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Doomhammar Council Of Internal War The Paganism Alliance 4	Posted - 2012.11.24 18:19:00 - [1] - Quote You've heard it before, you'll hear it again, but most topics is abit old for me. In Angel region, what's the best way to Rat and Maximize ISK/per hour?
Julius Priscus 13	Posted - 2012.11.25 04:51:00 - [2] - Quote Doomhammar wrote: You've heard it before, you'll hear it again, but most topics is abit old for me. In Angel region, what's the best way to Rat and Maximize ISK/per hour? 3 accounts all flying carriers doing forsaken hubs. when done wait for them to re-spawn and repeat till bored. or if single account. forsaken hubs.. mach plus matar sentry drones. with decent skills should get around 25m isk per tick
traderjohn 123 Kernkraft 400 0	Posted - 2012.11.26 12:30:00 - [3] - Quote Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins? Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min Please enlighten me! ;)
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 438	Posted - 2012.11.26 14:23:00 - [4] - Quote traderjohn 123 wrote: Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins? Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min Please enlighten me! ;) You're doing something really wrong there. i've used a Mach against every single race of rat and even doing forsaken rally points (in systems with no or very few forsaken hubs) I get 30 mil a tick minimum. Even from Guristas and Sanshas where you have to use phased plasma (because minmatar guns don't have a short ranged kinetic heavy ammo type). I use 4 faction gyrostabs, a tech 2 RoF rig, +3 hardwirings and 3x tracking enhancers. But even without all that I was still killing stuff quick with the mach. How are your gun and battleship skills? And I NEVER use drones, lights and mediums are fairly useless, heavies are too slow and I always end up flying away from my sentries. If you do a time trial you'll find that unbonused drones on a gun boat don't increase isk/hr any significant amount in anomalies while being an added pain in the rear to keep alive. If I know I'm going to be in anoms with frigs, I just put a web on my mach and kill them with guns. CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á
Julius Priscus 13	Posted - 2012.11.26 14:24:00 - [5] - Quote doing ONLY forsaken hubs with sentry drones. 1st hub only pays out x amount. 2nd one is where the big isk hits. and so on. why forsaken hubs??? no frigs to scramble your sorry ass. just battleships and cruisers/bc's and why sentries?? simple instant damage like guns. no drone shaving to chase npc's around on grid.. enjoy.
traderjohn 123 Kernkraft 400 0	Posted - 2012.11.26 15:25:00 - [6] - Quote I got both bs skills 5 and all gunnery **** 5 except large autocannon spec which is 4. This is my fit. (forsaken hub) I normally orbit at around 20-30 km. [Machariel, New Setup 1] Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Domination X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Gist X-Type Explosive Deflection Field 100MN Afterburner II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Bouncer II x4
Gibbo3771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 260	Posted - 2012.11.26 15:31:00 - [7] - Quote I have been able to get around 30mil/tick in Serpentis space with HAM tengu which does around 950dps. Forsaken hubs ofc. A Machariel does far more DPS and is fliping outstanding for killing angels, 35mil a tick is possible with a proper fit, paying attention and lvl5 skills + implants. wh thru null \| Solo/Small Gang PvP
traderjohn 123 Kernkraft 400 0	Posted - 2012.11.26 15:39:00 - [8] - Quote I just want to learn what I'm doing wrong so i can fix it! :)
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 441	Posted - 2012.11.26 17:13:00 - [9] - Quote traderjohn 123 wrote: I normally orbit at around 20-30 km. Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L Found some of your problems. Mach with Auto-cannons is a close range in your face slaughter machine. Only 2 tracking enhancers AND orbiting to far away means your bleeding of way too much dps. and are you going to cap stability or something with all the cap mods and rigs? What I do is on warp in to forsaken hub, I kill a cruiser, then approach the wreck while shooting the rest of the 1st spawn. Sitting on that wreck means the following spawns appear 2-5km from me at worst, and my mighty auto cannons shred them before they can even cry out in their weird Angel language (which sounds a lot liek Italian to me for some reason LOL). You need to kill the battleship rats that do EM damage quickly of course (saraphims?, can't remember, I'm not at home right now), but otherwise a good burst tank is all you need. my fit is: Highs 7x 800mms + 1x autotargeting system (auto-target just so i can get 10 targets) Mids 1x faction or deadpsace XL booster 3x hardeners or 2x hards + 1x boost amp 1x cap recharger lows 4x faction gyros 3x Tracking enhancer IIs Rigs 1x Tech 2 RoF rig (Burst Aerorator or however you spell it) 1x Tech 1 EM Shield Rig (EM because the mach has enough explosive shield resistance I carry light drones but don't use them and I use faction ammo because the expenses is worth shaving off time on anoms thus getting escalation/faction BS chances more often. Hope this helps. CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á
