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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.11.30 15:26:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:
@Cearain - Yes I know the problem with a PVE based sov system and have for quite some time. Its why people who join the Amarr side for fights will log in if they hear there is a fight to be had, but don't get that excited when told they can plex a system for hrs with no fights and meager LP. New player retention for FW has always been something I have advocated greatly, but always gets silenced by kool-aid drinkers who insist that all the common complaints you hear from new players in FW aren't because of the mechanics, but because they're frustrated at facing a far superior opponent thus losing and losing isn't fun.
I would hardly call my post bringing up the past post, merely setting the record straight on a lot of the tired propaganda against the Amarr that I still see people go along with and continue to believe.
The reason I call you a badposter Cearain isn't because I disagree with the things you say, but its because you're one of the biggest Amarrian whiners in the history of ever. You whine about everything, even things that don't make sense to whine about or are completely and unfactually true. If you were more active, then things might be a different story, however, you complain and comment on things that you haven't been online for and your statements in themselves show how out of touch you are with whats happening. I've heard you complain about how the Amarr militia not being willing to work together after spending the entire week flying in inter-militia fleets. I've heard you comment on how small gang PVP in FW is dead and all you see the Amarr in now are several 20-30 man blobs and then several posts later complain about how the problem with the Amarr is they don't have the leader that can get a 30 man fleet like they used to. Despite the fact that you do make good points occasionally, you are singlehandedly one of the biggest reasons its been so easy for the Minmatar to marginalize and poke fun at things the Amarr say and do. There can be 5 reasonable forum posts and all someone needs to do to derail the thread so it can go into troll mode is wait for you to post.
Pinky most of what you said before the above makes sense.
But with the above you must have me mixed me up with another poster - maybe vordak.
I have never complained that the amarr could not work together to get a large fleet together. I don't complain that the amarr are "now in 20-30 man blobs." I haven't complained that amarr doesn't have a leader that can get a 30 man fleet. You are just making this up. Amarr can get 20-30 man fleets and I think that is great. Seriously, stop making false claims about what I post. If you don't like what I post please quote what you don't like and respond.
I never said small gang pvp in fw is dead. I have always maintained it is the best in eve, with the possible exception of rvb. I have complained that it doesn't reliably yield 3-7good fights per 2 hours, like it should. But it never did that, so I wouldn't say its dead. Its more like it never lived.
You suggest I send threads into troll mode. I make post number 44 five days ago. And there are 59 more posts with only 2 or 3 even referencing my post, but I send it into troll mode?
Seriously Pinky your acting like a 2 year old. Just because I disagreed with some of your ideas about faction war you don't need to go into attack mode. Eve/fw doesn't need more petty crap. Oh and I am not singlehandedly the biggest problem that the amarr face.  I guess you can keep thinking that if you want but really your credibility is sinking fast.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
679
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Posted - 2012.11.30 15:32:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Cearain wrote:kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Cearain wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:When a system falls for the Amarr,... Talk about digging up the past. When was the last time that happened? Since minmatar had to start actually killing the rats instead of speed taking them, have they fully plexed and taken a single system? Due to the longstanding imbalances in npcs amarr are used to having to kill all the rats. It seems playing by the same rules does not suit minmatar. Don't worry it will happen :) There is no question that minmatar are waiting until they no longer have to plex like the amarr had to plex for years. That is killing all the numerous rats. Once the rat spawns are reduced to a single rat I anticipate we will see more plexing from the minmatar. Neglect to notice how Floss was taken? I was busy plexing that while posting that.
You took one system in a month. That doesn't change what I have said.
I still anticipate minmatar will start allot more plexing when its no longer like what amarr traditionally had to deal with (i.e., requires killing lots of rats.) We shall see.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
55
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Posted - 2012.11.30 15:41:00 -
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Two weeks really, thats with the first week mainly focussed on isbra. So yes, it an effort. I actually quite like that it isnt easy. I hope that the new changes dont make it too easy. I do feel that matter what changes you wont be happy anyway. Your current attitude isnt helping, it is more likely to be nothing but negative, cheer up. Stop being sorry for yourself. Stop crying about the past
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
679
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Posted - 2012.11.30 16:24:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:FW is fine.
and it will still be fine after the patch....I don't see the changes making much of a difference. maybe getting more brawling going on with the button moving closer to warp in but not convinced...hopeful though.
