Or battlecruisers.

I think T3 battleships would be so expensive that they simply wouldn't be fielded by the average player. It's not like a titan or a cap of any kind really where there's a reasonable expectation that it wouldn't blow up in a ball of fire if it was caught by a small five man gang.

Once they fill in the gaps with the current missing ships like Destroyers, I am sure they will move on to make T3 ships for the other ship types. Although they won't be "T3" since CCP is doing this so called "Tiericide". The modular designed ships I am sure will be expanded on in the future.

What about you? Are you in favor of a t3 expansion? Where would you want to see it if so?

My totally terrible idea that would probably get laughed at if I ever went to CCP Fozzie and other ship designers and proposed it would be frigates with 2 subsystems and battleships with 4.

At three to five times the price none the less. And with skill loss at death.

the possibility of ships changing shape in space

I think the heavy assault ships line could do with more changes to make them viable against T3s. The way I see it each race's heavy assault ships are split into two categories: a fast, agile attack ship or a heavy brawler with massive DPS and tank for a cruiser sized ship.

The way I see it, HACs could be rebalanced around the T3s such that the T3 is kind of the middle ground between the two, not excelling in either category but rather a jack of all trades. I think the Vagabond/Muninn/Loki are a good example of this balance. The only thing I'd really change here is that the Muninn should have a couple more low slots and/or change the optimal range bonus to an armor resist bonus.

Therefore: the Vagabond would be more mobile than the Loki but with less tank and DPS, and the Muninn would have more DPS (and potentially more tank) but less mobility than the Loki. Both would be less versatile than the Loki.

I think the heavy assault ships line could do with more changes to make them viable against T3s. The way I see it each race's heavy assault ships are split into two categories: a fast, agile attack ship or a heavy brawler with massive DPS and tank for a cruiser sized ship.

The way I see it, HACs could be rebalanced around the T3s such that the T3 is kind of the middle ground between the two, not excelling in either category but rather a jack of all trades. I think the Vagabond/Muninn/Loki are a good example of this balance. The only thing I'd really change here is that the Muninn should have a couple more low slots and/or change the optimal range bonus to an armor resist bonus.

Therefore: the Vagabond would be more mobile than the Loki but with less tank and DPS, and the Muninn would have more DPS (and potentially more tank) but less mobility than the Loki. Both would be less versatile than the Loki.

My totally terrible idea that would probably get laughed at if I ever went to CCP Fozzie and other ship designers and proposed it would be frigates with 2 subsystems and battleships with 4.

dear God, please dont add any more tech 3 hulls before you have balanced EVERY ship in the game

tech 3 ships were a jesus feature that we have to deal with as its not going away

There was a dev post a while back (too lazy to look for it now) that stated that t3 are meant to be expensive, and frigates/destroyers are meant to be relatively cheap. Therefore, t3 was not a good fit for frigates and destroyers. Battlecruisers are incredibly popular already, so there was no reason to make a t3 BC. That left battleships as the only real viably other class of ship for t3.

Of course, plans/devs/design philosophies change, so nothing is etched in stone.

People should also remember that adding more T3's would be the biggest nerf T3 ships could ever get.

The price of them would soar past triple what they are now.

dear God, please dont add any more tech 3 hulls before you have balanced EVERY ship in the game

tech 3 ships were a jesus feature that we have to deal with as its not going away

The industry around Tech3 manufacture is stunted because they aren't flown/lost as much as they should be.

I'd like to see this:

- Double the number of wormhole systems and double the number of wormhole links to normal space
- Increase sleeper spawns so that each system is more rewarding, this should bolster T3 industry
- Increase the number of ships using Tech 3 components (frigates, destroyer, BS, cap etc.)
- Remove the skill loss upon death mechanic to encourage people to fly in vulnerable situations

I think this would help justify more T3 ships but balance would need to ensure that they aren't the default best ship in any situation. You'll probably see many more players hit and run in zerosec WH space from hisec to take advantage.
Good luck.

The industry around Tech3 manufacture is stunted because they aren't flown/lost as much as they should be.

I'd like to see this:

- Double the number of wormhole systems and double the number of wormhole links to normal space
- Increase sleeper spawns so that each system is more rewarding, this should bolster T3 industry
- Increase the number of ships using Tech 3 components (frigates, destroyer, BS, cap etc.)
- Remove the skill loss upon death mechanic to encourage people to fly in vulnerable situations

I think this would help justify more T3 ships but balance would need to ensure that they aren't the default best ship in any situation. You'll probably see many more players hit and run in zerosec WH space from hisec to take advantage.
Good luck.

you obviously don't live in w-space or spend enough time there. there are enough empty systems as is. less than 5% of the playerbase lives there and it is 1/3 the size of nullsec.

double the number of wormhole links to normal space

The jack of all trades thing is what t3s were meant to be, the problem is that the combat variant is far too powerful. To simply buff t2 past where the t3s are on dps/tank makes them op, nerfing the t3s makes far more sense.

There's also, of course, me being concerned about my ISK/hr when ratting in nulllsec. Nerfing the T3s to make them more in line with HACs will also severely hurt their ability to make ISK. It's a nerf to nullsec income more than anywhere else in the game.