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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:33:00 -
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Right now we have the Noctis as the de facto salvage ship. It is so popular of a ship that it has it's own skill dedicated to it (ORE Industrial, which applies to no other ship that I'm aware of). The Noctis is the way to clear out dozens of wrecks out to 80km, all while sitting comfortably in one spot, raking in the goodies.
And now salvage drones are no longer just an April Fool's prank or an urban legend. It looks like they're happening for real this time. I can't wait.
But what does this mean for the future of the Noctis? Will this niche ship become completely obsolete? Will the salvage drones skill and the ORE industrial skill end up switching places?
Now I know what people are going to say - "Have CCP simply give Noctis a drone bay and let it use salvage drones itself to be an even better salvagver!" Good in theory, but here's the reality: Adding a drone bay to the Noctis will simply encourage people to load it with combat drones and turn it into a low-grade combat ship for loot farming. (Heck knows, that's what I would do with it - seems rather obvious). So we can rule that out.
"But at max skill the Noctis can tractor beam from 80km, you can't beat that range!" - and, of course, at max skill a player's drones can also reach 80km range (coincidence?) ... and if they don't have max skill then they can just slap in a range extender. Again, the drones win the contest.
Now for someone like me, who's been flying Myrmidons almost exclusively for a long time now, I can say with confidence that I can spare the 25m3 of drone bay space to fit some salvage drones if it means never having to (go back for/have a flunky with) a Noctis to do the clean up.
I'm sure that CCP has some plan up it's sleeve to keep the Noctis useful (right?) and maybe even expand that whole Ore Industrial skill to apply to more than just one frikkin' ship in the game (right?) and that salvage drones won't be the alpha & omega solution to all salvaging problems (right?). I just wish they'd share that plan with me.
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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
29
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:37:00 -
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I have no intention of using salvage drones on any of my mission ships except navy geddon...
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XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War
Union 0f Revolution
22
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:38:00 -
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Meh. The drones will simply be an option for ships that have the room for them and dont have a utility high slot for a salvager.
The drones wont replace or make the noctis obsolete. It wont happen.
Dont worry so much about it. The noctis will still be a viable salvaging ship |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
110
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:41:00 -
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I hope that is true. I'd just like CCP to throw me some evidence of it.
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1615
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:42:00 -
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Actually its 96km max range with t2 tractors and drones don't loot wrecks, only salvage them. Plus travel time for salvage drones, plus they have a much much lower access chance than t1 or t2 salvagers so it takes longer to salvage. Noctis is still the de facto standard salvage ship. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
44
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:46:00 -
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plus waiting for 5 drones to salvage the blockade would be ridiculous to say the least
wumbo |
Fractal Muse
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:47:00 -
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When I use a noctis it is to salvage and loot.
Salvage drones will be able to salvage only.
I can see them being used on a ship that doesn't rely on drones for DPS to add a little bit of extra ISK per hour from the salvaged things. But, you'll have to balance that out with the DPS you'll be losing from not having drones out.
For a player with low drone skills running salvage drones will probably be a good idea.
For a player with lots of drone skills it'll probably be more worthwhile to have DPS drones out and keep doing what they are currently doing.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1135
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:50:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:and drones don't loot wrecks, only salvage them...
damn. now we need ninja drones!
a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1130
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:56:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:and drones don't loot wrecks, only salvage them... damn. now we need ninja drones!
How about tractor drones? They pull all the wrecks to you.
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Lance Rossiter
CHAINS Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.11.14 19:15:00 -
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There are already cheaper and easier-to-fly salvaging solutions, and they haven't stopped the Noctis from being a popular vessel... I don't see a ship that can easily outperform other dedicated salvage boat set-ups being rendered obsolete by a secondary system like drones. Fewer people might choose to use a dedicated salvaging boat at all, but given their current popularity I don't see this shifting so far that it'll really hurt the Noctis. |
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
104
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Posted - 2012.11.14 19:20:00 -
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Until they make tractor drones (briefly imagines John Deere green and yellow drones, chuckles) the Noctis will still be king. It will really only help mission blitzers who don't pick up loot. But will the little guys salvage fast enough even for them is the question.
I would assume that the drones don't benefit from salvage tackles and that their access chance is low. Which means you'll either have to focus the flight on one target at a time, or spend a lot of time spreading them out, waiting for them to access.
Noctis will be just fine. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1615
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Posted - 2012.11.14 19:25:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:and drones don't loot wrecks, only salvage them... damn. now we need ninja drones!
and done.
i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab303/Firetempest/Ninjalootdrones.jpg |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
625
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Posted - 2012.11.14 19:26:00 -
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i'll be packing a set of these in to my orca instead of the logi drones.
between the tractor beam, shield resistance link, and mining cycle time link, these drones will be perfect.
drones salvage the wrecks, tractor in the cans of loot, easy isk while mining. (as if making isk while mining needed to be made easier)
another thought, most newer players salvage in destroyers, now there are some drone based destroyers... oh boy.
