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Tethis
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Posted - 2005.04.21 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tethis on 22/04/2005 00:23:11
Edited by: Tethis on 22/04/2005 00:19:59
After chatting to a couple of the guys from supremecy. they explained their side and i withdraw my comments and offer an apology.
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Rufus Gullotine
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Posted - 2005.04.21 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rufus Gullotine on 21/04/2005 23:24:29
Imo, this makes a mockery of scouting & combat etc. Clearly from responses it is believed this to be a valid war tactic, so if someone can explain where the realism comes from I'd be happy to concede. ...and before the inevitable smack talk starts, been killed and have killed a few times over the last few weeks and never had a complaint, enjoyed it a lot until now...
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Apex Predator
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Posted - 2005.04.21 23:27:00 -
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Correct me if im wrong, but isnt the "log in" tactic a known exploit and hence banned ?
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Arkanis
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Posted - 2005.04.21 23:41:00 -
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9uy is a big system with going by memory at least five gates, so are you sure they logged on and simply didn't jump in and warp to? Also if you had 'All effects -off' shortcut on you wouldn't have seen the gate go either.
I'm just asking as I wasn't there.
Thanks,
Arkanis.
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2005.04.21 23:44:00 -
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I was there and didn't have everything turned off... and we came through the system beside the gate and it was empty...
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Leilani Solaris
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Posted - 2005.04.21 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Leilani Solaris on 21/04/2005 23:47:22
we had scouted systems all around the area, and theres wasn't a soul except a few people alone, none of which from supremacy except the apoc we engaged. then as we're at the gate taking him down, bam! local fills up with people that we knew weren't anywhere near before..
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Fangdango
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Posted - 2005.04.21 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Fangdango on 22/04/2005 00:25:38
All sorted nothing to see here ... move along  
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Heid banger
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Posted - 2005.04.22 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Heid banger on 22/04/2005 00:23:19
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Droidster
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Posted - 2005.04.22 00:02:00 -
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You have no assurance it was a logon unless they admit it or you had scouts at every gate which seems unlikely.
To ambush someone it is easy to hide one or two jumps away in a dead end system. Did you check ALL the adjoining dead-end systems? I doubt it.
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Obidios
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Posted - 2005.04.22 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Obidios on 22/04/2005 00:27:35
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Tethis
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Posted - 2005.04.22 00:26:00 -
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A said I now believe i was wrong. meant no offence
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Wizard
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Posted - 2005.04.22 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Wizard on 22/04/2005 00:31:09
Edited by: Wizard on 22/04/2005 00:28:32
Was a gd skirmish i thought, intell from me and a suprm scout indicated 5 or 6 frigs in the system next door to me so i sat there waiting.
As soon as you jumped in ( closer to 10 of you, some af, inties and frig mix) i just......well, you know the rest
See ya around.
No one i fly with in suprm loggs on to gank in same system, id bloody tell on em myself if it became an issue, crux of the matter is i was flying solo all night and was just about to join up when you lot decided to atack.
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Obidios
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Posted - 2005.04.22 00:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Tethis
Edited by: Tethis on 22/04/2005 00:23:11
Edited by: Tethis on 22/04/2005 00:19:59
After chatting to a couple of the guys from supremecy. they explained their side and i withdraw my comments and offer an apology.
Apology accepted by me.. Next time check up more before heading to the forums to bad mouth people 
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.04.22 04:31:00 -
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Next time fraps it and make video with cheesy 80s music.
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2005.04.22 06:23:00 -
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Erm, we did Fraps it, but sounds like we jumped to conclusions based on how fast reactions came. Sincere apologies for that...
Still concerned about the indications that it's not treated as an exploit in general though...
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me chicky
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Posted - 2005.04.22 07:05:00 -
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i was in flight when this happened and while my friend is convinced that u did not use the log in ''tactic'' i for one say u did, we had the area well and truely scouted out. We was in fast frigs and for u to get the jump on us like that as quick as u did,i am still convinced u had to have logged on at same time.It's one of those things that will always be one of ours word verus's u and as were not known and u guys are,most peeps will beleive u. Thats up to them i know what i and many of our pilots saw
Lets move on but understand we wont be fallen for that tactic again were see u in the air
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.04.22 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dracorimus on 22/04/2005 10:11:59
Well it was either us that would have killed you or Supremacy, as you jumped out of where we were in KBP we chased you a bit, then you left and we couldnt be bothered to chase anymore. Almost had one of your intys coming back tho, and the pod was lucky he insta'd hehe
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2005.04.22 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Yarek Balear on 22/04/2005 10:20:31
Getting a couple scouts to check the other side of one gate doesn't constitute a chase m8 ;) |
Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.04.22 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dracorimus on 22/04/2005 11:23:58
Well, when you went through kbp we were gonna all gang warp and engage you at the gate but decided to see where you were going, we knew you had mostly frigs etc, so sent to intys to follow
Then heard from a scout that a ton of people had jumped you so decided to stay put 
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agravator
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Posted - 2005.04.22 13:04:00 -
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Well as far as i am concerned you canot travel as far as you say you did in the time it took you to get to us.
As for Slacker Industries there was no luck involved when it came to geting my pod out.
I will be checking our fraps to see how long it was beetween us engageing the apoc and your fleet jumping us. I may be wrong but i cannot see that we was there long enough for you to get your fleet there in that short amount of time.