Kuro Bon Caldari Provisions Caldari State 22	Posted - 2012.11.26 17:25:00 - [10] - Quote traderjohn 123 wrote: Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins? Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min Please enlighten me! ;) 35m per 20 minutes is about $3 per hour. Hmm. 100M ISK per hour is about $3US an hour. -áIt's more efficient to work at starbucks.-á Playing the game doesn't advance skills, kinda like ProgressQuest.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 442	Posted - 2012.11.26 17:43:00 - [11] - Quote Kuro Bon wrote: traderjohn 123 wrote: Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins? Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min Please enlighten me! ;) 35m per 20 minutes is about $3 per hour. Hmm. $3 at home drinking beer and talking to friends on comms while shooting red boxes vs overtime pay at work stone sober dealing with crackheads and my Lieutenant who is almost as mean as a crackhead. I'll take the $3 please. CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 441	Posted - 2012.11.26 17:49:00 - [12] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Kuro Bon wrote: traderjohn 123 wrote: Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins? Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min Please enlighten me! ;) 35m per 20 minutes is about $3 per hour. Hmm. $3 at home drinking beer and talking to friends on comms while shooting red boxes vs overtime pay at work stone sober dealing with crackheads and my Lieutenant who is almost as mean as a crackhead. I'll take the $3 please. your beer will cost you more than 3$ an hour unless you're doing it wrongGäó. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 447	Posted - 2012.11.26 18:32:00 - [13] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Kuro Bon wrote: traderjohn 123 wrote: Please tell me how you get 35m per 20 mins? Im in mach with 3x gyro and 7x 800mm. Didn't use bouncers last time i tried, but i only get like 20mill per 20 min Please enlighten me! ;) 35m per 20 minutes is about $3 per hour. Hmm. $3 at home drinking beer and talking to friends on comms while shooting red boxes vs overtime pay at work stone sober dealing with crackheads and my Lieutenant who is almost as mean as a crackhead. I'll take the $3 please. your beer will cost you more than 3$ an hour unless you're doing it wrongGäó. Cost of doing business BURP. CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á
Julius Priscus 13	Posted - 2012.11.26 23:53:00 - [14] - Quote traderjohn 123 wrote: I got both bs skills 5 and all gunnery **** 5 except large autocannon spec which is 4. This is my fit. (forsaken hub) I normally orbit at around 20-30 km. [Machariel, New Setup 1] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap power relays do NOT belong on any active shield boosting ship.
Doomhammar Council Of Internal War The Paganism Alliance 4	Posted - 2012.11.27 17:39:00 - [15] - Quote Gibbo3771 wrote: I have been able to get around 30mil/tick in Serpentis space with HAM tengu which does around 950dps. Forsaken hubs ofc. A Machariel does far more DPS and is fliping outstanding for killing angels, 35mil a tick is possible with a proper fit, paying attention and lvl5 skills + implants. 950say what??? How? Post fit plz.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 442	Posted - 2012.11.27 18:14:00 - [16] - Quote Doomhammar wrote: Gibbo3771 wrote: I have been able to get around 30mil/tick in Serpentis space with HAM tengu which does around 950dps. Forsaken hubs ofc. A Machariel does far more DPS and is fliping outstanding for killing angels, 35mil a tick is possible with a proper fit, paying attention and lvl5 skills + implants. 950say what??? How? Post fit plz. he probably did not check the 'factor in reload time' checkbox in his eft. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Lilan Kahn The Littlest Hobos En Garde 44	Posted - 2012.11.27 22:44:00 - [17] - Quote Golem torpedos ring sanctums.
garillar The Graduates RAZOR Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.11.28 13:58:00 - [18] - Quote HAM Tengu + 5 allecated fighters + forsaken hubs = 35 mill ticks and sexy time...BOSHHHH!!!
Julius Priscus 13	Posted - 2012.11.28 14:00:00 - [19] - Quote garillar wrote: HAM Tengu + 5 allecated fighters + forsaken hubs = 35 mill ticks and sexy time...BOSHHHH!!! lol if you HAVE to use fighters then mach will still beat you.
BlackPyroStorm Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc. 0	Posted - 2012.11.30 12:37:00 - [20] - Quote garillar wrote: HAM Tengu + 5 allecated fighters + forsaken hubs = 35 mill ticks and sexy time...BOSHHHH!!! but that is still using 2 characters. why not just put that carrier alt into a Battle ship and you'll make even more
Lilan Kahn The Littlest Hobos En Garde 44	Posted - 2012.12.01 11:07:00 - [21] - Quote garillar wrote: HAM Tengu + 5 allecated fighters + forsaken hubs = 35 mill ticks and sexy time...BOSHHHH!!! wow a hole 35m!! you know a navy mega can get the same isk ticks ?
