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MystLynx
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:48:00 -
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Hey folks, On a recent dev blog, CCP Ytterium wrote this :
Quote: Let us repeat again: if you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change. Technically it means if you are able to fly an Oracle by having Amarr Cruisers 3 and Battlecruisers 3, we will remove the Battlecruisers skill from your character and give you Amarr Battlecruisers at 3. If you had Battlecruisers at 3 and Caldari Cruisers 3 instead, you would not receive Amarr Battlecruisers but the Caldari Battlecruisers skill at 3 instead. The same principle work with the Destroyers skill. With the way nested skill requirements work in EVE, it also means that you will still be able to fly an Apocalypse even if you donGÇÖt have the Amarr Battlecruiser skill trained at 4 after the change. It wonGÇÖt matter as long as you have the Amarr Battleship skill at the proper level.
But its still not totally clear to me.
Indeed, for the destroyers, for instance, which skill will be considerated as a reference for the new racial skill, the destroyers one, or the frigates one?
For instance : I have Caldari frigate IV and Destroyers V, will i get Caldari destroyers V or Caldari destroyers IV?
Also, will the changes for the destroyer skill come in the next retribution update the 4th december?
Thank you in advance :)! |
Knot'Kul Sun
Guns N'Ore
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:51:00 -
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Have BC 5, destroyers 5, racial frig 4, racial cruiser 3 or 4 (4 to be safe)
and youll get all racials to 5(as i was told)
and its not due on december 4th.
as for your caldari, since you have destroyers 5 with caldari frig 4 you should get caldari destroyers 5... again, as i was told. Since theyre measuring what level of racial to give you by your destroyers skill level, youll be awarded 5 for 5, but WHICH racials you get are awarded based on what frigate skills are at 4 i believe. |
MystLynx
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:55:00 -
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Knot'Kul Sun wrote:Have BC 5, destroyers 5, racial frig 4, racial cruiser 3 or 4
and youll get all racials (as i was told)
and its not due on december 4th.
as for your caldari, since you have destroyers 5 with caldari frig 4 you should get caldari destroyers 5... again, as i was told. Yeah, i was told the same but CCP stay quite unclear (in the example Ytterium give, the two skills are at the same level...) about that, so it would be nice, if they could make a statement about it. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:56:00 -
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use
the
search
function
tyvm.
PS: Yes, your question was answered; yes, CCP Ytterbium confirmed the answer; yes, this has been asked many times; no, you ain't getting one from this reply, please put some effort to actually search for the answer. How to : Playing Eve 100% Risk and Conflict FREE! |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:57:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:use
the
search
function
tyvm.
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MystLynx
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:58:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:use
the
search
function
tyvm.
Already done, but i must have typed the wrong keywords i guess? |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:58:00 -
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Or actually read the blog you're talking about. |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:58:00 -
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Doesn't it just mean that you'll not be able to fly the new racial destroyers if you don't have Vs ?
Unless you NEED to fly those, you should be ok. --- "Also, your boobs" - CCP Eterne (Still writing great prose!)
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MystLynx
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:00:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:Or actually read the blog you're talking about. Done, answers to my questions are not clear. |
Knot'Kul Sun
Guns N'Ore
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:01:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Doesn't it just mean that you'll not be able to fly the new racial destroyers if you don't have Vs ?
Unless you NEED to fly those, you should be ok.
Youll be able to fly them without V's... its just everyone trying to maximize which free skills they get once they release. having BC at 5 with all the pre-reqs gives you around 4.5 million extra SP once it hits.
thats ALOT of training time to miss out on by not getting a few skills early. |
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:02:00 -
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new racial skill level will be the same as the old skill level. provided you meet the prerequisites. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:03:00 -
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MystLynx wrote:Dorian Wylde wrote:Or actually read the blog you're talking about. Done, answers to my questions are not clear. I and I'm pretty sure alot of people here knows the answer to your question. It has been answered, explicitly, by Ytterbium, both what skills you're going to get and how does the reimbursement works. Yes, even with examples and yes, even with missing prerequisites for the racial skill reimbursements. Use...the...search...feature. How to : Playing Eve 100% Risk and Conflict FREE! |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:04:00 -
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It might be simpler for you to get it, if you use the other way they explained it. You will be able to fly everything you can before the change at the same skill level. This means if you can't fly a racial destroyer or battlecruiser before, you can't after. The frigate and cruiser skill requirements come from the current prequisites to fly those ships. You can see them by selecting show info on those ships and looking at their prerequisites.
