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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2012.11.19 12:39:00 -
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Take your concerns to the relevant sub-forum next time.
edit: now in relevant sub-forum   
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
553
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Posted - 2012.11.19 12:43:00 -
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Moving to EVE Ficiton.
But on another note, I much prefer being an immortal demigod coldly detached from the insignificant cells that inhabit the metallic engine of destruction that is my body that is called a spaceship, rather than some dude barking orders to a navigation officer. I think; I move. I think; I fire. I think; I kill.
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Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission
Fleet Coordination Coalition
298
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:06:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Moving to EVE Ficiton.
But on another note, I much prefer being an immortal demigod coldly detached from the insignificant cells that inhabit the metallic engine of destruction that is my body that is called a spaceship, rather than some dude barking orders to a navigation officer. I think; I move. I think; I fire. I think; I kill.
+1
Squishy fleshy thing bad. Steely killy thing good.
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
Intrepid Crossing
486
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:56:00 -
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Why would I ever give up the ability to feel the solar wind on my skin, to see X-Rays as they zip past my hull, or unflinchingly rain death and destruction on enemies hundreds of kilometers away just because pod-goo is icky? We are demi-gods of destruction, not mortals with a penchant for violence and the occasional sadistic streak.
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Valeo Galaem
New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit
Sentient World Observation and Response Directive
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Posted - 2012.11.19 15:10:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:Having a behemoth starship with a fuckton of windows serving no purpose at all is some of the worst excuse for sci-fi out there.
OP seems to not believe Eve ships have crew. I thought we cleared this up years ago. |
Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:01:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:I don't acknowledge any lore that states the player is 'driving' his or her ship in a Pod-of-Goo;
So you mean you don't acknowledge any of the lore...
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
115
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Posted - 2012.11.19 17:05:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:[..]I much prefer being an immortal demigod coldly detached from the insignificant cells that inhabit the metallic engine of destruction that is my body that is called a spaceship, rather than some dude barking orders to a navigation officer. I think; I move. I think; I fire. I think; I kill.
This.
I think it's one of EVE's most interesting aspects of the setting. Maybe it's because I'm used to roleplaying near immortal demi-gods that gradually lose their humanity (WoD), but it's one of the things that actually contribute to me being immersed in the game. It explains a lot of the behaviour of players that act like they're playing a game, because that's what it feels like.
Players even came up with a psychological condition to explain this behaviour, tentatively called 'capsuleer dementia'. It's why we start to only see other capsuleers as people that matter. It's why we can kill thousands daily without remorse. It's why we get so detached. It's why we have tournaments where our crews die, and it's why we laugh when they do and say "Good fight." to our opponent.
Without pods, we lose a lot of this immersion coming from potentially immersion breaking situations.
Contraband Smuggling: Player Assisted Customs |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Qvar Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.11.19 20:50:00 -
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So we have this premises:
1. Capsuleers pilot ships while in a capsule.
2. You don't want to pilot ships while in a capsule.
3. Regular humans don't pilote ships while in a capsule.
I will let to you figuring out the solution. |
Jiska Ensa
Unour Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.11.19 21:18:00 -
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I can't believe no one has linked this yet, so here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqzmEtLe8PM |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
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Posted - 2012.11.19 23:27:00 -
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And it has no effect on gameplay. The lore of being a space vegetable will continue to be coldly detached from humanity and therefore uninteresting to many players. Just try making some machinema out of an actual pod-pilot's forays and see if it would gain as much popularity as Clear Skies, Star Wars or Firefly. The results speak for themselves whether you like it or not. |
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Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2012.11.19 23:41:00 -
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Dude, your totally right that there's a give and take, if you wanna write star-trek style bridge-drama you have to deal with not being a capsuleer, the canon gods decree it. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
572
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Posted - 2012.11.20 11:16:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:And it has no effect on gameplay.
Except when your ship explodes and your escape pod gets blown up, so you die.
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
115
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Posted - 2012.11.20 20:49:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:Just try making some machinema out of an actual pod-pilot's forays and see if it would gain as much popularity as Clear Skies, Star Wars or Firefly. The results speak for themselves whether you like it or not. You may be right that having capsuleers as main characters in a movie can be difficult, but judging fiction on that fact is  . EVE is not a movie. I've read plenty of fiction based on capsuleers that I liked. You may not like it, but it's a matter of taste.
And in matters of taste, you can't prove you are "right", no matter how much statistics you present.
But out of curiousity, what results are you referring to?