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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
44
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Posted - 2012.11.14 19:26:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Bienator II wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:and drones don't loot wrecks, only salvage them... damn. now we need ninja drones! and done. Ninja Loot Drones
My likes, take them!!! 
wumbo |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
456
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Posted - 2012.11.14 19:27:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Bienator II wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:and drones don't loot wrecks, only salvage them... damn. now we need ninja drones! and done. Ninja Loot Drones
I was expecting something...but this was better. needs theme song playing in background. +1
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
356
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Posted - 2012.11.14 19:38:00 -
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Lets see, noctis loots missions, salvage drones can't loot (nor even salvage very quickly), clearly there will be competition ....
Anyone who is using a noctis soley to salvage is an idiot |
Eru GoEller
State War Academy
Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.11.14 19:47:00 -
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Salvage drones! Cosmos plexes approve of this, the loot is meh anyway. But, in some plexes the salvage can be handy for rig builders. |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.11.14 19:52:00 -
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Salvage drones will make it easier to day-trip C1s and C2s with only a single account, and they might find some use with ratters, but missioners with a Noctis alt will probably completely ignore them. |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
173
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Posted - 2012.11.14 19:57:00 -
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How do those drones compare to salvagers II? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1131
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:15:00 -
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Drone missions have no loot. So: Kill mission, deploy salvage drones, go afk.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
111
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:16:00 -
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Alright so it is assumed that salvage drones can't actually loot wrecks, so they'll be leaving behind a trail of cargo pods floating in space.
If this is true, then while that is certainly good news for keeping the Noctis employed, it kind of makes salvage drones rather limited. They're only real purpose would be to salvage loot-less wrecks. So instead of being overpowered, they're actually kind of underpowered.
Unless, of course, they can grab loot and prevent cargo pod litter as well - but that puts them right back into the overpowered category that threatens Noctis viability again.
I'm wondering how they intend to balance it?
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Adeleda Adoudel
Welp The Monkey
30
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:27:00 -
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And what exactly is your problem with a battlenoctis buff? (Referring to drone bay on noctis) |
Sarmatiko
787
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:32:00 -
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Noctis will have 25m3 drone bay for salvage drones (and probably for other drones also). So problem is solved I think.
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Beekeeper Bob
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
289
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:40:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Right now we have the Noctis as the de facto salvage ship. It is so popular of a ship that it has it's own skill dedicated to it (ORE Industrial, which applies to no other ship that I'm aware of). The Noctis is the way to clear out dozens of wrecks out to 80km, all while sitting comfortably in one spot, raking in the goodies. And now salvage drones are no longer just an April Fool's prank or an urban legend. It looks like they're happening for real this time. I can't wait. But what does this mean for the future of the Noctis? Will this niche ship become completely obsolete? Will the salvage drones skill and the ORE industrial skill end up switching places? Now I know what people are going to say - "Have CCP simply give Noctis a drone bay and let it use salvage drones itself to be an even better salvagver!" Good in theory, but here's the reality: Adding a drone bay to the Noctis will simply encourage people to load it with combat drones and turn it into a low-grade combat ship for loot farming. (Heck knows, that's what I would do with it - seems rather obvious). So we can rule that out. "But at max skill the Noctis can tractor beam from 80km, you can't beat that range!" - and, of course, at max skill a player's drones can also reach 80km range (coincidence?) ... and if they don't have max skill then they can just slap in a range extender. Again, the drones win the contest. Now for someone like me, who's been flying Myrmidons almost exclusively for a long time now, I can say with confidence that I can spare the 25m3 of drone bay space to fit some salvage drones if it means never having to (go back for/have a flunky with) a Noctis to do the clean up. I'm sure that CCP has some plan up it's sleeve to keep the Noctis useful (right?) and maybe even expand that whole Ore Industrial skill to apply to more than just one frikkin' ship in the game (right?) and that salvage drones won't be the alpha & omega solution to all salvaging problems (right?). I just wish they'd share that plan with me.
Rich people use the noctis, lazy, poor people will use drones.....and be forever poor......
"Paranoia is the number one killer of idiots and Republicans." |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
45
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:42:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Alright so it is assumed that salvage drones can't actually loot wrecks...
You. Buckingham. Now.
wumbo |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10325
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:44:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Noctis is overpowered beyond measure. Even on my Marauder I preferred to bookmark all wrecks and process them on Noctis once in 2 hours, because it was easier and faster. GǪnot to mention a waste of your time. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sarmatiko
787
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sarmatiko wrote:Noctis is overpowered beyond measure. Even on my Marauder I preferred to bookmark all wrecks and process them on Noctis once in 2 hours, because it was easier and faster. GǪnot to mention a waste of your time.
Indeed, looting is worthless after Tyrannis. But it can be still relaxing sometimes
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MasterEnt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:54:00 -
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I remember reading a while back the drones would have a lower chance to salvage resulting in a lower quality salvage. I highly doubt they will out-perform and rigger Noctis |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10325
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:59:00 -
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MasterEnt wrote:I remember reading a while back the drones would have a lower chance to salvage resulting in a lower quality salvage. There is no GÇ£qualityGÇ¥ in the salvage and what you get has nothing to do with your chance of salvaging. A lower salvaging chance just means you have a lower chance of getting anything on an individual cycle GÇö if it's too low for the wreck, you'll never get anything.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
111
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Posted - 2012.11.14 20:59:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:You. Buckingham. Now.
WTF does that mean?
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