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Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:01:00 -
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Used in low sec, I am heading to low sec for ratting in an assault frig but and I plan on either a Caldari or gallente frig what would be my most likely attacker, a wolf or some other type of tackling frig, would warrior II be help if tackled by an inty or is eccm the way to go? |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
92
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Posted - 2012.11.14 00:18:00 -
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Hey piug...why are you asking difficult questions, just never mind that low sec you hear. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2906
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Posted - 2012.11.14 01:04:00 -
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ASB Merlin (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1111
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Posted - 2012.11.14 01:15:00 -
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You'll see a lot of...
Incursus (short range, supertanking brawling frigs) Merlin (same as above, but with shields) Navy Slicer (hard hitting, kiting ships with high speed and low tank) Hookbill (souped up Merlin) Harpy (souped up Merlin that can also be fitted for range) Dramiel (versatile frigate that also happens to be one of the fastest of its class) Thrasher (not a frigate, but one of the more common "small ships" you'll see... can be fitted for close range brawling or ranged alpha-striking)
The list goes on.
You're asking a very open-ended question. Giving specifics on what kind of ship you want to be running it would help... as you'll run into many different types of things during a roam... and each ship is strong against certain other ships while being weak against others. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2906
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Posted - 2012.11.14 02:11:00 -
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While belt ratting isn't really profitable, it is still handy for getting your sec up. It's easier in null sec once through the choke points but if I was to go on a roam to rat up sec I would most likely take an Enyo since you can have a 100% PvP oriented fit and still take down high-end BS rats with relative ease.
The same philosophy extends to ratting for ISK of course, although there are far more profitable activities. It sounds like you are doing it more for sport than for profitability though, in which case I tip my hat to you.
When playing the victim, AB and rails can be surprisingly effective. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
subtle turtle
Imperial Outlaws
72
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Posted - 2012.11.14 05:26:00 -
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Keep in mind that if you are belt ratting, you will run into a lot more than just frigates. You will likely see drakes, 'canes, any number of cruisers, etc, all looking to separate your pod from your assault ship. Whatever ship you bring, PVP fit it, learn how to D-scan, and know what you can fight and what you should run from. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
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Posted - 2012.11.14 06:02:00 -
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Ok thanks, yeah I'm not ratting for profit im hoping to get shot at and see how it goes. Most likely the same as it always had 0 wins many losses but you never know. |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
676
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Posted - 2012.11.14 06:46:00 -
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Cap Stable Vengeance with armor reppers will outlast a ASB Merlin.
I say Vengeance since it is my fav ship in the game. So I might be biased here. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.11.14 09:58:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Cap Stable Vengeance with armor reppers will outlast a ASB Merlin.
I say Vengeance since it is my fav ship in the game. So I might be biased here.
One of the most tanky AF's in the game will outlast a t1 frig? No wai..
Also you said that wrong, one should not under any circumstances put more then one rep on the veng -_- |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
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Posted - 2012.11.14 13:42:00 -
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Ok, looking at some fits online people seem to agree that anything with rockets is a fail, so it seems popular fits are mostly auto cannon based, and that vengeance is tanky. |
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.11.14 15:06:00 -
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Piugattuk wrote:Ok, looking at some fits online people seem to agree that anything with rockets is a fail, so it seems popular fits are mostly auto cannon based, and that vengeance is tanky .
Don't be an idiot. The vengence with rockets is a beast.
Your info is several years outdated. |
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
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Posted - 2012.11.14 19:11:00 -
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A lot of that anti-rocket nonsense is probably dated commentary from back when they were LOLROTF-ockets. They're pretty damned good these days. Quality Assurance RECRUITING OPEN |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2907
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Posted - 2012.11.14 22:48:00 -
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Let me find my favourite current enyo fit for you (you wanted gallente right?)
[Enyo, mwd rep null 4.7+4.4 import 1] Internal Force Field Array I Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small 'Knave' Energy Drain
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator II
Warrior II x1
You can do a similar fit cheaply like so...
[Enyo, mwd rep null 4.7+4.4 import 1] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Adaptive Nano Plating II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small 'Knave' Energy Drain
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Warrior II x1
It might need high fitting skills and advance weapon upgrades V and if so, swap one gun for an ion blaster. The idea is that with null, you can hit to kitting range even with blasters and its relatively cheap and effective and you can rat up sec in it and still pack a punch versus a large variety of targets. If something turns up that you dont want to engage then of course you can just run away. If you get tackled on a gate by a camp you can at least try to burn back to the gate and get out.
EDIT: Ignore the ammo type in that fit. Rat with either antimatter charge s or void but pvp with null loaded and if you think the will come close range then load faction antimatter. If you are feeling brave versus larger hulls then you can always load void. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Piugattuk
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.14 23:17:00 -
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What happened...haha, I pooped I did a trial run in jita in a condor well that Maller malled me using pulse II lasers and I guessed I mistaked orbiting at 7000 km funny thing is I think the guy tried to kill my pod. Well, I lasted longer then I expected |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
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Posted - 2012.11.15 08:12:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Cap Stable Vengeance with armor reppers will outlast a ASB Merlin.
