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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2012.11.17 01:21:00 -
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ISD Cyberdyne wrote:There is a upside to this tragedy...
...Sno Balls will be gone :)
I love David Lynch's "The Straight Story" in it's openig scene with the obese woman scarfing down a platter-full of pink Sno Balls. |

MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
175
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Posted - 2012.11.17 03:02:00 -
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I might have eaten 1 of those. Good riddance. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
981
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Posted - 2012.11.17 04:33:00 -
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Update: it is dying indeed.
http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Hostess-to-close-lay-off-145-in-Oakland-4045280.php |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
981
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Posted - 2012.11.17 04:39:00 -
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Webvan wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Webvan wrote:Thanks unions  Only an amateur would blame the unions. The real culprit here is Equal Access to Education, as in Mothers (aka Women) not letting their kids eat twinkies anymore, thus reducing Twinkie's marketshare. Once again, educating women is shown to be anti-capitalistic and thus un-American. Damn those liberal intellectual elitists! Think again. It's the same thing happening at many businesses in the US, an extremely anti-business climate by this administration in favor of government jobs over private sector jobs. In the REAL world, employers sometimes decrease pay and/or benefits during hard times, it saves jobs. But unions have never understood this, demanding entitlement they think they deserve, which goes against any form of basic business accounting. With what's coming, with what even the markets are showing as they do this slow-crash/hard-adjustment since the results of this fraudulent election, they are probably better off de-investing and taking their losses now rather than later. They can downscale, which is nothing new to business, or be forced by the unions to go out of business. Looks like the employees would rather just take unemployment benefits from the government, so much easier than working.
Boo, and I wish there were an unlike button. A Fantasy Reality. You have absolutely no idea what it is like to be poor.
That should happen to you for an uncontrollable reason, and then we will see how your posts read.
Are you even human ? |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3547
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Posted - 2012.11.17 06:14:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Webvan wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Webvan wrote:Thanks unions  Only an amateur would blame the unions. The real culprit here is Equal Access to Education, as in Mothers (aka Women) not letting their kids eat twinkies anymore, thus reducing Twinkie's marketshare. Once again, educating women is shown to be anti-capitalistic and thus un-American. Damn those liberal intellectual elitists! Think again. It's the same thing happening at many businesses in the US, an extremely anti-business climate by this administration in favor of government jobs over private sector jobs. In the REAL world, employers sometimes decrease pay and/or benefits during hard times, it saves jobs. But unions have never understood this, demanding entitlement they think they deserve, which goes against any form of basic business accounting. With what's coming, with what even the markets are showing as they do this slow-crash/hard-adjustment since the results of this fraudulent election, they are probably better off de-investing and taking their losses now rather than later. They can downscale, which is nothing new to business, or be forced by the unions to go out of business. Looks like the employees would rather just take unemployment benefits from the government, so much easier than working. Boo, and I wish there were an unlike button. A Fantasy Reality. You have absolutely no idea what it is like to be poor. That should happen to you for an uncontrollable reason, and then we will see how your posts read. Are you even human ?
When my mother and I moved to Canada from South Africa we had nothing but the clothes in our luggage. 18 years later and I own $1m in real estate due to old fashioned hard work (also 6 years in the Marines so government benefits that say I don't have to make a down payment on any property I want to buy) and a sense of direction. Screw you lazy hippies, I didn't have childhood (aluminum sided tiny house) and now I'm deciding which Aston Martin I want 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Tinja Soikutsu
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
278
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Posted - 2012.11.17 07:11:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:When my mother and I moved to Canada from South Africa we had nothing but the clothes in our luggage. 18 years later and I own $1m in real estate due to old fashioned hard work (also 6 years in the Marines so government benefits that say I don't have to make a down payment on any property I want to buy) and a sense of direction. Screw you lazy hippies, I didn't have childhood (aluminum sided tiny house) and now I'm deciding which Aston Martin I want  tl;dr *looks in mirror* fapfapfapfap
You can work as hard as you like, but if the corporates decide to bend you over the barrel for a thorough ****ing, there's nothing you can do about it in our society and you're pretty much ****ed for the rest of your life. |

