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Kinis Deren
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.11.24 10:38:00 -
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In pretty much any discussion about the overall direction of game development, the old phrase "Risk vs Reward" is often cited. Reward seems to be all about "more than that guy". But what about Risk, is there an accepted definition or metric? Well none that I can find, so I'd be interested in what the community as a whole thinks.
To get the ball rolling, I attempted a very simplistic calculation myself, using the data from Dotlan 2012 Summary in which I defined risk = ship kills/jumps. Here are the figures for the different secs;
High Sec = 0.002987
Low Sec = 0.013413
Null Sec = 0.007816
By the above definition, low sec is approximately twice as risky as null sec.
As I've already stated, this is a very simplistic overview and can see several issues with it myself, but do you have a better definition and associated data? |
Alice Saki
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Posted - 2012.11.24 10:44:00 -
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Oh My GD has gone to the Dogs
All You're Likes Belong to Me. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.11.24 10:49:00 -
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How about the same definition as everywhere else: risk = probability +ù cost.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.11.24 10:58:00 -
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oh look, the part of space that has gate camps at most gates has more ship losses per system than other parts of space. who'd have thought?
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2012.11.24 11:33:00 -
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This just proves that null sec needs more risk introduced because it is far more lucrative than low sec for half the risk. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
146
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Posted - 2012.11.24 11:37:00 -
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number of destroyed ships is not all risks in EVE
GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
148
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Posted - 2012.11.24 11:40:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:number of destroyed ships is not all risks in EVE
Yes it is, the OP proved it. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
137
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Posted - 2012.11.24 12:10:00 -
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Risk is equivalent within all the different "security" environments.
Smart people should realise this. |
Shaishi Otichoda
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.11.24 12:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:How about the same definition as everywhere else: risk = probability +ù cost.
Please define probability. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10414
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Posted - 2012.11.24 13:03:00 -
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Shaishi Otichoda wrote:Tippia wrote:How about the same definition as everywhere else: risk = probability +ù cost. Please define probability. Probability.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1627
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Posted - 2012.11.24 13:08:00 -
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Is this one of those topics like when we humans try to measure happiness and life?
How to : Playing Eve 100% Risk and Conflict FREE! |
Auric Veldfinger
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.11.24 16:15:00 -
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Hard to assess risk for certain systems because probability of loss will be affected by individual pilot skill. Perhaps insurance in EVE should be more like insurance in real life, why should a careful pilot like me be paying the same premium as a woman pilot who autopilots her ship while doing make up in the rear view mirror? |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
350
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Posted - 2012.11.24 16:19:00 -
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Well to get null space you first have to risk your supers, jfs, POSes, ihubs etc while lowsec is open to anyone without risking anything but what you're in. |
Auric Veldfinger
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.11.24 16:25:00 -
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Nalha Saldana wrote:Well to get null space you first have to risk your supers, jfs, POSes, ihubs etc while lowsec is open to anyone without risking anything but what you're in.
Low doesn't have 24 different intel channels with 700 people in at every hour of the day. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
236
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Posted - 2012.11.24 16:26:00 -
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further divide this in to faction null and Sov Null.
The inability to secure faction Null has been the reason given for it's desolation.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
684
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Posted - 2012.11.24 17:07:00 -
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Auric Veldfinger wrote:Nalha Saldana wrote:Well to get null space you first have to risk your supers, jfs, POSes, ihubs etc while lowsec is open to anyone without risking anything but what you're in. Low doesn't have 24 different intel channels with 700 people in at every hour of the day.
and that's the player's fault, and absolutely nothing to do with the game's design or mechanics.
nothing is stopping people doing the same for low sec.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Merouk Baas
4
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Posted - 2012.11.24 17:07:00 -
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probability = ship kills / jumps
risk = probability * cost of the ship and cargo that you're gonna fly there * high, low, or nullsec factor
better probability = value of ships killed / value of ships jumping in, but nobody keeps track of that. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
305
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Posted - 2012.11.24 17:19:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Auric Veldfinger wrote:Nalha Saldana wrote:Well to get null space you first have to risk your supers, jfs, POSes, ihubs etc while lowsec is open to anyone without risking anything but what you're in. Low doesn't have 24 different intel channels with 700 people in at every hour of the day. and that's the player's fault, and absolutely nothing to do with the game's design or mechanics. nothing is stopping people doing the same for low sec.
Not really.