Racial destroyers require racial frigates at 3 and battlecruisers require racial cruisers at 3 and frigate at 4, so you need them to get the corresponding racial destroyer and battlecruiser skill levels. If you lack any one of the prerequisites, you aren't getting the racial skill. |
Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:15:00 -
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Allow me to sum up.
For Destroyers the prerequisite is racial frigate 3(so pre-req for Thrasher is Minmatar Frig 3, Destroyer 1). For reference: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Thrasher You can see that the requirement is Minmatar Frig 3. The "Level" of destroyer is your currently trained Destroyer skill's level.
So for each Race you have the prerequisite for, you will receive that races destroyer skill to the level of your current destroyer skill.
Same for Cruiser (the BC's pre-req) and Battle cruisers.
If you have any doubt. Pick a destroyer/BC for the race in game, and check the prerequisites. Can you fly it? Then you will have that racials Destroyer/BC skill to the level of your prechange destroyer/BC skill.
Also, this is not coming out on the fourth. This is supposed to happen as part of the BC re-balancing. So it is safe to assume you have some time. I would not recommend putting it off, but they will likely give us enough time so that anyone who was willing to prepare, could. |
MystLynx
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:17:00 -
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thank's |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:24:00 -
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good lord really? there's about a million threads on this and it's explained VERY clearly by CCP in various posts and blogs. what's more, it isnt really rocket science.
please, STOP posting this question. |
MystLynx
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:31:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Just to avoid any misunderstanding: Destroyer level X + Racial Frigate 3 = Racial Destroyer level X Battlecruiser level X + Racial Cruiser Level 3 = Racial Battlecruiser level X https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145728#post2145728https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145814#post2145814 [best example] https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2146090#post2146090https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2149140#post2149140CCP Fozzie wrote:We'll do the destroyer and battlecruiser skills in one batch, after the BC and BS rebalance is done. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2155506#post2155506CCP Fozzie wrote:Want to make this clear to everyone, the stuff in this blog is not coming on the 4th with Retribution. This blog covers some of what we are going to be working on in the beginning of next year. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145578#post2145578CCP Fozzie wrote:I'll come right out and say the skill changes will not come on December 4th with Retribution but that you should still seriously consider taking them into account when you pick your next skills. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2146465#post2146465Destroyers 5 (rank 2) = 2 * 256,000 skill points Battlecruisers 5 (rank 6) = 6 * 256,000 skill points Max Free Skill Points = 3 * Destroyers 5 + 3 * Battlecruisers 5 = 3 * (2 * 256,000) + 3 * (6 * 256,000) = 6,144,000 Free Training Time @ 2,700 skill points per hour = Max Free Skill Points / 2,700 = 6,144,000 / 2,700 = 2,275.55 hours = 94d 19h 33m 20s Found the right keywords... |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:57:00 -
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Im glad we have confirmation on this skill issue for the 90000000th time. What we STILL dont have is confirmation on the "Search Forums" function that seems to be either broken or completely missing from most of these peoples forum clients. CCP, a response please. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.11.21 01:05:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Im glad we have confirmation on this skill issue for the 90000000th time. What we STILL dont have is confirmation on the "Search Forums" function that seems to be either broken or completely missing from most of these peoples forum clients. CCP, a response please. That all depends on if they know the eve lingo to even acquire the right results. That's if the search actually does work and not hang with a time out. Griping about it wont change the fact most wont use the search until badgered about it, its not like they will search for "should I use search?" |
Muestereate
Oneida Inc.