Raymond Le Roux
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.11.17 07:42:00 -
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Webvan wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Webvan wrote:Thanks unions  Only an amateur would blame the unions. The real culprit here is Equal Access to Education, as in Mothers (aka Women) not letting their kids eat twinkies anymore, thus reducing Twinkie's marketshare. Once again, educating women is shown to be anti-capitalistic and thus un-American. Damn those liberal intellectual elitists! Think again. It's the same thing happening at many businesses in the US, an extremely anti-business climate by this administration in favor of government jobs over private sector jobs. In the REAL world, employers sometimes decrease pay and/or benefits during hard times, it saves jobs. But unions have never understood this, demanding entitlement they think they deserve, which goes against any form of basic business accounting. With what's coming, with what even the markets are showing as they do this slow-crash/hard-adjustment since the results of this fraudulent election, they are probably better off de-investing and taking their losses now rather than later. They can downscale, which is nothing new to business, or be forced by the unions to go out of business. Looks like the employees would rather just take unemployment benefits from the government, so much easier than working.
Bitter much? |

Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2012.11.17 12:29:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Boo, and I wish there were an unlike button. A Fantasy Reality. You have absolutely no idea what it is like to be poor.
That should happen to you for an uncontrollable reason, and then we will see how your posts read.
Are you even human ?
Ah class warfare, eh? Way to post! Actually, I've not only run a service business, but worked for a business for about a decade. I started out at minimum wage, and that was way below this $7-$8/hr bs now. In the time that I was there, not only did I manage to pull the highest raises due to work performance (I worked hard), but I worked my way into positional promotions, winding up being the top paid hourly wage employee at a company of over 1000 employees.
The company went through hard times, laid off some people, wages decreased, benefits cut (that's where I took the hit, was fine with me, I understood), and we all got our 401k's wiped out.
If I were working a government job, nothing would have changed. Here in the US, they even had post office workers literally assigned to empty back rooms doing absolutely nothing every day, required to do nothing, because they weren't allowed to take cuts or be laid off.
Part of this hostess thing, delivery trucks cant transport both wonder bread and twinkies in the same vehicle, this due to agreements with the unions. Meanwhile union workers complain the cuts are almost "like" working minimum wage, so now they can eat their pride I guess.
Now, am I human? way to troll! Some say I'm part of an advance android invasion party from the planet X |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
981
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Posted - 2012.11.17 13:30:00 -
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Webvan wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Boo, and I wish there were an unlike button. A Fantasy Reality. You have absolutely no idea what it is like to be poor.
That should happen to you for an uncontrollable reason, and then we will see how your posts read.
Are you even human ?
Ah class warfare, eh? Way to post! Actually, I've not only run a service business, but worked for a business for about a decade. I started out at minimum wage, and that was way below this $7-$8/hr bs now. In the time that I was there, not only did I manage to pull the highest raises due to work performance (I worked hard), but I worked my way into positional promotions, winding up being the top paid hourly wage employee at a company of over 1000 employees. The company went through hard times, laid off some people, wages decreased, benefits cut (that's where I took the hit, was fine with me, I understood), and we all got our 401k's wiped out. If I were working a government job, nothing would have changed. Here in the US, they even had post office workers literally assigned to empty back rooms doing absolutely nothing every day, required to do nothing, because they weren't allowed to take cuts or be laid off. Part of this hostess thing, delivery trucks cant transport both wonder bread and twinkies in the same vehicle, this due to agreements with the unions. Meanwhile union workers complain the cuts are almost "like" working minimum wage, so now they can eat their pride I guess. Now, am I human? way to troll! Some say I'm part of an advance android invasion party from the planet X
The point is that everyone's life is absolutely different, and under a plethora of circumstances.
Your experience is not necessarily universal nor does it imply that by any means.
Neither is anyone's. |

