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Ganjjabeard
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2012.11.19 05:44:00 -
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hi, id like to know why one gets gcc in a hi sec system for doing nothing other than just being there. heres the story: i jc to a system to grab an old ship (was just a blackbird i was toying with back in the day) i jc there to grab it and bring it back to my home system. i took the short route which was about 19 jumps (17 of it thru hi sec) it was either that or 50 jumps thru low sec. anyway, halfway thru the route i land on a gate and it doesnt jump me thru (i usually right click on gate and jump so it warps me then jumps on contact) so i land at 0 and wait for the jump. nothing. suddenly webbd nueted and violenced by concord all over the place lol only to see I HAD SOMEHOW GOTTEN RED GCC WHILE IN WARP (or something). dont get me wrong i dont care about the damn blackbird it was just an old ship with **** fitting but id really like to know the logic behind adding a mechanic like this. i was simply warping from gate to gate not even bouncing off celestials or anything or aggressing anyone. so if someone can please explain the mechanic of randomly being gcc'd in a system while simply in warp from gate to gate id greatly appreciate it. thanks get in the van. |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
412
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Posted - 2012.11.19 05:47:00 -
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Pretty sure that is not a mechanic. Are you sure you didn't accidentally trigger something? zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Ganjjabeard
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
22
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Posted - 2012.11.19 06:11:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Pretty sure that is not a mechanic. Are you sure you didn't accidentally trigger something?
im positive. just right clicked and hit jump on destination gate. it happened before in a raven one time that i actually got back because i petitioned and told ccp that i hadnt done a thing. (which i honestly didnt i was trying to move it asap and it just happened to get gcc for no apparent reason)
but this one i didnt petition it was just a blackbird and i dont even fly ewar lol so it doesnt matter its just the mechanic i dont understand. im very positive i did nothing other than be in the system (from coming from the last system), decloaked and warped to gate and when i landed i couldnt jump because of a sudden red gcc i had somehow acquired. very odd : / get in the van. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1118
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Posted - 2012.11.19 06:34:00 -
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Did you pass through a CONCORD owned system? In those systems CONCORD is the faction police and your sec-status is your standing with them.
I made this mistake once. Automatically went GCC when I entered the system and lost a frigate. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.11.19 06:36:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Did you pass through a CONCORD owned system? In those systems CONCORD is the faction police and your sec-status is your standing with them. And I notice that you have -9.7 security status.
I made this mistake once. Automatically went GCC when I entered the system and lost a frigate. This. I lost a 'Cane to CONCORD in their systems. It's like one constellation in Genesis, IIRC. |
Herr Hammer Draken
160
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Posted - 2012.11.19 07:15:00 -
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Yep faction police are pretty easy to avoid until you transgress on a concord owned system. Then concord becomes the faction police for that system and poof goes your ship.
You thought those faction police were all idiots? Well most are but not the concord boys in blue.
Plus you might have been hit by a bit of lag at the same time so you missed the warp in of concord and maybe the warning message. Not that it would have made any difference if you had seen it, just you would have understood better what did happen. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1302
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Posted - 2012.11.19 07:22:00 -
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I was under the impression that CONCORD in the Genesis constellation behaves the same as any other faction police (with the exception of GCC of course). |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
250
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Posted - 2012.11.19 07:31:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I was under the impression that CONCORD in the Genesis constellation behaves the same as any other faction police (with the exception of GCC of course).
Unless that is a recent change, that would be incorrect. Lost a fleet stabber to that area once, not realizing it was a CONCORD 1.0 system. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1424
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Posted - 2012.11.19 07:36:00 -
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You'll get messages on your screen informing you about in-game events.
If you miss them, you can always refer to your Log and see what happened. . |
Alice Saki
19672
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:02:00 -
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Concord System, Lost an Abaddon :P
Gutted as I was Navy surfing for ages....
Even my alliance was like wtf happened?! http://i.imgur.com/vXey1.png |
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
713
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:03:00 -
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On the bright side this is all to be obsolete soon anyway. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
555
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:22:00 -
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It does indeed sound like you were victimized by CONCORD when you passed through their faction space. This is an odd quirk of the game mechanics that, as is said, will be somewhat obsolete once Crimewatch changes go out with Retribution.
If you weren't traveling through CONCORD space when you lost your ship, I would suggest a petition.
Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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March rabbit
Aliastra
264
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:29:00 -
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Ganjjabeard wrote:so if someone can please explain the mechanic of randomly being gcc'd in a system while simply in warp from gate to gate id greatly appreciate it. thanks your face.... it's not truthful... and black glasses....
make a petition anyway
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
430
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:33:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Did you pass through a CONCORD owned system? In those systems CONCORD is the faction police and your sec-status is your standing with them. And I notice that you have -9.7 security status.
I made this mistake once. Automatically went GCC when I entered the system and lost a frigate.
A god bet this is what happened. If so, his "crime" was being a dude with a warrant out for his arrest who decided to talk a stroll....through a police station......