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Posted - 2012.11.21 02:17:00 -
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My Search forums function doesn't work, never did or I would not have to ask, What about command ships? That will be a nasty one. I don't see it anywhere but the Battlecruisers will be some sort of prereqs. Even if I dodge the bullet, that means a new person would have to train for half a year additional to run all command ships. Right now the BCs are worth 94 days and I think CS5 is 27 days just from 4 to 5. thats 81 days or 175 days additional train time for what. A ship class they want to nerf? The T3 training balance is going to be absurd. |
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.11.21 03:33:00 -
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Muestereate wrote:What about command ships? That will be a nasty one. They already required BC to 5. so that would be racial BC to 5. As for the cruiser skill required. It should be dropped to 4. As:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:Allowing for faster tech2 specialization, and slower multi-racial diversification. In EVE Online, while you as a new player will never catch up with the total amount of skill points a veteran has, you can still be on the same level by specializing. This is precisely what we want to promote here. For instance, currently one needs Amarr Cruiser and Battlecruisers 5 to fly an Absolution, after the change the same pilot will only need Amarr Battlecruisers 5 (on top of the other skill requirements) That's a good million less SP to train for a command ship if you skip cruiser 5. (on top of the other skill requirements) will likely be a mesh of Tertiary skills are Field and Fleet roles are now one. And making them all combat capable ships with fleet bonus ability isn't much of a nerf. T3 boosting is the one getting rocked. |
Muestereate
Oneida Inc.
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Posted - 2012.11.21 05:33:00 -
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Thanks, the example in the blog passed me by because never having an absolution, it didn't click in my mind as a command ship. |
MystLynx
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.21 11:33:00 -
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Honestly, i really think people raging about people not using the search function of the forums is a bigger issue when speaking about polluting threads/general information than people just not using search function or using it badly.
This thread is the perfect example about it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.11.21 13:57:00 -
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Muestereate wrote:My Search forums function doesn't work, never did or I would not have to ask, What about command ships? That will be a nasty one. Command ships will become significantly cheaper since they will lose their AF, HAC and Logi prerequisites. To quote an old post on the topic:
[racial] Cruiser V -á-á-á-á-á[racial] Frigate IV Command Ships I -á-á-á-á-áBattlecruisers V -á-á-á-á-áWarfare Link Specialist IV -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áLeadership V -á-á-á-á-áSpaceship Command V Heavy Assault Ships IV -á-á-á-á-áAssault Ships IV -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áEngineering V -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áMechanic V -á-á-á-á-áWeapon Upgrades V -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áGunnery II Logistics IV -á-á-á-á-áSignature Analysis V -á-á-á-á-áLong Range Targeting V -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áElectronics II
GǪwill most likely becomeGǪ
[racial] Battlecruiser V -á-á-á-á-á[racial] Cruiser IV -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á[racial] Destroyer IV -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á[racial] Frigate IV Command Ships I -á-á-á-á-áWarfare Link Specialist IV -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áLeadership V -á-á-á-á-áSpaceship Command V
All in all, the new skill tree cuts out some five and a half million SP that you no longer need to train in order to get all eight command ships, and in exchange, you need to spend roughly four and a half million SP to get all the new T1 skills to the correct level. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Shoc Le Monkeh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.30 15:07:00 -
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Is the date announced yet when the new skills will be implemented?
All I've heard is "not on December 4th." |
marVLs
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Posted - 2012.11.30 15:10:00 -
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Shoc Le Monkeh wrote:Is the date announced yet when the new skills will be implemented?
All I've heard is "not on December 4th."
Ofiicially from what i know not in this year, but in the beginning of 2013 (first weeks) |
Shoc Le Monkeh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.30 16:22:00 -
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marVLs wrote:Shoc Le Monkeh wrote:Is the date announced yet when the new skills will be implemented?
All I've heard is "not on December 4th." Ofiicially from what i know not in this year, but in the beginning of 2013 (first weeks)
Do you have a source for that? Just curious. |
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