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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.04.26 15:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Goran
If they argue that it becomes stealing because they have put the effort into mining it, surely buy the same arguement they are stealing from God, for it was his efforts that put the asteroids there.
Matthew, listen to Goran, he's right!
Ahh, but then God seeded humanity into the universe, and did give humanity custodianship over it, under Him. Hence, by taking ore from the roid, I am not stealing from God, as God had already granted me custodianship over it, and I am just seconding it into my care as I feel God would wish. If God wishes to reclaim his stuff and renounce the custodianship, he can. However, an ore thief is not God, therefore does not have that right 
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Buster Hymen
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Posted - 2005.04.26 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Matthew
Except, as soon as you mine it, it is no longer the publicly avaliable asteroid, it is your ore. The asteroid is publically avaliable, the ore mined from it is not. Your effort mining it converts the publically avaliable raw resource of the asteroid into the privately owned product of ore.
Wrong. It's not your ore until you secure it. If you choose not to secure it, it is your choice, but you are already aware of the potential consequences of jet can mining. Passing ore "through" your "container" doesn't make it any more yours than the "thief" who is doing the "work" of moving the ore to the station while you keep mining of your own free will.
Originally by: Buster Hymen
Use Giant Secure Cans. Or just team up with a buddy in an Interon. Or just insta jump back and forth to the station.
I'm really having trouble understanding why #2 is so hard for people to comply with.
Originally by: Matthew
Why don't you try it out yourself for a while, you'll soon work out why
I have. It's not a big deal with a hauler in the corp. Why is it an issue for you? I realise you couldn't mine by yourself as efficiently without the jet can, but there are plenty of systems of 0.6 and 0.7 activity where you can do this relatively unmolested.
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Jason Wynn
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Posted - 2005.04.26 16:59:00 -
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You've got to be kidding us...
"When we have a hauller in a corp we can mine in secure cans easy?"
Who told you that? Have you tried it out?
A large barge can fill a secure can in one pull. If you have 8-10 of em mining, how a hauller can keep up with this and how many cans will you need? If for one sec we assume you have enough haullers to do that indeed, you'll make a secure-can "net" that in order to reach the belt will force you to duck cans.
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Buster Hymen
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Posted - 2005.04.26 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Wynn
You've got to be kidding us...
"When we have a hauller in a corp we can mine in secure cans easy?"
Who told you that? Have you tried it out?
A large barge can fill a secure can in one pull. If you have 8-10 of em mining, how a hauller can keep up with this and how many cans will you need? If for one sec we assume you have enough haullers to do that indeed, you'll make a secure-can "net" that in order to reach the belt will force you to duck cans.
Unless CCP introduces a big enough secure can, this is no alternative really.
I've done my share of mining ops. They suck a large bag of wind.
Well gawsh, I never thought that you'd have 8-10 barges mining at once.   *end sarcasm*
However, don't ya think a corp that can afford to run 8-10 barges can find two (or gasp - 3 if necessary) Interon V's to help out with the heavy lifting???
Something tells me unless you're a macro miner, this shouldn't be a problem for you.
Nice try. Your greed is the cause of the problem. Ore "piracy" is the solution.
I'll take every piece of ore and every unlocked can from system to system in empire until you guys learn that you'd better get more hauler(s) to work with you or go elsewhere.
Don't like it? Well, at least I'm not shooting you. Yet, anyway ...
YARRRRRR!!!! 
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Jason Wynn
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Posted - 2005.04.27 07:02:00 -
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Sure thing...
Bumpage so you can't warp till the rats get you 4tw 
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Theonlystd
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Posted - 2005.04.27 07:43:00 -
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Erm mining into secure cans is for renards. U can fill it pretty fast in an osprey and barges pfft good luck. A hauler with instants wouldnt be able to keep up with more than one person doing it into a secure can if that.
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.04.27 12:08:00 -
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Why is it always pirates whom are so vocal in the area of mining?
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Something tells me unless you're a macro miner, this shouldn't be a problem for you.
Wrong: if you are a macros miner you simply have a 2nd account Iteron flying backwards and forwards emptying your can. (It can be done and i once had some one kicked for doing it)
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Your greed is the cause of the problem. Ore "piracy" is the solution.
The problem with secure cans is that they cant be placed within a distance of each other (5km?) the problem with that is that if a mining laser has a 12km range and you can open cans 1500m away, you are limited to filling one can up in a time. It would be stupid in a large mining barge...... You would spend half you life hauling every five minutes (or pay ccp an extra subscription a month)
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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JackDeath
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Posted - 2005.04.27 13:01:00 -
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About the cans in the last 2 patches they left out the scoop option from the game and now you can drop cargo cans any place no need to anchor them any more for no one can take them!
So miners fill the ore belts with cans till there so full that some one has to fix 3 of the probs about mining!!!
And if no one is smart to know that the players that need zyd or other good just do crapy missions and melt all you get!
That will not only kill the need for mining but will kill the ore robber as well!
No more mining = No more robber = less fun for them.
I am told by some they made the missions drop so much loot so that no one needs to do any thing but missions.
Think of all the loot you get as the ISK Hoard it all!
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Buster Hymen
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Posted - 2005.04.27 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Theonlystd
Erm mining into secure cans is for renards. U can fill it pretty fast in an osprey and barges pfft good luck. A hauler with instants wouldnt be able to keep up with more than one person doing it into a secure can if that.
CCP specifically designed barges to have larger capacity cargo holds to avoid the exact complaints people would have about high yeild / low carge volume mining that barges would bring.
I've mined a lot with my alt in barges. I know what they are capable of doing. I also know that it is more efficient to jet can mine. However, you also know that ore "theft" is a potential issue when you do this, so why are you bothering?
It can be avoided by either use of a standby cargo vessel (which is somehow problematic for you to contend with), or going back and forth to the station between loads.
Does it nerf miners a bit? Yes. Does CCP care? No. They've stated several times that they expected mining to occur in such a manner.
We're sorry that you don't like to mine that way, but it's life - get over it.
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TjanitN Tcroxlr
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Posted - 2005.04.27 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Buster Hymen
2) Use Giant Secure Cans. Or just team up with a buddy in an Interon. Or just insta jump back and forth to the station.I'm really having trouble understanding why #2 is so hard for people to comply with
"Secure" Cans are expensive, hold less, and cant be anchored in 0.8 and up so they really arent secure at all. I dont trust people with indys, even if they are in my own corp, unless I know them.
I dont see why that is so hard for you to understand.
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2005.04.27 22:35:00 -
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Death to all miners!
And I want a bigger explosion graphic when they pop.
Oh, and some cool sound effect with screaming and wailing.
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Winter ICE
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Posted - 2005.04.29 18:55:00 -
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yeah, the kill-ore thief theory works fine if you
plan on the fact that the orethievs don't go in
convoy, that would really be nasty
And, if you're a miner, never go without the
support of a fellow indy, to haul imidiatly
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