Let's see....

Someone puts a bounty on you.... You get into a ship with an insurance payout that matches the cost of the ship. You have your alt kill you. You collect the insurance and the bounty. As long as neither you nor your alt post kill mails, no one knows your alt killed you for the bounty....


The bigger the bounty on you, the bigger the reward for having your alt kill you for the bounty.

Or... is the bounty payout being 1/5th the loss going to be the amount ABOVE insurance payout?

Yes, the current bounty system is horrid. I disagree that the new system looks terrific.

I think the new system is open to all sorts of unintended uses and exploits, not the least of which will be its use to extort carebears.

I strongly reccomend you have an alt blow up whichever character has the bounty on them. Keep at it until you earn at least twice as much ISK as you are losing.

This sounds as if you are trying to be sarcastic, but I miss the point.


Let's say someone puts a 100 million iSK bounty on me.

Let's say there is a cruiser that the hull costs 10 million, and insurance buy is 2 million payout is 12 million.

I buy the hull and insure it. My cost is 12 million.

I undock in unfit hull. My alt drops a can. I steal from it. My alt blows up the ship I was in.

Insurance pays me 12 million and I collect 2 million of the bounty. Profti = 2 million.

I then salvage the wreck with the alt while I dock up and reship.... repeat until the bounty is low enough that it is no longer worth it to continue blowing myself.


Which brings me back to the question.... will the "loss" basis that is used to determine payout only be the amount of loss that is above insurance payout?

maybe you can just see how it goes. hisec will still be safe and if people gank you you'll gain kill right on said ganker which you can then make available to other people for ISK, so you could make money on that as well.

specially if the ganker is a terrible person, a lot of people want killed

One need simply read the responses in this thread to "see how it will go".

Number of carebears posting about how they look forward to the changes so they can put bounties on griefers: 0

Number of griefers posting how they are drooling at the opportunity to use the new system to increase carebear tears: 23
(intended to be hyperbole... I did not actually count.)

One need simply read the responses in this thread to "see how it will go".

Number of carebears posting about how they look forward to the changes so they can put bounties on griefers: 0

Number of griefers posting how they are drooling at the opportunity to use the new system to increase carebear tears: 23
(intended to be hyperbole... I did not actually count.)

Number of carebears posting about how they look forward to the changes so they can put bounties on griefers: 0

I realize that having a bounty does not grant kill rights.

Having a bounty on you makes suicide ganking you profitable. Therefore, people will use the threat of putting a bounty on you as a means of blackmail. That blackmail will be followed through with actual bounties, and increased suicide ganking. Actual bounties and suicide ganks will make carebears unsub., Unsub will cause CCP to make changes.


The argument that carebears didn't drop during hulkageddon ignores mass unsub that caused CCP to make changes to other mining barges.

I've seen what a war dec does to participation in carebear corps. People just do not bother logging in for a week or two. But, usually the war dec goes away before the corp totally disbands. Bounties that do not go away after a week or two.... Death to carebear corps, carebear toons, subscription rates.

Pretty sure you don't get an insurance payout when you're paying off a bounty.

That's not really what I meant but if you still get insurance, that would make paying off bounties a lot easier. I doubt it's worth the effort though.

Number of carebears posting about how they look forward to the changes so they can put bounties on griefers: 0

I think CCP intended the changes to the bounty system to be used as "pay back" for people that do bad things in game. Mess with me, I'll put a bounty on you.

I highly suspect, it will end up as the exact opposite.


Two flaws:
1) lot of the high sec ganking is done on throw away toons. It takes very little training to get into a DPS destroyer... The bounties will do little if placed on a throw away toon.

2) Just as war dec's are used by PVP corps to blackmail industrial corps, I suspect the new bounty system is going to be used much the same.

Because of the 20% payout, you have to lose 5x as much in ships as the bounty that is put on you. So, I see PVP corps blackmailing industrial corps like this: "Pay me 100 million a week, or I'll put 100 million a week bounty on you. It is cheaper to pay me the 100 million ISK than to lose 500 million ISK in ships to bounty hunters."

The response, of course, from the industrialists will be to simply create a new corp (if it is corp bounties they are getting hit with) or let their accounts unsub for the length of time that it takes for the bounties to go away. This mass "unsub", of course, CCP is not going to ignore.


In short, players are not going to use the system as intended. It is going to cause much grief amongst the carebear community that constitutes a HUGE chunk of CCPs paid accounts (revenue). Therefore, big changes will be made to the new bounty system fairly quickly after implementation. Then, the people that misused the bounty system to grief carebears will be all whiny about how we're nerfing the game again.

The "pirates" either didn't think this through or are trying to make the "care bears" squirm just a little more because they know they won't have the option very soon. This system is designed to punish people who get criminal flags and it will do what it was set up to do.

Yes, the current bounty system is horrid. I disagree that the new system looks terrific.

I think the new system is open to all sorts of unintended uses and exploits, not the least of which will be its use to extort carebears.

I understand your concerns but its silly to paint the devil on the wall, if the system is abused and it causes undue problems for non PvP'ers I would imagine that the devs would make changes. The game is supposed to have dangers and CCP has shown a desire to balance those dangers without removing them altogether (barge buffs), so I suggest we go into these changes with a positive attitude and if things go wrong, then voice exactly what the problem is and ask it be addressed.

I'm going to wait until about a week before hand then go ratting all week and dump all that on a bounty on you.

I reckon it's going to be at least 500mil.

Then I guess that would be a flaw. Null sec alliances already earn a profit on the ships they lose, as far as I'm aware.