Contraband Smuggling: Player Assisted Customs |
Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2012.11.20 21:23:00 -
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Yes, I've read lots of inventive ways of dealing with this very real narrative issue you bring up. Some of them are in the EON fiction contest entry page here |
Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2012.11.20 21:32:00 -
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Opps, double post... Oink |
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:37:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:ColdCutz wrote:And it has no effect on gameplay. Except when your ship explodes and your escape pod gets blown up, so you die.
Or... ya could've made it an implant from the beginning like Dust soldiers now have to explain their numerous resurrections. Like I mentioned earlier that will presumably be the case if you implement EVA's in the future. Still no final death if you get stuck in a room with radiation leakage... or will there?-í?
The cloneage I can heartily live with, not much any other way around final death than that. It's the disconnect from commanding a ship that's got me all frowny :-( |
Kirjava
E X C E P T I O N
Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.11.21 22:24:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I like to think I have a hologram to interact with the bridge crew, I can speak through it, control its movements and give orders, when I need to be giving orders while 100% concentrating it gives orders to crew automatically based on what commands I give the ship.
I do this too, though I prefer the idea of taking one of my own clones for a joyride using a chip plugged into Zombie Kirjavas cranium...
I'm mainly an Industrialist, I like the idea of setting up my mining operation in a quiet corner of the cosmos and then sit playing cards in the mess hall while slurping up my ABC's.
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Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
436
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Posted - 2012.11.23 11:24:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:YuuKnow wrote:-1
Right... change the lore that has literally been there for 10 years pre-lease so that you can happy... riiiiiiiight.
I like the pod-of-goo lore. Combined with the camera drones makes for some good tech-**** and fits with the RL military trend of gradually reduced manning requirements (think Sulaco in Aliens).
In fact, I don't know why *any* ships needs a crew at all. On board drones and nanites can handle mopping the floors.
yk Because the Sulaco is a realistic example of a futuristic military ship. How asinine can you be. They made it manned by 15 people for the horror plotline of being alone in space. Having a behemoth starship with a fuckton of windows serving no purpose at all is some of the worst excuse for sci-fi out there. Certainly doesn't make for 'good tech-****' and it certainly isn't complex.
Its better lore than having hundreds of thousands of highly trained, yet completely unpaid and un-mourned slaves blown up for giggles each time a miner is ganked and the pirate concorded for lulz.
Reduced manning is the miltary's future in RL and makes more sense to cut out the wasted resources of crew training and replacment, ship lodgings, simulated gravity, etc. The inefficiency of having to bark orders and then wait for a response would be inferior to the instant 'think and act' that pods would enable.
I think the pod was probably one of Eve's greatest part of the lore.
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Thomas Gump
Fates Unwritten Consortium
SQUEE.
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:04:00 -
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When writing stuff (as I often do when stuck in traffic) I mostly have my ship captain / pilot walking around the ship managing things as a captain should do. Until there's an emergency situation that needs some fast ship reflexes - then he gets in his pod.
I like that for a short period of time (as he's undressing in a hurry to get into his pod) he's frail and human and exposed. Then a moment later he's a battleship.
EDIT: Thomas Gump getting undressed is something everybody should think about. |
Ramius Decimus
Dark Circle Enforcement
Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.11.24 16:21:00 -
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ColdCutz wrote:I don't acknowledge any lore that states the player is 'driving' his or her ship in a Pod-of-Goo; that's simply uninteresting and unengaging to be honest. I'm practically a couch-potato in real life with EVE, so I don't want to be a vegetable in my Space Exploration Fantasy World. I'd like to have the lore put me on the bridge of a Frigate or Cruiser interacting with my crew and ship systems the old-fashioned way; you know, pointing and barking orders! CCP has already done the right thing by having a player decant from his or her pod with every CQ visit.
Ok, it has to be this and this way because a huge battleship can't be controlled fast enough without a genetically enhanced player controlling it with his mind. Whatever. It's all fiction and can be changed without further violating the laws of Physics. No planetary motion? No probs. No double-star systems (every stargate needs one?) No big deal. I just want to captain my ship like Rourke. Come on. I shouldn't even have to ask how Clear Skies would've been if JR was on a TV screen the whole time. Or that little bit in Clear Skies 2 when he's in the ESCAPE POD (no goo) and he can't find the com button? I LOVE That!!!
Ok, firstly, in the Clear Skies series the crew of the "Clear Skies" aren't capsuleers, so of course they're in not in a "pod-of-goo". (Also, there is planetary motion now, how have you not noticed?).
