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anter
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Posted - 2005.04.24 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: anter on 24/04/2005 10:34:20
These that play, used to play or just read these forum for pure comedy might know about the latest add 'honor system'. Here is some of the rewards from that system.
Just couple threads about it. Flame war about the subject and Accounts being cancelled
Now why doesn't it work? They add point system to wow and in result there have been more ganking and 100vs10 than ever, because everyone want a lot of points and nice rewards. Does anyone actually rp horde vs alliance war? No, well maybe a bit, but main goal for everyone is get a lot of points, quick as possible and be the first one with best rank.
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Weeman
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Posted - 2005.04.24 10:53:00 -
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Yeah when a mate told me about the honour system i couldnt work out how it would work in reality, its a good CONCEPT but it appears the implementation has been lost in the translation, so to speak
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.04.24 11:32:00 -
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Umm is it me or does all there general discussion page have one topic 'eyonix' you suck 2,3,4,5 ect....
It's funny, i know somebody that plays eve that claims wow is far more adult oriented compared to eve.
Seen little evidence of that whenever i visit there forum alone.
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anter
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Posted - 2005.04.24 12:07:00 -
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Petition to remove the /spit command 
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.04.24 12:55:00 -
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the honor system could have been good. but they appear to have messed it up slightly.
Its apparently honorable to go with a bunch of your mates and gank one person the same lvl as you.
what wouldnt be honorable is to charge singlehandedly into a huge group of lower lvl players and slaughter the lot of them. (Which you may say is good as it prevents griefing, but on the PvE servers, those people are only available to attack because they want to be. So low lvl players put /pvp on, then stand around laughing at high lvl enemies who cant attack them without getting dihonor points :P)
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.04.24 13:51:00 -
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Man, they have some long threads over there. None of those links were less than 30 pages, and they're pretty long pages too.
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Roger Dodger
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Posted - 2005.04.24 15:38:00 -
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Reading that forum could turn even the strongest mind into a drooling retard.
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.04.24 17:46:00 -
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yeh, i know what you mean. i play quite a few online games, and the only one i actually read forums for is eve. most are just SO full of crap...
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Bellicose
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Posted - 2005.04.24 22:40:00 -
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i used to play Diablo II on battlenet but after all the cheating and nothing done about it. and "the patch is done when is done attitude" kinda fubared the whole game ...
got 6 mates playing wow i jsut shake my haed at em for being so stupid for paying blizzard for playing a ****** up game online 
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World of ****e.... warcraft = teh Ghey
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.04.25 07:46:00 -
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TBH who cares about ganking in wow at all, u dont lose anything by dying, so wether ur death was honourable or not, if ur geting angry about it you have problems.
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.04.25 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: F''nog on 25/04/2005 08:01:19
 Originally by: Neon Genesis
TBH who cares about ganking in wow at all, u dont lose anything by dying, so wether ur death was honourable or not, if ur geting angry about it you have problems.
The main gripe most are having is that everybody camps their bodies and graveyards, killing the instant the rez. Over, and over, and Oveur, and over again. No matter how much one likes PvP, if you can't actually do it, it's got to suck.
Also, their levelling system means one doesn't have to have any skill to kill someone a few levels lower than one. It's just swing, dead, next. That's why Eve's system is so much better, most of the time. At least here a young pilot has a chance to hurt his opponent or get away if he has some idea what he's doing or gets lucky. There it's a foregone conclusion as soon as the higher level decides to attack the lower.
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Naburi NasNaburi
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Posted - 2005.04.25 10:00:00 -
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Glad my husband already found his home here a few weeks back.. so I had a place to move on to aswell.
I played on a PvP server aswell - and its pretty much unplayable. Its not a Honor-System its a Ganksystem.
The Concept was great but poorly implemented. Yes sure all you lose is time....but....time means levels, gear and accomplishments.
I was basically trapped in Ironforge on day 1 and 2. All Flightpoints were in enemy hands. Sure I could have tried to get to my grinding/quest spot - which would have resulted in multiple deaths and in the end I would have accomplished nothing but corpse runs.
PvE server isnt a valid Option either. Plus on PvE servers QuestNPC, QuestGivers, trainers and merchants are instakilled the moment they spawn.
Maybe I am just to old to find any fun in Gankfests anymore. I love good fights - corpse camping and grey ganking are NOT good fights in my book tho.
Bye bye WoW, Hello Eve :)
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.04.25 10:29:00 -
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i have to say, it is getting better over the last couple of days. people can do quests and stuff if they want to now. and people are tending to avoid wiping out newbie towns, or killing quest givers (quest givers are civilians mostly, and that gives dishonorable kills.)
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.04.25 10:45:00 -
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Godammit! I want to subscribe to WoW just so I can yell at the people on those forums! 
******* retards. Guess that's Blizzard's new WoW recruiting strategy, for you.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.04.25 11:59:00 -
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PETITION TO REMOVE VOIN FROM THE GAME AND REINSERT HIM INTO HELLO KITTY ONLINE
Well, considering, that WOW pretty much = Kitty online, his request has already been fulfilled. (sorry, just couldn't help it).
What can i say, WoW was doomed from the start, seems that blizzard multiplayer RPG's last as long as the maximum level of the char is and the amount of uber loot exists in the game.
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anter
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Posted - 2005.04.25 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Genesis
TBH who cares about ganking in wow at all, u dont lose anything by dying, so wether ur death was honourable or not, if ur geting angry about it you have problems.