stoicfaux
1786
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Posted - 2012.11.17 14:01:00 -
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I had a summer job programming at a TV manufacturing plan and you weren't allowed to pick any trash off of the plant floor due to union rules (i.e. picking up trash was a union job and only that union person could pick up any trash.)
OTOH, we can look at history and see that employers will willfully and gleefully exploit workers into virtual slavery, if not outright slavery. And it still happens today despite unions and legal protections. I, for one, am going to laugh my butt off when Chinese workers finally manage to unionize.
As always, there are plenty of examples of abuse on both sides, especially when money (profits or union dues,) power and people's innate resistance to change are involved.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
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Dalmont Delantee
Dropbears with Kebabs SpaceMonkey's Alliance
42
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Posted - 2012.11.17 15:24:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Tinja Soikutsu wrote:yes, how DARE workers get angry about pay cuts as the price of living goes up and up and up... Won't someone think of the poor shareholders?
Yep those poor shareholders who's shares are worth nothing now....like the people now without jobs because their unions did something stupid...like striking when the company is failing.
I had one of those things once (Twinkies) I can't understand how you americans can eat such shite
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Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
157
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Posted - 2012.11.17 17:55:00 -
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Anybody who thinks Twinkies or other Hostess products are going to 'disappear' are out of their goddamned minds.
The Hostess brand and most if not all of what they make will just be manufactured by another company. The brand is worth money, and the products are popular. It's simply that the current business model isn't viable.
I've seen on eBay Twinkies selling for $50 a box. Those people are going to feel like a bunch of goddamned idiots when production resumes under new ownership. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3551
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Posted - 2012.11.17 17:59:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:Anybody who thinks Twinkies or other Hostess products are going to 'disappear' are out of their goddamned minds.
The Hostess brand and most if not all of what they make will just be manufactured by another company. The brand is worth money, and the products are popular. It's simply that the current business model isn't viable.
I've seen on eBay Twinkies selling for $50 a box. Those people are going to feel like a bunch of goddamned idiots when production resumes under new ownership.
Post link or it didn't happen  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
157
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Posted - 2012.11.17 18:04:00 -
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Pretty sure you're just trolling, but here's a box @ $63 with 24 minutes to go.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOSTESS-TWINKIES-SNACK-CAKES-10CT-FRESH-SOLD-OUT-BUY-NOW-BEFORE-THEYRE-GONE-/251185106455?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7bcc8e17
This is almost as bad as Billy Beer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3551
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Posted - 2012.11.17 18:13:00 -
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I haz 15 minutes to outbid!  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
727
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Posted - 2012.11.17 18:18:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:Anybody who thinks Twinkies or other Hostess products are going to 'disappear' are out of their goddamned minds.
The Hostess brand and most if not all of what they make will just be manufactured by another company. The brand is worth money, and the products are popular. It's simply that the current business model isn't viable.
They even say in the article that they shouldn't have any trouble selling the rights to their products. All this Ebay stuff will only make other companies more eager to buy them. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
158
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Posted - 2012.11.17 18:27:00 -
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Yup, there are thousands of brands from food and all other sorts of companies still around today whose original manufacturers went out of business.
And of course, $70/box Twinkies on eBay proves there's no shortage of idiots in the world, and no shortage of people keen enough to make a quick buck off said idiots.
And goddamn, 5 boxes going for $405... http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Boxes-of-10-Individual-Hostess-Twinkies-Golden-Sponge-Cake-with-Creamy-Filling-/140887796116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20cd912994 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Piugattuk
Perkone Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2012.11.18 02:56:00 -
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A tragedy for all us hoho lovers out there...very sad, Obama should bail hostess out to hell with GM give me my hoho's. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1885
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Posted - 2012.11.18 03:42:00 -
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The end of Twinkies means that you fat neckbeards can grow up and eat pork rinds instead.
C'mon if you are slumming it, slum it all the way.
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Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
454
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Posted - 2012.11.18 14:10:00 -
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Investment tip: Now that Hostess is gone, it's time to buy Little Debbie stock. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3552
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Posted - 2012.11.18 16:44:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The end of Twinkies means that you fat neckbeards can grow up and eat pork rinds instead.
C'mon if you are slumming it, slum it all the way.
I resent that, pork rinds are good 
Also the worst thing that can come of twinkies vanishing...
sometime in the future our kids might watch Zombieland And they'll have no idea what a Twinkie is.... THE ENTIRE MOVIE WILL MAKE NO SENSE TO THEM!!!  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
178
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Posted - 2012.11.18 17:10:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The end of Twinkies means that you fat neckbeards can grow up and eat pork rinds instead.
C'mon if you are slumming it, slum it all the way.
I resent that, pork rinds are good  Also the worst thing that can come of twinkies vanishing... sometime in the future our kids might watch Zombieland And they'll have no idea what a Twinkie is.... THE ENTIRE MOVIE WILL MAKE NO SENSE TO THEM!!! 
Eat pork cracklins whenever you can instead of pork rinds. |