Likewise, you don't need to change the canon to make something acceptable. Just use your imagination. EVE universe is setup to be expansive and less discriminate in it's lore propagation. For example, I like to differ from the norm when it comes to the pod as well. What I like to imagine is that I'm in a prototype capsule which uses a kind of sonic equilibirum buffering (or whatever technobabble that I haven't thought through enough yet) to keep me safe from the rigors of space, FTL travel and wormholes (i.e, stargates) but allow me to keep half my clothes on plus speeding up process of leaving the capsule. Still gotta be hooked up to the pod Matrix-style in order for you to function as an elite starship pilot/captain regardless of "goo" or not. I do like to think that my ships are also modified or an alternate hull model with built in pod gantry/access port to allow me to leave it and enter the decks like a normal human. I usually like to imagine I'm doing that during long waits like on ambush ops (blah blah gate camping) or during horribly boring mining. Also, on the bridge of my larger vessels (frigates don't require any crews since they can be handled like "heavy fighters" when operated by Empyreans' elite capabilities) I imagine there is a command chair but it has built in holoprojectors that display a volumetric avatar of me in a way of making my crew feel a little comfortable taking orders from me rather than the disembodied "god voice" as per standard.
Anyway, I could ramble on about the many things that aren't solidly explained in EVE (I figure that's for a reason) so I like to adjust things in my mind from my own imaginative benefit.
Four year cryosis, reversed.-á Genome; Clone, Fourth. Original body destroyed.
-áCaldari State citizen and proud!-á
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Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University
Ivy League
100
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Posted - 2012.11.24 17:13:00 -
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Sometimes I wonder if there's any 'capsuleer in his capsule' fanfic at all, out there. |
Mirima Thurander
Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition
410
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Posted - 2012.11.26 01:10:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Moving to EVE Ficiton.
But on another note, I much prefer being an immortal demigod coldly detached from the insignificant cells that inhabit the metallic engine of destruction that is my body that is called a spaceship, rather than some dude barking orders to a navigation officer. I think; I move. I think; I fire. I think; I kill.
If you fly a titian its more along the lines of i sit here and am a jump gate.
A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
118
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:21:00 -
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Ramius Decimus wrote:Likewise, you don't need to change the canon to make something acceptable. Just use your imagination. [..] I do like to think that my ships are also modified or an alternate hull model with built in pod gantry/access port to allow me to leave it and enter the decks like a normal human. I usually like to imagine I'm doing that during long waits like on ambush ops (blah blah gate camping) or during horribly boring mining. Also, on the bridge of my larger vessels (frigates don't require any crews since they can be handled like "heavy fighters" when operated by Empyreans' elite capabilities) I imagine there is a command chair but it has built in holoprojectors that display a volumetric avatar of me in a way of making my crew feel a little comfortable taking orders from me rather than the disembodied "god voice" as per standard.
Anyway, I could ramble on about the many things that aren't solidly explained in EVE (I figure that's for a reason) so I like to adjust things in my mind from my own imaginative benefit. Imagining things that are not part of the canon is fine, and you all have my blessing. But when players start interacting with eachother, it's nice to have common ground, if only for the suspension of disbelief.
That's why part of why CCP decided to publish crew count estimates a while back (Search New Eden Crew Guidelines on EVElopedia), and clarified that all fitted ships bigger than shuttles require crew.
The way you imagine things is fine, but do you also roleplay the consequenses of those decisions, like slower reaction time, possible death etc. or do you just react instantly as if you were in capsule and/or a regular capsuleer ship with no bridge?
If your char worked for my char's corp and Ch+¬ found out that you were walking the decks during an ambush op, he'd fire you from the corp, or at least demote you.
Contraband Smuggling: Player Assisted Customs |
T'Esshe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.28 09:48:00 -
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Here's an idea - instead of all players being defined as capsuleers that spend the majority of their lives inside a pod (and thus creating the bespoke issue), how about:
Pilots in New Eden that prefer the solitary, disembodied sense of being in-pod, of having their ship become an extension of their selves, and who prefer to spend 99% of their 'lives' (whatever that is) within the pod, are referred to euphemistically as 'capsuleers' by other pilots.
Pilots that choose to sit in leather chairs and command ships by barking orders to crew members, who prefer the important comfort of interacting with other people, who think that group decision-making is important for piloting starships, and only evacuate into their pods when their ships go kablooey - are not.
Hocus pocus, problem solved. Heck, there's enough material in the previous two sentences to explore for years.
Shameless ps - read my EON fanfic entry!
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
118
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Posted - 2012.11.28 23:27:00 -
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T'Esshe wrote:[..] who prefer to spend 99% of their 'lives' (whatever that is) within the pod, are referred to euphemistically as 'capsuleers' by other pilots. Yeah, about that 99%, Ive read that before, but I don't know the source. Could you help me out with that?
And if it is actually canon, then I think that bit should change, if only because players only log in a couple hours each day. Maybe some capsuleers eventually stay in their pod, but not all of them. I don't know anybody in the roleplaying community that does that.
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