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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2928
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Posted - 2012.11.19 01:32:00 -
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At present there is a problem with ASB's. Once their timer is up you are forced to wait a full minute while they reload cap chargers. This forces players to add two of these modules simply to maintain a normal amount of repping.
This means other important modules such as invulnerability fields are not able to be fitted making these kind of tanks highly innefficient.
What we need to see is the introduction of a remote ASB that can allow fleets to focus their repping on a single ship which can also apply some semblance of resists at the same time.
Let's face it. With all the blob warfare going on these days, Eve online needs to see an overall increase in the tanking capabilities of fleets if we are expected to have reasonable combat engagements where a pilot can expect to engage, contribute and survive more than a few volleys. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Knot'Kul Sun
Guns N'Ore
53
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Posted - 2012.11.19 01:35:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:With all the blob warfare going on these days, Eve online needs to see an overall increase in the tanking capabilities of fleets .
So combat blobbing by making the blob stronger? |

Nex apparatu5
Wormhole Exploration Crew R.E.P.O.
387
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Posted - 2012.11.19 01:40:00 -
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I agree, ships die too fast these days. Maybe a increase in resists or raw HP across the board? The idea of ships having "holes" in their armor/shields is frankly silly and needs to be fixed.
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Knot'Kul Sun
Guns N'Ore
53
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Posted - 2012.11.19 01:43:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:I agree, ships die too fast these days. Maybe a increase in resists or raw HP across the board? The idea of ships having "holes" in their armor/shields is frankly silly and needs to be fixed.
Is an interesting idea, uniform resistances across the board? Then rework the fitting system so you have to try and pick your poison?
I will admit that the idea of the shield races having 0% EM resistance as a start at T1 is weird... like the engineers would fix that hole in the design. |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2928
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Posted - 2012.11.19 01:44:00 -
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Everything has holes, and we all should have the ability to plug those holes... or face the consequences. That is what game balance is all about. Options.
Currently there is no option but to put a couple of ASB's on a ship which is the antithesis of good game design. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5559
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Posted - 2012.11.19 01:48:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:I agree, ships die too fast these days. Maybe a increase in resists or raw HP across the board? The idea of ships having "holes" in their armor/shields is frankly silly and needs to be fixed.
10/10 ~*a-áproud belligerent undesirable*~
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Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.11.19 02:07:00 -
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Eve is overtanked right now, not undertanked. |

Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2012.11.19 02:22:00 -
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Gorn Arming wrote:Eve is overtanked right now, not undertanked.
How so, when a Bhaalgorn and a Vindi can kill an active tanked Hyperion in under 8 seconds? zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |

James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1299
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Posted - 2012.11.19 02:23:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:I agree, ships die too fast these days. Maybe a increase in resists or raw HP across the board? The idea of ships having "holes" in their armor/shields is frankly silly and needs to be fixed. Yeah, heaven forbid you should have to make choices. |

Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
234
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:06:00 -
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The painful part about making a sarcastic OP is that it's completely lost on some people. Amat victoria curam. |

Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
476
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:09:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:At present there is a problem with ASB's. Once their timer is up you are forced to wait a full minute while they reload cap chargers. This forces players to add two of these modules simply to maintain a normal amount of repping.
This means other important modules such as invulnerability fields are not able to be fitted making these kind of tanks highly innefficient.
What we need to see is the introduction of a remote ASB that can allow fleets to focus their repping on a single ship which can also apply some semblance of resists at the same time.
Let's face it. With all the blob warfare going on these days, Eve online needs to see an overall increase in the tanking capabilities of fleets if we are expected to have reasonable combat engagements where a pilot can expect to engage, contribute and survive more than a few volleys.
Funny thing was i was telling one of my alliance mates earlier that you can't just troll the EVE-O forums by just suggesting that you add a feature allowing null sec players to build giant statues of genitals wherever they want, it needs to be much more subtle.
I explained that you need to post posing as asking a legitimate question and then your replies need to be asking posters to either clarify their statements to the extreme or to question a reasonable point they have made with a ludicrous one.
I used miner bumping as an example but then backtracked as CCP Falcon has limited bumping discussions to one thread. However this thread is a perfect example of such trolling.
10/10 would read again. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2931
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:16:00 -
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Thats all well and good if this was a Tippia thread but it isn't, and you haven't been able to refute anything in my post other than claiming it is a troll.
Please remain on topic, it's clear that there are some new moderators around that do not tolerate flame-bait and generally unproductive posts. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Elvis Fett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
116
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:25:00 -
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I don't get it, what's this thread really about? Is this some kind of Anti-ASB thread? How original. |

Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
175
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:27:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:I agree, ships die too fast these days. Maybe a increase in resists or raw HP across the board? The idea of ships having "holes" in their armor/shields is frankly silly and needs to be fixed.
It's a pretty easy fix. These holes exist because ships are modular and cheap. Uniformity is boring, we wouldn't need a quarter as many ships if you started homogenizing all this stuff. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3556
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:16:00 -
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All ships should just come pre-fitted and you can't change it. It'll be like buying a mac  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

