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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.04.20 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Herko Kerghans on 20/04/2005 03:05:09
As itĘs public knowledge, UQS has recently been the victim of the greatest corp theft of recent history.
As it was admitted by the perpetrators, UQS's CEO was the main target of the operation.
Also publicly known is the fact that the said UQS corp is the founder of the Aegis Militia Alliance. In the formation ceremony. According to the news report:
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It is their unique stance where they pledge to defend the Empire, even if it goes against the will of the Emperor, which they believe sets them apart from other loyalist alliances. Mirial said, "We are guided by our faith and dedication. Too often now, there is internal corruption within the Empire. We stand for the Empire and the Amarrian people, which is distinct from the interests of any Emperor. Often the two coincide but not always and the interests of God and Empire are the greater goal", highlighting a previously unheard of lack of faith in the Emperor.
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Nową IĘm a firm non-believer. I donĘt believe in Godą and I donĘt believe in coincidence, either.
I would like the opinion of amarrians in this subject:
Was the theft actually God's punishment for such a... disturbing lack of faith in the Emperor?
Was the Guiding Hand Social Club actually the Hand of God in disguise?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.04.20 03:52:00 -
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Interesting topic.
While my years spent living in the Empire, and my many close dealings with the esteemed Amarr have engendered in me an observer's appreciation and - dare I say it - admiration for the Imperial faith, I am still an atheist infidel and not about to change. Surely their god would choose a more deserving set of agents to enact his divine will, than my outfit of well-dressed villains.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.04.20 04:25:00 -
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It surprised me, somehow, that it was an outsider like me that noticed the two events...
No believer would deny that whatever happens, has a purpose in God's plans. Such a fait as your organization pulled out has to be part of a very big plan, indeed.
Maybe it's punishment...
...maybe it's a test?
What if the Amarr God was indeed displeased with the Emperor's doings? What if UQS was His weapon of choice, his sword so to speak... and your theft the anvil with which He desires to forge it?
I believe it's been said, God works in misterious ways...
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.04.20 04:34:00 -
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The criminal acts against the Amarrian loyalists of UQS are criminal acts...... not the will of God. Even as some have different views of the state of our Empire there is still only one God of Amarr.
I can not believe a criminal mastermind such as Istvaan Shogaatsu could be the "hand of God" as is implied. Nor do I believe a benevolent God, one of mercy and caring, would see an entire corporation victimized in this fashion.
No this was a heinous criminal act. Nothing more.
UQS is strong and will survive. Amarr is strong. God is strong. The faith of billions will not be deterred.
Archbishop
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.04.20 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
The criminal acts against the Amarrian loyalists of UQS are criminal acts...... not the will of God.
With utmost respect... how could this possibly be?
How could anything not be the will of God?
How could something of this magnitude not be included into God's plans?
Either it's punishment, or is a test.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.04.20 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
The criminal acts against the Amarrian loyalists of UQS are criminal acts...... not the will of God. Even as some have different views of the state of our Empire there is still only one God of Amarr.
I can not believe a criminal mastermind such as Istvaan Shogaatsu could be the "hand of God" as is implied. Nor do I believe a benevolent God, one of mercy and caring, would see an entire corporation victimized in this fashion.
No this was a heinous criminal act. Nothing more.
UQS is strong and will survive. Amarr is strong. God is strong. The faith of billions will not be deterred.
Archbishop
But Archbishop, my Ammatar monestary's say otherwise.
In the station I happened to catch wind of such a sermon being given by a claric of the faith. He mentioned while god is kind and caring to those faithful, he is harsh and cold to those who are lax in their faith.
Now as an Ammatar I would never pass judgement on an esteemed corporation such as UQS, as I have talked with many of their members and have found them to be extrodinary people, far more so then this humble servent.
However I must concede that they did back Jamyl's stance that the succession was heretic, and that the current emperor was chosen through herasy itself. Such an act of these proportions, surely matches up with gods other lessons, for is his devine hand not in all things? That's what I was led to believe when I studied the scriptures.
I submit it certainly could have been a punishment, or even a test of faith. However I also submit that I am no Amarrian and neither is the origional poster. Therefore I suspect that if I am wrong, god shall punish both me and him accordingly. I await his answer.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.04.20 05:29:00 -
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If this is a test of God, then we shall be tested. We have been tested before and we shall be tested now. One thing about these tests though, the student always comes out of them either broken or stronger, never in between.