If what i think turns out to be correct i will lose all respect i held for you as a pvp corp but on the other had if the time frame was long enough for you to get your fleet there i will post to admit i am wrong.
As for the log on tactic being an expliot i have spoken to a GM and it has not been classed as an exploit for a year now but i think this is wrong it is a lame tactic and should once again be made an exploit!
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Wizard
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Posted - 2005.04.22 13:55:00 -
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NO OFFENSE INTENDED BUT YOU LOT NEED TO CHILL AND ADMIT YOU GOT WTFPAWNED.
As i said earlier, i was solo hunting all evening and came down via sv5 towards y-m, on t/s my corp m8s had little gang going all night, i spoke with them and agreed to meet them in 9uy4. They were coming from 36n down towards y-m so if you know the area at all youll realise its a completely differnt route.
Maybe you need new scouts?
NO ONE involved in our op logged in for at least 1 hour before this engagement.
It was a gd fight. Thks tethis for apology, to the others who dont beleive me then i guess its back to the drawing board for your next op.
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agravator
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Posted - 2005.04.22 14:33:00 -
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Well i cannot make any further comment on this matter till ive had accsess to our fraps.
As being owned i have been killed many times and i dare say its gonna happen many times more.
I dont mind admiting it.
But to look at it from our point of view if you thorght the same as us you wouldnt accept that as being owned.
As i sad i need to check fraps and if as you say no login tactic was used then yes you done a good job.
but untill ive seen it for my self i dont belive it sorry.
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Makeh
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Posted - 2005.04.22 14:51:00 -
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tbh at first i thought u guys logged in too, but u have such a big corp they have alot of members close by n they all come swarming when they r told i geuss, good corp just dont blob so much plz
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.04.22 14:59:00 -
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I love people who moan about the blob. Either get more numbers, adapt, overcome, or leave.
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Heid banger
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Posted - 2005.04.22 18:10:00 -
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so u appologise but......?
listen to me, me n fangdango had a word with tethis on this issue and we told him he can ask the gm's ,with our approval, to check our logs for any discrepancies so as to prove that we never pulled any log on trap.
IMHO i think you cant admit u never done enough scouting the area, and that checkin gates without going into the other systems is a failure in your part
Take your lose on the chin like a good man andmit u got beat fair n square.
We, DONT take kindly been called exploiters in any way shape or form.
Heidbanger
Nemesis : Retributive justice in its execution or outcome
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.04.22 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Leilani Solaris
Edited by: Leilani Solaris on 21/04/2005 23:47:22
we had scouted systems all around the area, and theres wasn't a soul except a few people alone, none of which from supremacy except the apoc we engaged. then as we're at the gate taking him down, bam! local fills up with people that we knew weren't anywhere near before..
If it was just a single apoc and several of you....what the hell took you so long in terms of killing it? None of my fights last much longer than 45 sec to 1 min very tops. so from the time you engage, they log in(if this happened), and then they form up and warp to you, how can that take place in <1 min?
these are just rhetorical questions. I don't see the logon deal as a strat that's going to or should do anything other than possibly trap some people in a SS or force them to log or what not. Unless the place where people warp to is the locus of the battle.
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2005.04.22 18:32:00 -
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DDC has fought many times with Supremacy and they are good at what they do. I have never seen them do the log on tactic myself, and they are normally a good bunch of guys to PVP against (As in fun wise). I dont' like to stick up for them, but hey gotta give credit where it's due. These are words from me, Not DDC.
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TIO 101
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Posted - 2005.04.22 20:12:00 -
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I dont see a problem with logging on a fleet to engage an enemy....
Reason;
You may be on an alternate account minning, agent missioning, npc'n as its quiet, you hear that your enemy is preparing an offencive to try claim station/system, whatever, in RealLife the military would SCRAMBLE all ships/planes capable of defending their assets, in celes we use forums as our main communication and if we spot an enemy force a call to arms would be put out having those members viewing the forum log on asap to form a gang to defend/attack, sometimes this takes minutes but could take hours depending on how many peeps are viewing the forum and time of day.
I distain (sp) corps that have fleets sat offline and every1 awaiting on comms to log on and gank someone, but this is a game and eveybody has they're own way of playing it.
h4xb4n
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Wizard
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Posted - 2005.04.22 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla
Originally by: Leilani Solaris
Edited by: Leilani Solaris on 21/04/2005 23:47:22
we had scouted systems all around the area, and theres wasn't a soul except a few people alone, none of which from supremacy except the apoc we engaged. then as we're at the gate taking him down, bam! local fills up with people that we knew weren't anywhere near before..
If it was just a single apoc and several of you....what the hell took you so long in terms of killing it? None of my fights last much longer than 45 sec to 1 min very tops. so from the time you engage, they log in(if this happened), and then they form up and warp to you, how can that take place in <1 min?
these are just rhetorical questions. I don't see the logon deal as a strat that's going to or should do anything other than possibly trap some people in a SS or force them to log or what not. Unless the place where people warp to is the locus of the battle.
You havent been fighting the right appoc pilot
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operated
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Posted - 2005.04.23 11:21:00 -
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I was in 9uy when it happend . looks to me freeks didnt look at local . cause i saw local filling up and i got the hell outta there . knowing supremacy they fast and hit hard (numbers...) . wasnt log in trap , you were just on the wrong gate me thinks . anyhow you didnt even get outnumberd much as i recall it was 7 vs 10 . thats a nice fight .
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