example, people probing down your testing arena then warping in on trainings and jamming everyone. That is not doing research, that is being an *******, and its because of those type of people that teams are wanting secure training.
Is this actually happening? Last year I probed people down and went there to watch them and cloaked. They stopped practicing because of it but I didn't jam anyone.
I mean if we want the best pilots to win and make it a pure skill game why don't we just hold the competitions on SISI. That way we can remove the "metagame" of ISK from the equation. This is a serious suggestion and would make 10k an extremely attractive prize pool if you remove the in-game costs.
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