At some point we should look at numbers to see if it was fine. CCP has done allot of things outside of faction war to improve eve. Ship balancing improved ui helping miners etc etc. These are all considered improvements that have happened recently. Lets say that all these improvements outside of faction war only lead to an increase in 10% of subscribers.
What has the fw changes brought? I certainly anticipated that if ccp really fixed fw they would get a 100% increase in subscriptions. Perhaps even a 200% increase since its appeal could be a to whole new neglected set of players. What increase have we gotten from the 2 expansions dealing with what could be a huge part of eve?
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Nothing possibly even a decrease depending on how impact we credit the other improvements.
Yes many eve players shifted into faction war because of they can now make several times the amount of isk. But the changes have not lead to any sort of increase in the overall numbers of players in eve. At some point ccp needs to look at numbers to see if what they did was a success or failure.
Taoist Dragon wrote:
The pvp/pve aspect is getting really old with some people continually re-posting the same crap over and over again.
While I do not agree that it is crap to make occupancy plexing less of a carebear race. I do agree that the issue is old.
Its more like ancient. One year ago Hans ran on a campaign in which he pushed for this. And it wasn't like it twas a new idea from him. People were asking for the occupancy to be less of a carebear race since before I was even involved in fw. You would think ccp would actually address the concern.
Instead like they did with incursions. They threw allot of isk at the new feature. That shifted allot of already existing eve players to that but didn't increase the overall numbers. Throwing isk at one part of the game will increase the players in that part but it won't increase the overall number of subscribers. You need to improve the actual gameplay to get more subscribers.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
183
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Posted - 2012.11.30 19:33:00 -
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Asko Vilenius wrote:Pinky Feldman wrote:With high-SP well organied groups like SP-DR leaving for Gallente, it ironically hurts the Amarr more than it does the Minmatar IMO, especially when you have a situation where the Amarr are being organized flying together while the Minmatar seem to be working less and less cohesively. I cant help it if they are willing to move their whole alliance across space just for me. Or then they are just scared of possible fights in your space, seeing none of them undock without their multiple OGB's. Naturally their blob is not big enough for them either as it seems they have happily blued every local pirate group already
Bolded the bit where you talked out of your ass, again. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Swift Angels Alliance
637
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Posted - 2012.12.02 09:51:00 -
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Confirming I've set Shadow Cartel blue.
Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc
Late Night Alliance
210
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Posted - 2012.12.02 23:20:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Confirming I've set Shadow Cartel blue.
I don't think anyone cares what swift does.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
257
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Posted - 2012.12.03 01:28:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Asko Vilenius wrote:Pinky Feldman wrote:With high-SP well organied groups like SP-DR leaving for Gallente, it ironically hurts the Amarr more than it does the Minmatar IMO, especially when you have a situation where the Amarr are being organized flying together while the Minmatar seem to be working less and less cohesively. I cant help it if they are willing to move their whole alliance across space just for me. Or then they are just scared of possible fights in your space, seeing none of them undock without their multiple OGB's. Naturally their blob is not big enough for them either as it seems they have happily blued every local pirate group already Bolded the bit where you talked out of your ass, again.
Fixed your post Darak :) |
Asko Vilenius
Nasranite Watch
Liandri Covenant
0
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Posted - 2012.12.03 11:04:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Bolded the bit where you talked out of your ass, again.
Because pirates coming to save tackled gallente tornado from a caldari condor are obviously not blue to the gallente 
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Gunship
FATAL Warfare
7
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Posted - 2012.12.03 11:40:00 -
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I find the Amarr's very dis-jointed tbh, so far I have come across 3 alliances, invited into one chat channel but with little or no intel coming though.
on EU TZ we are clearly outnumbered, but we are finding ways around to other less blobbed systems. The new changes making an extra jump gate between "north/south" should help :)
Also not having an issue with the mini blob, working on getting similar numbers :)
Come join us for Amarr FW pvp-áaction. More info here:
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
184
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Posted - 2012.12.03 13:46:00 -
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Asko Vilenius wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Bolded the bit where you talked out of your ass, again. Because pirates coming to save tackled gallente tornado from a caldari condor are obviously not blue to the gallente
And how is that proof they blued every pirate group in the area?.