The Logi
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:43:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:All ships should just come pre-fitted and you can't change it. It'll be like buying a mac 
We already have pre-fitted ships in EVE where no choices are needed, they're called freighters and they're working as intended. |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:44:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Everything has holes, and we all should have the ability to plug those holes... or face the consequences. That is what game balance is all about. Options.
Currently there is no option but to put a couple of ASB's on a ship which is the antithesis of good game design. But you are suggesting to fix that by means that will improve tanking (shield tanking in particular) while leaving many of old tanking modules behind, except maybe good old 1600mm. Also you suggest to add capless RR into the game while adding zero incentives to tweak existing tanking fits and of course not affecting solo fits.
Besides, introducing even stupidest i-win active tanks won't ever "fix blobbing" since active tank is irrelevant against alpha. And finally, any sort of RR improvement (RASB definitely qualifies) favours larger group more than smaller one.
Subjective note: capless active tanking should die in a fire. Tweak numbers on existing modules instead. |

Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
67
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:52:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Gorn Arming wrote:Eve is overtanked right now, not undertanked. How so, when a Bhaalgorn and a Vindi can kill an active tanked Hyperion in under 8 seconds? ..or a shield buffer tanked Scorp in less than 20, or.. well, the list does go on.
Wow, 2 faction ships, one which is dedicated to sucking cap, the other a ship dedicated to blaster damage dealing, can destroy an active tanked ship quickly which costs a quarter of what they do! |

The Logi
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.11.19 04:57:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Everything has holes, and we all should have the ability to plug those holes... or face the consequences. That is what game balance is all about. Options.
Currently there is no option but to put a couple of ASB's on a ship which is the antithesis of good game design. But you are suggesting to fix that by means that will improve tanking (shield tanking in particular) while leaving many of old tanking modules behind, except maybe good old 1600mm. Also you suggest to add capless RR into the game while adding zero incentives to tweak existing tanking fits and of course not affecting solo fits. Besides, introducing even stupidest i-win active tanks won't ever "fix blobbing" since active tank is irrelevant against alpha. And finally, any sort of RR improvement (RASB definitely qualifies) favours larger group more than smaller one. Subjective note: capless active tanking should die in a fire. Tweak numbers on existing modules instead.
Please do not put hands/feet in the cage or feed the troll. Thank you. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
882
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Posted - 2012.11.19 05:00:00 -
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Personally I think ASB's have done a wonderful thing for solo PVP and would be saddened if they are removed from the game. |

Ludi Burek
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
192
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Posted - 2012.11.19 06:13:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Gorn Arming wrote:Eve is overtanked right now, not undertanked. How so, when a Bhaalgorn and a Vindi can kill an active tanked Hyperion in under 8 seconds? ..or a shield buffer tanked Scorp in less than 20, or.. well, the list does go on.
I'm sure you mean moron tanked... to die that fast. Or a 2mil sp noob in unfitted ship. |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1118
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Posted - 2012.11.19 06:31:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:I agree, ships die too fast these days. Maybe a increase in resists or raw HP across the board?
History lesson.
Back in the day this same complaint was made. So CCP increased all ships raw HP by 50% across the board. The result? Ships died just as fast as the blob increased to compensate. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
840
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:01:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Nex apparatu5 wrote:I agree, ships die too fast these days. Maybe a increase in resists or raw HP across the board? History lesson. Back in the day this same complaint was made. So CCP increased all ships raw HP by 50% across the board. The result? Ships died just as fast as the blob increased to compensate. Apparently, 50% boost wasn't enough. 950% is what we really need nowadays. 14 |

Mutnin
SQUIDS.
282
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:17:00 -
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I think we need high tech smart bombs that are capable of killing pods with out harming the ships he pods were nested in. Think of the tears.. |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1176
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:28:00 -
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the idea is not consequent enough. Eve needs off-grid ASBs. This will allow to tank a blob with a single ship. Conventional armor buffer ships can be still used as pre-fight bait. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
498
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:36:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:At present there is a problem with ASB's. Once their timer is up you are forced to wait a full minute while they reload cap chargers. This forces players to add two of these modules simply to maintain a normal amount of repping.
This means other important modules such as invulnerability fields are not able to be fitted making these kind of tanks highly innefficient.
What we need to see is the introduction of a remote ASB that can allow fleets to focus their repping on a single ship which can also apply some semblance of resists at the same time.
Let's face it. With all the blob warfare going on these days, Eve online needs to see an overall increase in the tanking capabilities of fleets if we are expected to have reasonable combat engagements where a pilot can expect to engage, contribute and survive more than a few volleys.
These remote ASBs you refer to are called shield logis, Basilisk and Scimitar. Wierd that CCP never made these things... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
577
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:49:00 -
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Sooner go the other way and see 50% reduction of hitpoints on all ships.
ships already tank far too well.
Buff small fleet fights, not blobs.
--- "Also, your boobs" - CCP Eterne (Still writing great prose!)
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Muestereate
Oneida Inc.
76
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Posted - 2012.11.21 08:19:00 -
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If boosting hp increases blob size and blob size needs more subscriptions, doesn't it follow that increasing HP will increase EVE subscriptions.
And I do agree also with the idea that we do not need custom fittings. Just plop these ships out of the high sec mfg slots ready to go. |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1963
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Posted - 2012.11.21 08:54:00 -
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0/10
Fail troll is fail.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Marvin Narville
Imperial Outlaws
15
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Posted - 2012.11.21 09:29:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:0/10
Fail troll is fail.
Considering how many people took the bait, and took the time to offer long winded and sincere responses, I think 0/10 is a tad harsh. You must be one of those.. Russian judges. |
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