If I am in an alliance that has the members and resources to provide JiT intell over 30 systems, why would I stay in lolsec? |
Shaishi Otichoda
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.11.24 17:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Shaishi Otichoda wrote:Tippia wrote:How about the same definition as everywhere else: risk = probability +ù cost. Please define probability. Probability.
Let me rephrase: define probability in context of EVE Online. Is it kills per jump, kills per time spent in system or what? |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
350
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Posted - 2012.11.24 17:31:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Dave stark wrote:Auric Veldfinger wrote:Nalha Saldana wrote:Well to get null space you first have to risk your supers, jfs, POSes, ihubs etc while lowsec is open to anyone without risking anything but what you're in. Low doesn't have 24 different intel channels with 700 people in at every hour of the day. and that's the player's fault, and absolutely nothing to do with the game's design or mechanics. nothing is stopping people doing the same for low sec. Not really. If I am in an alliance that has the members and resources to provide JiT intell over 30 systems, why would I stay in lolsec?
This is why i would want more dangerous lowsec gate guns, it its not the profit but the safety that is the problem.
Lowsec is supposed (by design) to be a big NRDS area for people not as organized and I think that it should be enforced more by NPCs but should still be dangerous in other ways then gate camps. |
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
685
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:29:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Dave stark wrote:Auric Veldfinger wrote:Nalha Saldana wrote:Well to get null space you first have to risk your supers, jfs, POSes, ihubs etc while lowsec is open to anyone without risking anything but what you're in. Low doesn't have 24 different intel channels with 700 people in at every hour of the day. and that's the player's fault, and absolutely nothing to do with the game's design or mechanics. nothing is stopping people doing the same for low sec. Not really. If I am in an alliance that has the members and resources to provide JiT intell over 30 systems, why would I stay in lolsec?
yes, really.
it doesn't matter what alliance you are in, if people don't want to make intel channels in low sec that's up to them. that doesn't however entitle them to complain when players who can be bothered to create such channels actually use them.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate
Tribal Band
857
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:36:00 -
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Auric Veldfinger wrote:Hard to assess risk for certain systems because probability of loss will be affected by individual pilot skill. Perhaps insurance in EVE should be more like insurance in real life, why should a careful pilot like me be paying the same premium as a woman pilot who autopilots her ship while doing make up in the rear view mirror?
+1 for stereotypically sexist remarks. 
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Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate
Tribal Band
857
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:38:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Ocih wrote:Dave stark wrote:Auric Veldfinger wrote:Nalha Saldana wrote:Well to get null space you first have to risk your supers, jfs, POSes, ihubs etc while lowsec is open to anyone without risking anything but what you're in. Low doesn't have 24 different intel channels with 700 people in at every hour of the day. and that's the player's fault, and absolutely nothing to do with the game's design or mechanics. nothing is stopping people doing the same for low sec. Not really. If I am in an alliance that has the members and resources to provide JiT intell over 30 systems, why would I stay in lolsec? yes, really. it doesn't matter what alliance you are in, if people don't want to make intel channels in low sec that's up to them. that doesn't however entitle them to complain when players who can be bothered to create such channels actually use them.
Lets not forget that those nullsec intel channels are not just once alliance, they are populated by coalitions.
And from personal experience, lowsec coalitions and intel channels do in fact exist, you just haven't joined the right alliance.
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Auric Veldfinger
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.11.24 18:47:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Ocih wrote:Dave stark wrote:Auric Veldfinger wrote:Nalha Saldana wrote:Well to get null space you first have to risk your supers, jfs, POSes, ihubs etc while lowsec is open to anyone without risking anything but what you're in. Low doesn't have 24 different intel channels with 700 people in at every hour of the day. and that's the player's fault, and absolutely nothing to do with the game's design or mechanics. nothing is stopping people doing the same for low sec. Not really. If I am in an alliance that has the members and resources to provide JiT intell over 30 systems, why would I stay in lolsec? yes, really. it doesn't matter what alliance you are in, if people don't want to make intel channels in low sec that's up to them. that doesn't however entitle them to complain when players who can be bothered to create such channels actually use them.
Who is complaining, did someone in here complain? I don't see it.
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Muestereate
Oneida Inc.
76
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Posted - 2012.11.24 21:19:00 -
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Those metrics measure risk to travel through, how about a time metric. Ships lost per hour. If your not traveling through null its even safer plus there are a lot of jumps between camps. |
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