Dead means little nothing there, but thats not even the point, but that blizzards attempt to promote 'honorable' pvp with that honor point system when it actually promotes opposite.
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Clementina
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Posted - 2005.04.25 16:46:00 -
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Actually, WoW is fubar across the board, with respect to PvP, everything is wrong with it, Blizzard just found a way to make it worse.
The Reason Why I say that everything is wrong with it is because,
(A) Level based systems generally suck. The high levels WtfPwn anyone of a lower level, regardless of skill. This means that low levels are, as a poster to the Wow boards said "nothing more than farmable mobs." With level based systems once you hit the high levels you are permanently and illrevokably uber, and no matter how dumb your are, and no matter how smart your opponent, nothing will change that.
(B) There's nothing to fight for, you didn't pick your side out of attachment of friends, or blood, or ideology, but rather because Blizzard gave you two sides and told you to pick one, naturally you are not going to care about it. There being two sides makes this worse, with multiple pre-set sides, forming an attachment to your own is so much easier. Also if you win, your side gains nothing, if you lose, your side loses nothing. Having multiple servers dosn't help, there is no chance to even argue over history, since it is different for every server.
Now they add (C) There are now rewards for ganks, thus encourageing not strategic battles, but random ganks. There shouldn't be a reward for random ganks beyond what you can find in an enemy's loot, there shouldn't even be a reward for good kill/death ratios, the reward should come from winning the war, Something that you can never do in WoW.
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Grievance
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Posted - 2005.04.25 19:00:00 -
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Kill*****'s and MMORPGs don't mix. in ANY game.
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Mid Night
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Posted - 2005.04.26 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Godammit! I want to subscribe to WoW just so I can yell at the people on those forums!
My thoughts exactly 
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.04.26 04:25:00 -
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I love how they put the character level in the avatar on their forums. Thats like the ultimate e-peen measure right there.
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.04.26 10:22:00 -
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in one final attempt at vaguely stopping the inferno against blizzard thats about to ensue...
the honor system isnt actually as bad as it seems. Yes, you get these 'Honorable Kills' if 10 of you gank one person. but they are only a *very* rough measure of how your doing. Its Honor Points that you need for the Uber PvP lootz0rs. and if 10 of you gank one person, you each get 1/10th of the honor points. And if that persons your lvl, you get i think 160 for killing him (so i've read), and if he's like 10 lvls lower than you you get more like 10. personally, i still dont think the slopes steep enough here. But the point is, there is a slope there, and so from here on, its just a matter of blizzard adjusting the figures to get it right.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.04.26 11:01:00 -
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One problem many people have pointed out on the thread is that if you can kill 16 lower level people in the same time that it takes to kill one person your own level, then why bother to hunt down that equal kill? Also, you might actually get killed yourself if you attack someone else, and where's the fun in that? So, since human nature generally favors the easy way over the hard, there's little real incentive so far actually to go looking for the big kills. Very shoddy implementation. I'm amazed they didn't think of this first, nor did they listen when, apparently, all the testers told them of the problem.
One of my favorite things there was a dev reply that they assumed people would be honorable and go for the fair kills only, thus negating any need for a dishonor system to protect lower level players from higher. Have they even played an online game before? Talk about embarassingly naive.
I'm guess that's why they camp graveyards. They don't have to move anywhere, they can just kill everybody as they respawn and wrack up tons of kill points. Thankfully in Eve no one is sure where you'll reclone so there's very little possibility of camping them that way. Once again, Eve 4tw!
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Matanga
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Posted - 2005.04.28 08:58:00 -
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Guys...I don't know if any of you have any experience in WoW.
I do...I've played the EU Beta (but didn't go to the release....guess why )
And what I'm reading on the WoW forums gives me the creeps.
To give you and idea....is like the devs on EVE decide that M0o and Evol will get Concord inmunity on all 0.5 lvl systems (while the rest of the poulation still gets Concord ganked if they attack)
Well that's WoW atm 
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2005.04.28 15:20:00 -
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it's *quite* fun on a low pop pvp.
on high.. i bet it's ******* pathetic.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.04.29 09:31:00 -
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WoW sounds peesh..
so if the other guy is at a higher level their is no way to beat him?.
d solo.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.04.29 09:35:00 -
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Whoa, you people amase me. You rant here about "poeple ganging and getting easy kills on WoW. We don't do that here in EVE".
Yeah right, how about gatecamps and blob fights? Wake up, its same on EVE.
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Posted - 2005.04.29 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
WoW sounds peesh..
so if the other guy is at a higher level their is no way to beat him?.
d solo.
Depends. Paladins CAN kill higher level characters, but thats not the norm. Problem is that most success rolls for attack and spells are influenced by the level difference, including the resistance rolls for spells. That's what makes fights of a difference in levels of more than 5 or so pointless. Also a reason I dont like level based systems that much, they are too arbitrary.
In EVE those to hit rolls are based on an average percentage and then influenced by spaceship, circumstances, equipment and skill. That makes fights more evened out, than with a level based system.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.04.29 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Whoa, you people amase me. You rant here about "poeple ganging and getting easy kills on WoW. We don't do that here in EVE".
Yeah right, how about gatecamps and blob fights? Wake up, its same on EVE.
Mate, when you stop missing the point, I'll stop flaming you. 
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