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
4941
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:55:00 -
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Ganjjabeard wrote:hi, id like to know why one gets gcc in a hi sec system for doing nothing other than just being there. heres the story: i jc to a system to grab an old ship (was just a blackbird i was toying with back in the day) i jc there to grab it and bring it back to my home system. i took the short route which was about 19 jumps (17 of it thru hi sec) it was either that or 50 jumps thru low sec. anyway, halfway thru the route i land on a gate and it doesnt jump me thru (i usually right click on gate and jump so it warps me then jumps on contact) so i land at 0 and wait for the jump. nothing. suddenly webbd nueted and violenced by concord all over the place lol only to see I HAD SOMEHOW GOTTEN RED GCC WHILE IN WARP (or something). dont get me wrong i dont care about the damn blackbird it was just an old ship with **** fitting but id really like to know the logic behind adding a mechanic like this. i was simply warping from gate to gate not even bouncing off celestials or anything or aggressing anyone. so if someone can please explain the mechanic of randomly being gcc'd in a system while simply in warp from gate to gate id greatly appreciate it. thanks Did you check your cargo holds for illegal contraband? Drugs, etc, etc... I know they usually just give you a warning and reduce your security status and make you pay fines. What if your sec status was already low and then it dropped you below a certain point which threw CONCORD in to a fit of rage? I have not had this happen myself but I know of allys and friends that it has happened to. Not sure if they got a GCC though... Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10715
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Posted - 2012.11.19 15:25:00 -
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I've gained GCC in High sec without doing anything, in the past and it wasn't in Concord space.
Just accepted it as a quirk and part and parcel of being neg 10 tbh.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
4946
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Posted - 2012.11.19 15:30:00 -
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Mag's wrote:I've gained GCC in High sec without doing anything, in the past and it wasn't in Concord space.
Just accepted it as a quirk and part and parcel of being neg 10 tbh. I think you're right. Isn't there like a threshold if your sec status drops below a certain point, you can't really go through hisec safely. Isn't like below -2.0 or -5.0 or something like that? Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
951
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Posted - 2012.11.19 15:31:00 -
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Ganjjabeard wrote:hi, id like to know why one gets gcc in a hi sec system for doing nothing other than just being there. heres the story:
Game mechanics. Someone managed to get your aggression by circumventing in game aggression mechanics. This happens every day at Jita undock, you have barely loaded grid there are already 10 guys shooting at you without even triggering concord response.
As stupid as it is and it looks like, it's Eve. brb |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10715
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Posted - 2012.11.19 15:40:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Mag's wrote:I've gained GCC in High sec without doing anything, in the past and it wasn't in Concord space.
Just accepted it as a quirk and part and parcel of being neg 10 tbh. I think you're right. Isn't there like a threshold if your sec status drops below a certain point, you can't really go through hisec safely. Isn't like below -2.0 or -5.0 or something like that? Well there are levels depending upon the system sec, but normally it's only the faction police that attack. Hence why some have mentioned Concord in their own space.
You would fit whatever you travel in for speed and agility, but that one time I simply seemed to gain GCC out of the blue.
As I don't spend much time in High sec with this char, I accepted it and moved on.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Alice Saki
19710
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Posted - 2012.11.19 15:44:00 -
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It sometimes happens when you're going through Highsec for like 10j's
Suddenly you can't jump and you get killed..... http://i.imgur.com/vXey1.png |
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
67
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:04:00 -
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I always thought CONCORD faction police [probably DED] used to be like other faction police, i.e shootable and escapable.
Did something change in the mechanics? Also we should be allowed to take sovereignity from CONCORD ^-^ |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
888
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Posted - 2012.11.19 18:25:00 -
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If you go in to an empire system and have bad standings with the faction which owns the space, the faction's navy will spawn and attack you. In the Sanctum constellation, CONCORD happen to be the owning faction, and so if you have a bad security status, CONCORD will spawn and attack you exactly as though you incurred a GCC anywhere else in high-sec.
