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White Quake Slightly Vexed Rainbow Dash Friends 116	Posted - 2012.11.14 19:37:00 - [1] - Quote Was in system, saw this pop up on a kill mail Guy says a -10 pirate was just popping about system and concord was doing nothing 2012.11.13 18:10:00 Victim: Weetabix Kedgeree Corp: Curse Of The Chosen Alliance: Bosch Defence Industries Alliance Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Badger Mark II System: Sivala Security: 0.6 Damage Taken: 4217 Involved parties: Name: ELI P0RTER (laid the final blow) Security: -10.00 Corp: League of Non-Aligned Crimson Determined Empire. Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Tornado Weapon: 1400mm Prototype Siege Cannon Damage Done: 4217 My question - Is how was this player able to use a talos in high sec being -10 and not get popped instantly? It would seem he runs around system killing people http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=ELI+P0RTER he also just did this - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17971845 Explain this?
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 2933	Posted - 2012.11.14 19:42:00 - [2] - Quote Because faction police chases after criminals not CONCORD. CONCORD just destroy all ships who commit a crime in highsec space. After that they ignore you until you commit another crime.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 430	Posted - 2012.11.14 19:43:00 - [3] - Quote Because CONCORD are secretly controlled by Goonswarm.
White Quake Slightly Vexed Rainbow Dash Friends 116	Posted - 2012.11.14 19:44:00 - [4] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: Because faction police chases after criminals not CONCORD. CONCORD just destroy all ships who commit a crime in highsec space. After that they ignore you until you commit another crime. why is he not being war scrammed and shot down? Seems abit pointless? perhaps high sec police should be buffed then :)
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.11.14 19:45:00 - [5] - Quote White Quake wrote: Ship: Tornado White Quake wrote: My question - Is how was this player able to use a talos -1 for effort. Also, the faction Navies will be chasing this guy around, but they're not nearly as bad as CONCORD.
turmajin The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.11.14 19:58:00 - [6] - Quote Just because a player has a -10 sec status,it doent mean he has a bad empire faction rep,You can have a bad Concord status and still have a posative empire rep,in which case the navy of said empire wont even chase let alone attack.Concord only reacts to aggression,no aggression no arttack.
Cannibal Kane Praetorian Cannibals 678	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:03:00 - [7] - Quote Seriously... It takes some doing posting all this crap. You have a awesome lack of understanding in all your post and threads of how the game actually works and the machanism beind it. But then there a re so many people suggesting changing without understanding what the hell they are about, seems to extreme popular in general discussion. Added to my list of future war targets. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. The Crazy Space Poor South African. *Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it.
Marcus Harikari Guitar Players of EVE 108	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:06:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah, that is pretty funny.
Azami Nevinyrall Homeworld Republic Intrepid Crossing 629	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:12:00 - [9] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Because CONCORD are secretly controlled by Goonswarm. I remember the last time I made a similar statement... 30 day vacation... Apperently I'm on twitter now... @AzamiNevinyrall
Kobal81 14th Legion Black Core Alliance 22	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:16:00 - [10] - Quote "Working as intended"

Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 458	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:23:00 - [11] - Quote Stealth "I got ganked in highsec/ nerf ganking/ misc highsec whine' thread # SOMEONECALLTHEWAAAAAMBULANCE *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Rath Kelbore Surface Warfare Tribal Band 283	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:27:00 - [12] - Quote White Quake wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: Because faction police chases after criminals not CONCORD. CONCORD just destroy all ships who commit a crime in highsec space. After that they ignore you until you commit another crime. why is he not being war scrammed and shot down? Seems abit pointless? perhaps high sec police should be buffed then :) They(the police) do warp scram and shoot down criminals, if said criminal doesn't warp away before that happens. So if you're in a quick enough ship and don't stay on grid for more than a few seconds the faction police won't kill you. However, when he suicides someone concord will kill him. I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Adeleda Adoudel Welp The Monkey 30	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:31:00 - [13] - Quote White Quake wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: Because faction police chases after criminals not CONCORD. CONCORD just destroy all ships who commit a crime in highsec space. After that they ignore you until you commit another crime. why is he not being war scrammed and shot down? Seems abit pointless? perhaps high sec police should be buffed then :) Not being warp scrammed.. a bit pointless.. I see what you did there. Even if you didn't.
Shizuken Venerated Stars 127	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:33:00 - [14] - Quote White Quake wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: Because faction police chases after criminals not CONCORD. CONCORD just destroy all ships who commit a crime in highsec space. After that they ignore you until you commit another crime. why is he not being war scrammed and shot down? Seems abit pointless? perhaps high sec police should be buffed then :) I agree thay there should actually be a meaningful consequence of a negative sec status. I propose something along the lines of for every -1 your status is you are automatically killable on sight (KOS) by any player in a system with a corresponding sec status, or lower. For example: -0.01 to -1.00 = KOS in sec status 0.1 -1.01 to -2.00 = KOS in a 0.2 sec status system or lower -2.01 to -3.00 = KOS in a 0.3 sec status system or lower -3.01 to -4.00 = KOS in a 0.4 sec status system or lower -4.01 to -5.00 = KOS in a 0.5 sec status system or lower -5.01 to -6.00 = KOS in a 0.6 sec status system or lower -6.01 to -7.00 = KOS in a 0.7 sec status system or lower -7.01 to -8.00 = KOS in a 0.8 sec status system or lower -8.01 to -9.00 = KOS in a 0.9 sec status system or lower -9.01 to -10.0 = KOS in a 1.0 sec status system or lower This sort of approach would properly relegate pirates to the outer rim where they can openly PvP with each other. Plus they could harass alliances and alliance defense fleets/patrols would have something to do. It would also remove the hard distinction on aggressive activity between high and low sec in favor of something with more depth and resolution. To go along with this Concorde could pay bounties for the kills with more reward for killing those with lower sec status. Also Concorde could begin shutting off gate access to those with -5.00 and lower on a similar scale to the above. This is somewhat harsh, I know. But, I am down if other people like it too. If people decide to permanently or temporarily abandon their swashbuckling ways, null sec ratting already builds sec status (and ISK) rather quickly. In the words of Human Torch, "FLAME ON!!!"
Galaxy Pig Caldari Provisions Caldari State 114	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:34:00 - [15] - Quote Dear lord is the OP serious?!? This is a troll. PLEASE TELL ME IT'S A TROLL!
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 433	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:37:00 - [16] - Quote Yes, OP is a known troll and a bad poster.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 407	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:38:00 - [17] - Quote Just bait the pirate into Concord sov hi sec. Problem solved.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10325	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:39:00 - [18] - Quote Because it's not their job to do that. It's your job. So why aren't you doing it? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
No More Heroes GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1593	Posted - 2012.11.14 20:51:00 - [19] - Quote Moving around Jita at -10 is fairly easy. Find juicy target with alt, park alt next to juicy target just sitting there because hey! It's jita and Concord is here! Undock from Business Tribunal Law School and warp to alt blap blap Explosions are heard, followed by rage and tears and maybe even an EVE-O thread about how -10 dudes are in high sec. .
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1033	Posted - 2012.11.14 21:32:00 - [20] - Quote turmajin wrote: Just because a player has a -10 sec status,it doent mean he has a bad empire faction rep,You can have a bad Concord status and still have a posative empire rep,in which case the navy of said empire wont even chase let alone attack. Wrong. Once your sec status drops below a certain point for a given system, the empire police will chase & attempt to blow you up regardless of your standings with them. They just aren't very good at it. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto

Palovana Inner Fire Inc. 308	Posted - 2012.11.14 21:40:00 - [21] - Quote Weetabix. Breakfast of Pirates. Please support: export of settings in editable format Your stuff goes here.
Generals4 1566	Posted - 2012.11.14 22:09:00 - [22] - Quote Well if you are gonna travel with a badger with 3bill worth of loot and not even bother putting a DCU II on it you deserve to die horribly. *-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.*
ACE McFACE 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 875	Posted - 2012.11.14 22:33:00 - [23] - Quote CONCORD isn't the police, its the Vengeance Squad "No one drove in New York, there was too much traffic."
James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 1238	Posted - 2012.11.14 22:35:00 - [24] - Quote "Waah, it doesn't work the way I thought it did. Make it so it works the way I want it to CCP!" http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1010	Posted - 2012.11.14 22:44:00 - [25] - Quote Because faction police is the deterrent, and CONCORD is the punishment. Neither is intended to provide any degree of protection.
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 195	Posted - 2012.11.14 22:59:00 - [26] - Quote Are carebears only now just figuring out nothing is actually protecting them in high sec? Star Jump Drive
Aralieus Shadowbane Syndicate 21	Posted - 2012.11.14 23:13:00 - [27] - Quote Val'Dore wrote: Are carebears only now just figuring out nothing is actually protecting them in high sec? Darwinism is a mysterious thing indeed... Oderint Dum Metuant
Generals4 1566	Posted - 2012.11.14 23:21:00 - [28] - Quote Val'Dore wrote: Are carebears only now just figuring out nothing is actually protecting them in high sec? to be fair it took me a while to figure out which entities protected people in different kind of situations in high sec. But than again i used to have a positive sec status for a very long time and i never got involved in a lot of high sec ganking. *-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.*
Spurty V0LTA Verge of Collapse 567	Posted - 2012.11.14 23:34:00 - [29] - Quote Because high sec is full of scared people Anyone in an even remotely pvp capable ship could pop and pod him. He was never going to receive reps But you didn't You conspired to enable an easy pay day High 5 to ebil pirate and shrug at high seccers What's the point of making players negative sec status when the citizens just wave them through? ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 91	Posted - 2012.11.15 00:26:00 - [30] - Quote OP's KB link show's two Tengu kills. Each went down down with <9600 damage.total. Even with crappy skills and none of their shinies turned on they have more shield hp than that, assuming the gankers used Fleet EMP L also. And another 6k or so in armor and structure HP. One Volley of 1400mm each is a lot of damage, but am just a little surprised that a Tengu pops that easy.

Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 277	Posted - 2012.11.15 01:51:00 - [31] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: OP's KB link show's two Tengu kills. Each went down down with <9600 damage.total. Even with crappy skills and none of their shinies turned on they have more shield hp than that, assuming the gankers used Fleet EMP L also. And another 6k or so in armor and structure HP. One Volley of 1400mm each is a lot of damage, but am just a little surprised that a Tengu pops that easy. It means the Tengu had a resist tank, not a buffer tank. I can have 90% resist on 1100 shield and you might hit me for 11000 damage to break that shield but the Kill Board will still show 1100 damage taken.
Berendas Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE 330	Posted - 2012.11.15 03:47:00 - [32] - Quote 0/10 OP
Herr Hammer Draken 157	Posted - 2012.11.15 06:41:00 - [33] - Quote This is the most misunderstood mechanic in the game. I have heard so many players even 3 or 4 year old players say point blank -10 security status players can not fly in high sec. I have been told by many respected players that if they do the gate guns will fire and he will get concorded. They tell me he will never get past the first gate into high sec. Obviously that is not the case. But I could not correct the misinformation that has been spread. So we get posts like this. Note to high sec players the -10 security status players in high sec are free targets. It is up to you the player base to police them. Also note that the faction police are always after them as well but will not scram or web the target ship. That is your job to hold them up you while you get help from the police who are comming, not immediate but they will show up after a bit. So these -10 security status guys have to always be on the move. They can not slow down or stay in one place too long before the poilice catch up to them. When they go thru a gate they get a message that he is not authorized in high sec and will be fired upon in 5 seconds. So you can see they can not hang around. Unless you happen to be on site with a scram and a web. Lock them down and let the gate guns fire. Police and others hopefully will show up to help. Get used to this as this is what high sec will be like after the winter update with retribution and sellable kill rights. What do I mean by that? I mean the battles that CCP hopes will develope all around high sec as players trigger those kill rights and some player goes red to everybody in the area. That means he is a free target and it is up to the high sec players to police their space. The question is will you do it? Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Ghazu 273	Posted - 2012.11.15 06:43:00 - [34] - Quote Op is like a helpless batman or something. http://www.minerbumping.com/
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1913	Posted - 2012.11.15 07:04:00 - [35] - Quote Typical. 32 out of 33 replies are a troll or just plain wrong. Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Ghazu 273	Posted - 2012.11.15 07:10:00 - [36] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Typical. 32 out of 33 replies are a troll or just plain wrong. Mr Epeen Hold the op and tell him everything is going to be alright. http://www.minerbumping.com/
White Quake Slightly Vexed Rainbow Dash Friends 117	Posted - 2012.11.15 08:33:00 - [37] - Quote Well ****....
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 430	Posted - 2012.11.15 09:18:00 - [38] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: Note to high sec players the -10 security status players in high sec are free targets. It is up to you the player base to police them. Also note that the faction police are always after them as well but will not scram or web the target ship. That is your job to hold them up you while you get help from the police who are comming, not immediate but they will show up after a bit. spreading blatant misinformation in a post that complains about other people spreading misinformation... classy. faction police do have a chance to web and scram you, transversing high-sec as -10 in anything slower than a shield-tanked cruiser is not safe and will most likely get you caught by the faction police. @OP CONCORD do behave just you would like them to behave in systems where they hold sovereignty. Maybe stick to that area. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
Seleia O'Sinnor Drop of Honey 262	Posted - 2012.11.15 09:42:00 - [39] - Quote Just block the bloody gates to hisec for this scum. New inventory: Getting better since version 1.2, but what about back and forward buttons?
Lin-Young Borovskova Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 932	Posted - 2012.11.15 11:52:00 - [40] - Quote Aralieus wrote: Val'Dore wrote: Are carebears only now just figuring out nothing is actually protecting them in high sec? Darwinism is a mysterious thing indeed... Indeed, when faction police leaves criminals alone or are incapable to do something about there's a real problem of Darwinism but not from victims but rather the hilarious "game mechanic" as a whole. If only more of those had some balls and come to null freak us out... brb

NEONOVUS Saablast Followers 37	Posted - 2012.11.15 14:08:00 - [41] - Quote Yeah pretty much sec status doesnt tell you anything. Especially as it is now removed from bounties. I do like the idea of relegating them to lower secs permanently, it fits thematically and attaches consequences to actions. I mean really when the whole pirate thing is allowed to occur blatantly in supposed empire controlled space, it does break the immersion and feel of the game. I'm not saying you should be safe in Hisec, just that if you gank to much you will be made to leave.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 411	Posted - 2012.11.15 14:18:00 - [42] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Seriously... It takes some doing posting all this crap. You have a awesome lack of understanding in all your post and threads of how the game actually works and the machanism behind it. But then there are so many people suggesting changing without understanding what the hell they are about or how it actually works which seems to be extreme popular in general discussion. Added to my list of future war targets. +1 You'd think a person would study the thing they want to criticize BEFORE criticizing it lol. CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á


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