I say Vengeance since it is my fav ship in the game. So I might be biased here. One of the most tanky AF's in the game will outlast a t1 frig? No wai.. Also you said that wrong, one should not under any circumstances put more then one rep on the veng -_-
I only did once... but that was in a fight against 2 wolfs and a SB. I was so impressed with that setup. Although yes... most common fit for me is my Vengeance with 1 repper I lovingly call Black Sunshine.
I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Kristopher Rocancourt
Quality Assurance
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Posted - 2012.11.15 19:29:00 -
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Cloaky Tengu for Nullsex ratting. You can make tons of ISK belt hopping and popping BAttleships/Faction loot dropping ships.
Not a Frigate but close enough. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.11.15 19:37:00 -
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I see allot of kiting mwd frigates with and without tds.
Make sure you can catch or hit one or otherwise counter it.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Piugattuk
Perkone Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2012.11.16 00:08:00 -
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I might try that, cloaky nully tengu sounds cool. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2918
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Posted - 2012.11.16 00:24:00 -
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Tengu's are not frigates. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
A PowerfulForce
War Trident Trifectas Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.11.17 05:09:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Tengu's are not frigates.
If you will and plead you can almost make it look like enyo. |
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Ishkaru
Amarrian Vengeance
0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 11:26:00 -
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Just keep in mind if you PVP in a tengu when you get blown up you lose some SP. |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
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Posted - 2012.11.22 00:36:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Let me find my favourite current enyo fit for you (you wanted gallente right?)
[Enyo, mwd rep null 4.7+4.4 import 1] Internal Force Field Array I Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small 'Knave' Energy Drain
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator II
Warrior II x1
You can do a similar fit cheaply like so...
[Enyo, mwd rep null 4.7+4.4 import 1] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Adaptive Nano Plating II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Small 'Knave' Energy Drain
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Warrior II x1
It might need high fitting skills and advance weapon upgrades V and if so, swap one gun for an ion blaster. The idea is that with null, you can hit to kitting range even with blasters and its relatively cheap and effective and you can rat up sec in it and still pack a punch versus a large variety of targets. If something turns up that you dont want to engage then of course you can just run away. If you get tackled on a gate by a camp you can at least try to burn back to the gate and get o
EDIT: Ignore the ammo type in that fit. Rat with either antimatter charge s or void but pvp with null loaded and if you think the will come close range then load faction antimatter. If you are feeling brave versus larger hulls then you can always load void.
This and don't forget da ishkur a good null sec solo ship. |
Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
33
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Posted - 2012.11.23 05:31:00 -
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Ishkaru wrote:Just keep in mind if you PVP in a tengu when you get blown up you lose some SP.
Meh rank 1 skills 4 days training loss max. |
Bengal Bob
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
86
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:20:00 -
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Piugattuk wrote:Used in low sec, I am heading to low sec for ratting in an assault frig but and I plan on either a Caldari or gallente frig what would be my most likely attacker, a wolf or some other type of tackling frig, would warrior II be help if tackled by an inty or is eccm the way to go? I plan on a rail set up rather then blasters so I can reach out.
You are most likely to see a condor tackling you. Anywhere from 1-5 minutes after that local will spike and fill with desperate killmail whores trying to get on your mail. At that point it doesn't matter what they are flying.
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Piugattuk
Perkone Caldari State
106
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:52:00 -
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Bengal Bob wrote:[quote=Piugattuk]Used in low sec, I am heading to low sec for ratting in an assault frig but and I plan on either a Caldari or gallente frig what would be my most likely attacker, a wolf or some other type of tackling frig, would warrior II be help if tackled by an inty or is eccm the way to go? I plan on a rail set up rather then blasters so I can reach out.
You are most likely to see a condor tackling you. Anywhere from 1-5 minutes after that local will spike and fill with desperate killmail whores trying to get on your mail. At that point it doesn't matter what they are flying.
Yeah, those new condor's make nice cheap tackler, but a rail setup should kill it put 125's with right long range ammo and should be np. |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
8
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Posted - 2012.11.23 19:13:00 -
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Ishkaru wrote:Just keep in mind if you PVP in a tengu when you get blown up you lose some SP. That will be changing soon so there is no SP loss. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
249
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:12:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Ishkaru wrote:Just keep in mind if you PVP in a tengu when you get blown up you lose some SP. That will be changing soon so there is no SP loss.
Source? I might start flying more t3's if this is true. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
0
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:11:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Ishkaru wrote:Just keep in mind if you PVP in a tengu when you get blown up you lose some SP. That will be changing soon so there is no SP loss.
Do you have a source for this? If this is true I might actually inject some subsystem skills. |
Mike Whiite
Cupid Stunts.
77
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Posted - 2012.11.27 09:45:00 -
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1 week and counting--> Enter Kestrel |
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