God is great, and we will see what he has planned for us.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.20 05:37:00 -
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And then you will all dance by the firelight in the cave and give thanks to the mothergod for a bountiful hunt.
please,
Act of god is mearly an act of a few Caldari siezing the oppertunity. Thats all it is.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.04.20 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
And then you will all dance by the firelight in the cave and give thanks to the mothergod for a bountiful hunt.
please,
Act of god is mearly an act of a few Caldari siezing the oppertunity. Thats all it is.
Ly'sol, this thread's is not about questioning somebody's beliefs. The purpose is an honest question to those who do believe.
UQS questioned the Emperor's attitudes, and their CEO was the one talking. That's a fact.
They got striked, and the CEO was the target. That's a fact.
For those who believe in God, it's also a fact that this fits His plans, somehow. I just wish to know what the plan is, in their opinion.
Did UQS acted in a somewhat heretical way with their comments about the Emperor? Is this God's punishment?
Or are UQS on the rigth track, and God wishes to test if they are worthy to follow?
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.04.20 06:23:00 -
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I'm not an Amarrian, but I'd like to mention the obvious:
Lack of faith in the God of the Amarrians doesn't seem to hurt the Minmatar rebels at all. Neither has it ever hurt me.
Is my fellow Caldari stirring up trouble for it's own sakes? I know they made us do these mental exercises in the School of Applied Knowledge, but that didn't mean you should take them to Galnet...
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.04.20 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
Is my fellow Caldari stirring up trouble for it's own sakes?
No.
I'm not interested in stirring trouble. I'm interested in points of view different from my own.
I already see a member of UQS whose spirit is strengthened by adverse odds. That something all fellow Caldari should appreciate...
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.04.20 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Nor do I believe a benevolent God, one of mercy and caring, would see an entire corporation victimized in this fashion.
Mercy and Caring? Mercy and Caring!
You are a fool Amarrian. A fool to believe such a thing. But then your translation of mercy probably includes conquering and enslaving entire races, and killing those that refuse.
Such Mercy.
Such Compassion.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.04.20 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Herko Kerghans
I already see a member of UQS whose spirit is strengthened by adverse odds. That something all fellow Caldari should appreciate...
Perhaps I do. Perhaps I do, at that.
So are you saying that what you actually sought was a confirmation of strength of the human spirit? Or should that be: strengthened by the belief in the God?
Which megacorp is looking for soldiers this time?
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.04.20 09:06:00 -
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Deus in nobis est.
The only true god is the human will. And the will of the UQS failed.
Fade into obscurity, victims. You have fueled our fire.
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2005.04.20 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tony Fats on 20/04/2005 09:15:23
God? A test?
No.
Try Karma.
I don't know if any of you are aware of this ancient Terran religious concept, but one of the elders mentioned it. Seems to fit the situation.
Look at it this way...it's still not as bad as becoming someone else's property, but its good that you got some sand in your noses, maybe you understand now what it feels like to lose everything you own and everyone you love.
So you got hurt, conquered, betrayed, sold, financially ruined. So what. That's been happening to us for the past half millenia.
I'm sure you guys can scrape together a few isk and fly your gold-plated dildos into battle again.
Or you could just...see this as a wake up call, and do the right thing for a change, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.04.20 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
The criminal acts against the Amarrian loyalists of UQS are criminal acts...... not the will of God. Even as some have different views of the state of our Empire there is still only one God of Amarr.
I can not believe a criminal mastermind such as Istvaan Shogaatsu could be the "hand of God" as is implied.
/signed
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Russo
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Posted - 2005.04.20 10:40:00 -
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An act of God? No. God gives us all free will to do as we will. The theives chose to sin, but in doing so they only did what God knew they would do... Everything is set in stone already. There is only one end. God is not whimsical...but patient and wise beyond comprehension.
What could us mortals pretend to know about the designs of a being powerful enough to create the universe, and older that time?
In other words. Dont be a moron.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:03:00 -
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Ahh the ever blind Russo,
Why are you talking, slave? Archbishop has asked you to wash the new SPCS prisoners, hop to it.
As for the people with their own minds, It is clear to see they are cleary de-arranged people. They simply made up their god to excuse their terrible actions and got carried away with the lie.
Perhaps it is time they reformed their god.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:07:00 -
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Probably more important, and relevant to the topic at hand, is that the comments made by the reporter were misquotes and fabrications.
