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Talon Kitsune
Ryu-Shirudo
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Posted - 2011.10.04 05:35:00 -
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Looking to see if anyone can explain this one to me.
When I'm high sec mining I usually mine in systems with ten or more belts and less that number in miners, hoping to avoid crowding. It doesn't work. Despite the fact that there are a dozen or so belts, and only four or five miners, they will still crowd me. Now that'd be fine except they don't even pick a seperate part of the belt, usually parking within ten klicks, and even tapping some of the same asteroids.
My method is dead simple and lazy as hell - I bring a hauler along (2 weeks to an orca) and I chew up an entire belt at a time, and I don't mind that of the 120,000m3 or so an hour I get some of it is relatively low value stuff like scordite. I'm willing to do a few jumps through lowsec to deliver to the guys paying 10-25% above market value. Doing so I verage about 50-75 mil a belt, couple hours per belt, it works for me.
I know not everyone mines that way obviously. Of the ones I run into. Some of them "cherry pick" going for the higher yield versions of the ores and spend their day jumping around from belt to belt to find them. Others pick a different system and different ore every trip - can't really figure that one out - and some I've noticed actually seem to want to crowd people. These types I always find in close proximity to other miners, that they aren't in fleet with.
So my question is, what's up with the crowders? Is the idea the same as pearl harbor, grouping together is safer? Is it like I Robots? Where if you put them in a dark place they crowd together instinctively? Just curious really. Doesn't hurt my bottom line all that much, but it can get annoying. |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.10.04 06:01:00 -
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If there is someone in a belt when I get there I move to a different one. The systems I usually mine in aren't usually that full. I guess maybe some people like to mine with others around in case suicide gankers come along there is a chance you can get away while they are killing the other guy. |
Kamden Line
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
2
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Posted - 2011.10.04 06:02:00 -
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Talon Kitsune wrote: Is the idea the same as pearl harbor, grouping together is safer?.
Yes. The herd = One predator will have a high chance to catch prey, but the danger to each individual is low because there are so many.
For example, the ice fields in Seil are always crowded with Mackinaws. Say for example, I come along in a Thorax and gank one. If there are 16 Mackinaws sitting there mining, each person has a 1/16 chance to get ganked, versus say, mining solo in a Covetor, wherein you will always end up on somebodies killboard. |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
76
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Posted - 2011.10.04 09:51:00 -
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it could be a bot sounds like he is
try and find out
does it jetcan or does it fly back to the station each time
hox long his he lining do you know
does he ever speaks in local
jow does he react if you bump him
try and find out of he is real or a bot and if he is a bot report him
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
5
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Posted - 2011.10.04 16:59:00 -
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I do not experience this with the systems I mine. Do you mine in caldari space by any chance? I do have 3 systems bookmarked tho and prefer some bookmarks over others due to them being unmined when I get there.
I have heard of mining pvp tho when a resident mining corp wants to inconvenience newcomers by mining them out. I have even heard of a corp that does this in a mercanary manner, being paid to mine out systems to get other miners to leave. I admit I have mobilized my corp once to mine a guys rocks from under him because a former corp member'S day was being ruined by this guy mining in his belt. I don't subscribe to the "the belt I am mining is mine" mentality said corp member had, but it seemed to me that A show of corp solidarity behind him seemed to be called for as he was having a bad day. 5 or so hulks targetted whatever rock the "intruder" mined til the belt was gone. I would not repreat that performance again tho... I think.
What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again! |
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
4
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Posted - 2011.10.04 18:46:00 -
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All of the above are viable reasons for other miners parking up exactly where you are mining. [MANET] corp have used a T3 ship,a Proteus, to ram my Retriever out of 'their' belt/s in the past although I took no notice. Moving along at 4000 kph without my engines on was entertaining for a little while.  . I will admit to finding it annoying when others mine where I have set up bookmarks though.
I would suggest the most likely explanations are either that you are mining near another persons bookmark/ GSC or that they are a bot. It's easy to time someone and if they leave and arrive at the same time intervals and won't talk to you they are probably a bot.
It's rather like someone sitting in front of you in the cinema when the room is virtually empty. I hate that. lol |
Nguyen Jinjer
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.04 19:20:00 -
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sounds like they're doing it on purpose to me. Test them. The next time they get that close, move to a new belt. If they follow you, they're actively messing with your mining; perhaps in an attempt to get you to move on. It may also be that you are in belts with the better asteroids. When people crowded me (i.e., stay on your side of the belt, not mine), I would become more active and target their roids with all of my mining lasers. Then, once every third of a cycle or so, I would stop the mining lasers and restart them, which means you get some pieces of the roid before the other guy finishes a cycle. If you do that enough and he's not doing it at all, you can pop the roid out from under him before he completes more than a cycle or two. I guarantee it will **** him off. |
Rikanin
The Azerick Corporation
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 05:50:00 -
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I've seen this topic come up before several times and the only thing I've been able to glean from previous postings is that nobody seems to have the exact same idea of what mining etiquette is/should be.
Personally, I don't mind if someone mines in the same belt though I prefer you stay a respectable distance away - call it that I don't like to be crowded or maybe that if I have to warp the orca out to unload I don't want you in range of any jet can I may have to drop if I don't get back before my hold fills up. Maybe it's even that I'd prefer your griefing buddies don't get to use you as a warp in point to gank me with suicide destroyers. I also happen to think it's rude as hell to mine the same rock someone else is already on.
Having said that... depending on who you ask you could get a different answer.
They range from "I don't care how close you are and the ore isn't mine until it's in my hold"
all the way to, "I was in this belt first therefore it's mine so get out!"
And everything in between.
So while you might think someone is trying to **** you off - it may be that their idea of what's appropriate/annoying is different than yours.
But I agree...if it's a bot...report their ass.
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 12:13:00 -
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Nguyen Jinjer wrote:sounds like they're doing it on purpose to me. Test them. The next time they get that close, move to a new belt. If they follow you, they're actively messing with your mining; perhaps in an attempt to get you to move on. It may also be that you are in belts with the better asteroids. When people crowded me (i.e., stay on your side of the belt, not mine), I would become more active and target their roids with all of my mining lasers. Then, once every third of a cycle or so, I would stop the mining lasers and restart them, which means you get some pieces of the roid before the other guy finishes a cycle. If you do that enough and he's not doing it at all, you can pop the roid out from under him before he completes more than a cycle or two. I guarantee it will **** him off.
If you really are getting crowded, then this is something to consider. The restarting of lasers isn't going to do much until the roid is almost popped (since they mine at an almost constant rate over time whether or not you restart the lasers).
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Nguyen Jinjer
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 14:16:00 -
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Tasko Pal wrote:The restarting of lasers isn't going to do much until the roid is almost popped (since they mine at an almost constant rate over time whether or not you restart the lasers).
The mining laser doesn't actually mine anything until the cycle ends. You can observe this same behavior on your own by mining out most of a roid and then putting a second laser on it. Your first laser will finish its cycle and pop the roid. The second laser will stop without adding anything to your hold. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:15:00 -
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This probably has nothing to do with you being in the belt. The fact is there are positions in each belt that are optimum for strip mining. Most serious miners bookmark these locations if they mine in a belt repeatedly. So what you are probably seeing is just a few miners making a logical attempt to position themselves in the belts so they don't have to move as much.
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Calipygian
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:33:00 -
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Nguyen Jinjer wrote:The mining laser doesn't actually mine anything until the cycle ends.
I think a more accurate way to phrase this is: The laser continually updates the amount that will be mined when it is shut off or the cycle ends. |
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