stoicfaux
1788
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Posted - 2012.11.18 19:35:00 -
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Here's a fortune/cnn article about the details and drama occurring prior to Hostess' 2nd (and final) bankruptcy. Basically you can blame everyone: the unions, the hedge funds, and management.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
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MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
178
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Posted - 2012.11.19 01:19:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Here's a fortune/cnn article about the details and drama occurring prior to Hostess' 2nd (and final) bankruptcy. Basically you can blame everyone: the unions, the hedge funds, and management. In that case... it was Bush's fault. |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
159
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Posted - 2012.11.19 12:39:00 -
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Telegram Sam wrote:Investment tip: Now that Hostess is gone, it's time to buy Little Debbie stock. Wiki-Fu: "McKee Foods Corporation is a privately held United States company headquartered in Collegedale, Tennessee." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1890
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Posted - 2012.11.19 20:13:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The end of Twinkies means that you fat neckbeards can grow up and eat pork rinds instead.
C'mon if you are slumming it, slum it all the way.
I resent that, pork rinds are good  Also the worst thing that can come of twinkies vanishing... sometime in the future our kids might watch Zombieland And they'll have no idea what a Twinkie is.... THE ENTIRE MOVIE WILL MAKE NO SENSE TO THEM!!! 
No no no. Pork rinds are good when you make a dip out of cream cheese and bacon bits. Don't forget to add the bacon fat to the cheese when you mix it.
By some miracle I have a 32" waist.... |

Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
456
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Posted - 2012.11.19 21:46:00 -
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MinefieldS wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The end of Twinkies means that you fat neckbeards can grow up and eat pork rinds instead.
C'mon if you are slumming it, slum it all the way.
I resent that, pork rinds are good  Also the worst thing that can come of twinkies vanishing... sometime in the future our kids might watch Zombieland And they'll have no idea what a Twinkie is.... THE ENTIRE MOVIE WILL MAKE NO SENSE TO THEM!!!  Eat pork cracklins whenever you can instead of pork rinds. Or Slim Jims. Those are great. And if there's a zombie invasion, the nitrite preservatives in them could be used to make explosives. 
But wait, this just in: Hostess isn't dead yet. The bankruptcy judge sent them back to mediation with the union. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20402361 |

Khergit Deserters
210
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Posted - 2012.11.19 22:36:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The end of Twinkies means that you fat neckbeards can grow up and eat pork rinds instead.
C'mon if you are slumming it, slum it all the way.
Pork rinds are excellent, especially the hot red pepper ones. But ever take a swig of beer after eating rinds? WTH is that weird taste? It's like the combo of rinds and beer produces a funky swamp mud flavor. Kid:-á I wish we had time to bury them fellas. Josey Wales:-á To hell with them fellas. Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3562
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Posted - 2012.11.19 22:39:00 -
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Telegram Sam wrote:MinefieldS wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The end of Twinkies means that you fat neckbeards can grow up and eat pork rinds instead.
C'mon if you are slumming it, slum it all the way.
I resent that, pork rinds are good  Also the worst thing that can come of twinkies vanishing... sometime in the future our kids might watch Zombieland And they'll have no idea what a Twinkie is.... THE ENTIRE MOVIE WILL MAKE NO SENSE TO THEM!!!  Eat pork cracklins whenever you can instead of pork rinds. Or Slim Jims. Those are great. And if there's a zombie invasion, the nitrite preservatives in them could be used to make explosives.  But wait, this just in: Hostess isn't dead yet. The bankruptcy judge sent them back to mediation with the union. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20402361
I love slim jims! Squeeze it and grease comes out the end  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2012.11.20 02:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
The point is that everyone's life is absolutely different, and under a plethora of circumstances.
Your experience is not necessarily universal nor does it imply that by any means.
Neither is anyone's.
Actually it does apply since you pulled the class warfare card and assumed that I have never gone through any such experience. Actually more than once, but really none of your business. As for any difference, purely economical, not union as is the case here. So it's really not circumstances as you seem to make it out to be, but that they brought it upon themselves by bringing the unions in. I just stay away from unions, easy as that. And now I sit back an laugh as as the unions fight each other over the carcass of the economy they help to wreck; teamsters vs. bakers in this case, over the corpse of an American icon, maybe we'll see them beat each other up like in the good old days. |
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