Try being a bit more specific, like mentioning which pirates came to save this tornado, then we can talk more and you might not sound like such an idiot. |
Asko Vilenius
Nasranite Watch
Liandri Covenant
0
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Posted - 2012.12.03 14:31:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:And how is that proof they blued every pirate group in the area?
Well, they are on killmails with Snuff box among others but you probably missed the on original message, which one can interpret as not-so-serious message but does not change the actual message that they have blued some of the biggest pirate corps in the area and use it to fight their wars in FW. |
SAJUK NIGARRA
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
7
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:27:00 -
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Asko Vilenius wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:And how is that proof they blued every pirate group in the area? Well, they are on killmails with Snuff box among others but you probably missed the on original message, which one can interpret as not-so-serious message but does not change the actual message that they have blued some of the biggest pirate corps in the area and use it to fight their wars in FW.
If you are talking about the Goinard fight they are prolly also on the same killmails as PL Props to SP-DR for a well executed plan to blue HBC and them drag them near the FW area so Gal Mil can better cope with Damar. |
Soulless Brutor
Providence Directorate
Kraken.
6
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Posted - 2012.12.03 18:55:00 -
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Is everyone looking forward to the new patch coming out in December if so please say your reasons why and what are you happy about, and looking foward to. More cruiser sized fights? Wanting to try out new fleet comps, only looking for responces in Amarr / Minmatar space pilots / combants. |
Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
759
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Posted - 2012.12.03 19:56:00 -
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New sensor boosting skills + higher base sensor strength on just about all the ships. Sasawong's ECM Thrasher is in for a rude pimp slap. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
499
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Posted - 2012.12.03 21:30:00 -
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For those of you who are utterly unfamiliar as to how inter-pirate relations work, let me clarify them for you.
We don't like eachother all that much, we do like trying to shoot eachother when we think we can get away with it.
HOWEVER, we generally all like eachother a bit better than we like you. So if the opportunity presents itself to shoot FW, and it is convenient to do so together... You bet your booty we will :)
[Addendum: the reason for this, is that to many pirates the feeling is "we were here first" and FW are just invaders]
Did that help? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
1181
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Posted - 2012.12.03 21:43:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:For those of you who are utterly unfamiliar as to how inter-pirate relations work, let me clarify them for you.
We don't like eachother all that much, we do like trying to shoot eachother when we think we can get away with it.
HOWEVER, we generally all like eachother a bit better than we like you. So if the opportunity presents itself to shoot FW, and it is convenient to do so together... You bet your booty we will :)
[Addendum: the reason for this, is that to many pirates the feeling is "we were here first" and FW are just invaders]
Did that help?
Ms. Busoms. Long time, no see!
Also... that sentiment is mirrored among FW groups with regards to pirates. 
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
501
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:05:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Also... that sentiment is mirrored among FW groups with regards to pirates.
No doubt, but there is always those silly accusations of "blue" when in reality all there is, is "extremely shaky alliance of opportunity, valid to the door"
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
685
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:08:00 -
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Soulless Brutor wrote:Is everyone looking forward to the new patch coming out in December if so please say your reasons why and what are you happy about, and looking foward to. More cruiser sized fights? Wanting to try out new fleet comps, only looking for responces in Amarr / Minmatar space pilots / combants.
There are a bit too many new changes to sort out. I am pretty sure you will see allot of different ship types being used though.
The novice plex and the minor/small plexes should be interesting. Especially the minor/small plexes. I tend to think the new destroyers will dominate them but they will also allow t2 frigates in.
The medium plexes should be pretty interesting too. T2 cruisers with their native resists and logistics should shake things up for mediums. No bcs in the mediums I think they will only be allowed in the unrestricted. So the days of BCs being dominant may be numbered. I think we will definitely see allot of different ships being flown. The new T1 cruisers are not that far behind the hacs so newer players should still have a place. They are actually about as good as the faction cruisers.
No crazy numbers of npcs in plexes will be nice. But we will have to wait a bit for the timer rollbacks.
I am not sure if they will let everyone in local see the amount of time on different plexes right away or if that comes later. That will be a welcome change from having to warp around all the time to see if someone is in a plex.
Warp in being closer to the button is something I am not thrilled about, but it really won't change much.
Oh yeah the whole crime watch changes should be very nice too. I think the sentry guns stop after you warp away no more having to sit around for 15 minutes. Plus you don't go past -5 unless you pod people.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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