Given you are pretty close to -10, I'm almost certain that this is the reason you were attacked. What system did you lose the blackbird in? If it is one of the CONCORD ones shown here, then that's your explanation. "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10715
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Posted - 2012.11.19 18:29:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote:If you go in to an empire system and have bad standings with the faction which owns the space, the faction's navy will spawn and attack you. In the Sanctum constellation, CONCORD happen to be the owning faction, and so if you have a bad security status, CONCORD will spawn and attack you exactly as though you incurred a GCC anywhere else in high-sec. Given you are pretty close to -10, I'm almost certain that this is the reason you were attacked. What system did you lose the blackbird in? If it is one of the CONCORD ones shown here, then that's your explanation. This happens outside of concord sov too. I've had it happen to me, simply gaining GCC out of the blue.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1306
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Posted - 2012.11.19 18:49:00 -
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Mag's wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:If you go in to an empire system and have bad standings with the faction which owns the space, the faction's navy will spawn and attack you. In the Sanctum constellation, CONCORD happen to be the owning faction, and so if you have a bad security status, CONCORD will spawn and attack you exactly as though you incurred a GCC anywhere else in high-sec. Given you are pretty close to -10, I'm almost certain that this is the reason you were attacked. What system did you lose the blackbird in? If it is one of the CONCORD ones shown here, then that's your explanation. This happens outside of concord sov too. I've had it happen to me, simply gaining GCC out of the blue. Did you petition it? |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10715
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Posted - 2012.11.19 19:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mag's wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:If you go in to an empire system and have bad standings with the faction which owns the space, the faction's navy will spawn and attack you. In the Sanctum constellation, CONCORD happen to be the owning faction, and so if you have a bad security status, CONCORD will spawn and attack you exactly as though you incurred a GCC anywhere else in high-sec. Given you are pretty close to -10, I'm almost certain that this is the reason you were attacked. What system did you lose the blackbird in? If it is one of the CONCORD ones shown here, then that's your explanation. This happens outside of concord sov too. I've had it happen to me, simply gaining GCC out of the blue. Did you petition it? Nah, I don't travel through empire much and tbh it didn't bother me much. I just remember wondering what had happened and looking at my logs. So kinda shrugged my shoulders and carried on.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Tialee
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
10
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Posted - 2012.11.19 21:03:00 -
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On a similar note...
I flew a Hoarder from Heild to Rens to pick up some supplies. Being -2.6 status, I was flagged as an outlaw the entire way, but I managed to dock at the Treasury in Rens and buy what I needed.
I then undocked and warped to an insta-undock about 300km from the station and started to align for warp to the exit gate. Before I could get to warp, though, Concord showed up, scrammed and destroyed my ship.
Now I've made this trip once before but without the insta-undock jump.
What exactly is the criteria for getting attacked by Concord for being low security status in a high sec system? What kind of timing is there? Would I have been better off just warping straight from the station to the gate?
I realize I should probably just use an alt for this kind of thing, but at the same time I'd like to familiarize myself with the mechanics a bit more. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
371
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Posted - 2012.11.19 21:32:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:It does indeed sound like you were victimized by CONCORD when you passed through their faction space. This is an odd quirk of the game mechanics that, as is said, will be somewhat obsolete once Crimewatch changes go out with Retribution.
If you weren't traveling through CONCORD space when you lost your ship, I would suggest a petition.
Security Status -9.7
nope. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1068
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Posted - 2012.11.19 22:42:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Did you pass through a CONCORD owned system? In those systems CONCORD is the faction police and your sec-status is your standing with them. And I notice that you have -9.7 security status.
You don't get GCC just for having low sec status. I'm guessing here that he was killed by the faction police & doesn't know the difference between them & Concord. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Ganjjabeard
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
22
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Posted - 2012.11.19 23:21:00 -
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Thank you everyone for your feedback. I tried locating the lossmail which for some reason is not listed in my mails so im not able to link it. However i do know these things for a fact: Incident occured in Kemark solar system I DID NOT have any drugs or illegal items on board (i promise lol) I was simply moving a ship and DID NOT violence anyones boat. Note to self: add all concord owned systems to avoidance list. on a side note id like to thank ccp for reinbursing my raven the first time this happened. (I ended up losing it by enemy hotdrop lolol fun times!) get in the van. |
Ganjjabeard
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
22
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Posted - 2012.11.19 23:31:00 -
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Ok just noticed kemerk is concord owned so that explains it :P thanks again! Also how is the new bounty system going to fix/redo this mechanic? get in the van. |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1068
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Posted - 2012.11.19 23:56:00 -
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Ganjjabeard wrote:Ok just noticed kemerk is concord owned so that explains it :P thanks again! Also how is the new bounty system going to fix/redo this mechanic?
If only there was multiple threads explaining this... Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Ganjjabeard
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
22
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Posted - 2012.11.20 00:38:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Ganjjabeard wrote:Ok just noticed kemerk is concord owned so that explains it :P thanks again! Also how is the new bounty system going to fix/redo this mechanic? If only there was multiple threads explaining this...
Cant tell if serious or goontroll.... get in the van. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
361
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Posted - 2012.11.20 14:34:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Did you pass through a CONCORD owned system? In those systems CONCORD is the faction police and your sec-status is your standing with them. And I notice that you have -9.7 security status. You don't get GCC just for having low sec status. I'm guessing here that he was killed by the faction police & doesn't know the difference between them & Concord.
You do in concord sov.
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Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
4
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Posted - 2012.11.20 15:00:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:I think you're right. Isn't there like a threshold if your sec status drops below a certain point, you can't really go through hisec safely. Isn't like below -2.0 or -5.0 or something like that? Yes, -2.0 locks you out of 1.0 space, -2.5 out of 0.9 , -3.0 out of 0.8 , -3.5 out of 0.7 , -4.0 out of 0.7 , -4.5 out of 0.6 , and -5.0 out of 0.5 (all highsec). Of course getting in and past the navy is a breeze, so travel shouldn't be a worry. Just don't hang around for too long. |
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