I was personally on-hand at the ceremony in question, and no such anti-Emperor statements were made. Far be it from me to think this is the first time a reporter has juiced thier story for reader appeal, that's just the way of things....
There was a comment made reguarding the fact that, in the Emperor's lack of doing so, we would help reclaim the areas taken by the Blood Raiders. To see that stretched to the extent that is has been is, while not surprising, a bit disapointing.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: Archbishop
Nor do I believe a benevolent God, one of mercy and caring, would see an entire corporation victimized in this fashion.
Mercy and Caring? Mercy and Caring!
You are a fool Amarrian. A fool to believe such a thing. But then your translation of mercy probably includes conquering and enslaving entire races, and killing those that refuse.
Such Mercy.
Such Compassion.
The things that we do are merciful and compassionate because they are for your own good.
Besides, it only hurts if you struggle
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 20/04/2005 11:26:47
Originally by: Graelyn
Probably more important, and relevant to the topic at hand, is that the comments made by the reporter were misquotes and fabrications.
I was personally on-hand at the ceremony in question, and no such anti-Emperor statements were made. Far be it from me to think this is the first time a reporter has juiced thier story for reader appeal, that's just the way of things....
There was a comment made reguarding the fact that, in the Emperor's lack of doing so, we would help reclaim the areas taken by the Blood Raiders. To see that stretched to the extent that is has been is, while not surprising, a bit disapointing.
It gladdens my heart that a member of Aegis Militia has come forward to confirm this.
The press do often put interesting spins on things and I have to say that for an Amarrian loyalist like me the 'anti-Emperor' tone was slightly worrying.
Graelyn, I note that your communication portal, contains an exact reproduction of the offending article. If you are in disagreement with elements of the reporting it might be wise if you edited it as at present it looks like an endorsement of this journalist's account.
Finally, as my brother Archbishop has already stated we do not see the action taken against UQS as some kind of divine judgement. The GHSC were paid to do a job by someone (and I assume it wasn't God). It was his/her judgement that lead to this action.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:41:00 -
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Aye, I shall look into having that adjusted.
But you may rest assured. Were statements made as reported, I was onhand and would have been availible to mete out the Emperor's justice on the spot. 
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.04.20 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Aye, I shall look into having that adjusted.
That would be wise indeed.
Journalists wrongly quoting their source is a common enough mistake... but when in such important matters it is not refuted by the quoted person, the public will take the news piece as valid.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.04.20 13:46:00 -
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It is good to see the crusade towing the subservient CVA line.
But then, what can one expect from people who worship a god and follow a single mans wishes.
And Hardin is quite right, your god had no hand in this. For your god is just a figment made up to ease all your conciences, which must suffer a great deal for the misery you inflict upon my race.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.20 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 20/04/2005 14:00:29
You think Aeternus follows CVA policies? 
The question is, who is laughing at that statement more? Aeternus or CVA?
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2005.04.20 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Russo
God gives us all free will to do as we will. ... Everything is set in stone already. There is only one end.
We have free will, yet everything is predetermined? That's an interesting definition of free will... Heh...
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Posted - 2005.04.20 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
Originally by: Russo
God gives us all free will to do as we will. ... Everything is set in stone already. There is only one end.
We have free will, yet everything is predetermined? That's an interesting definition of free will... Heh...
Smackdown!
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.04.20 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 20/04/2005 14:37:45
Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
Originally by: Russo
God gives us all free will to do as we will. ... Everything is set in stone already. There is only one end.
We have free will, yet everything is predetermined? That's an interesting definition of free will... Heh...
It is indeed possible to have free-will in a deterministic universe.
For example, you had free-will in the past. You had complete choice in your past actions. And yet the past is fixed, is it not?
Since God created the universe, and therefore time, we can say that God is outside of time. Thus, from His divine viewpoint, everything is simultaneously in the future, and in the past.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.04.20 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
For example, you had free-will in the past. You had complete choice in your past actions. And yet the past is fixed, is it not?
Nonsense
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Since God created the universe, and therefore time, we can say that God is outside of time. Thus, from His divine viewpoint, everything is simultaneously in the future, and in the past.
And thus, the god will know everything that happens in the future, which makes the action you will take known in advance, which defeats the point of free will.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.04.20 14:43:00 -
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Im afraid im not as eleqouent as some of my colleagues, being a mere warrior, but that is some serious fedo pile right there.
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