Ronan Connor 6	Posted - 2012.12.01 12:43:00 - [22] - Quote Doomhammar wrote: You've heard it before, you'll hear it again, but most topics is abit old for me. In Angel region, what's the best way to Rat and Maximize ISK/per hour? I like the Angel region, cause the NPC arent dampening to death. Having a "Blockade" with Serpentis will drive you nuts. Guristas where the same, and Blood Raiders use power drainers. If its worth maximizing the isk I dont know. Havent written excel sheets about that. But its definately more enjoyable.
Vahldaris Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.12.20 15:54:00 - [23] - Quote From reading this thread seems to be best earner is using a carrier running sentries. Is that still viable with the rats now targeting drones? I suppose you can target all sentries and use the carrier like a logi while the drones do the dps. I'm thinking of running 3 accounts, is it possible to use 3 carriers? One issue I'm thinking about is carriers take a long time to get out if there's reds in system. And is it doable to rep all the drones when running 3 carriers? Or am I better off using 3 BS like nightmare or mach?
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 696	Posted - 2012.12.20 16:19:00 - [24] - Quote Vahldaris wrote: From reading this thread seems to be best earner is using a carrier running sentries. Is that still viable with the rats now targeting drones? I suppose you can target all sentries and use the carrier like a logi while the drones do the dps. I'm thinking of running 3 accounts, is it possible to use 3 carriers? One issue I'm thinking about is carriers take a long time to get out if there's reds in system. And is it doable to rep all the drones when running 3 carriers? Or am I better off using 3 BS like nightmare or mach? I've done and seen other do the 3 carrier thing. It's a lot of micro-management ANd a lot of danger (if you use sentries you are not aligned to get out) for not the best return. When I triple box, it's a DPS ship (mach, nightmare or Vindi depending on the space) with 2 other ships in support. Usually 2 FoF missile Tengus, or FoFTengu + FoF Navy Raven (this set up is more comfortable, the Ravens cruise missile launchers cycle so slow I don't have to tab over to restart the missiles so much) Or more recently FoF Tengu (or FoF navy Raven) and Sentry/FoF missile Rattlesnake. Assign sentries to assist dps ship = blap blap blap isk, the FoF missiles from the snake are just a bonus. I started with the FoF missiles because controlling 2-3 ships at one was tedious to me, with the FoFs all I do is set the ship to follow the DPS ship, start firing the FoF missiles and forget about it for 4.5 minutes till it needs to reload lol. since FoF missiles shoot at the closest target, the FoF missile ship is acting as point defense for the dps ship. I've had people try to gank me in anoms only to get eaten by the Tengu lol. In Gurista Space with Vindi/tengu/tengu I was making 200+ mil an hour. Another good dualbox set up is two machs, 1 arty fit, 1 autocannon fit. Blap the target once with arty mach, then chew it up with the A/C mach, every battleship dies in 12 seconds or less :) .
Cage Man Evil Guinea Pigs 42	Posted - 2012.12.20 19:16:00 - [25] - Quote I used to use a sentry carrier and a 1400mm arty fit maelstrom. Carrier keeps maelstrom alive and maelstrom was double web fit so I could more quickly warp carrier out in case of danger. I was doing 30-40mil ticks in angel space this way.
Serenity of Void Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.12.21 14:59:00 - [26] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Another good dualbox set up is two machs, 1 arty fit, 1 autocannon fit. Blap the target once with arty mach, then chew it up with the A/C mach, every battleship dies in 12 seconds or less :) . Mind saying how much isk/hour on that?
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 700	Posted - 2012.12.21 15:23:00 - [27] - Quote Serenity of Void wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Another good dualbox set up is two machs, 1 arty fit, 1 autocannon fit. Blap the target once with arty mach, then chew it up with the A/C mach, every battleship dies in 12 seconds or less :) . Mind saying how much isk/hour on that? Is "boatloads" a number? 140-160 mil an hour range, had less than perfect skills when I was doing that though.
Julius Priscus 32	Posted - 2012.12.21 15:43:00 - [28] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Serenity of Void wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Another good dualbox set up is two machs, 1 arty fit, 1 autocannon fit. Blap the target once with arty mach, then chew it up with the A/C mach, every battleship dies in 12 seconds or less :) . Mind saying how much isk/hour on that? Is "boatloads" a number? 140-160 mil an hour range, had less than perfect skills when I was doing that though. in other words 70-80m isk per hour per accounts. still my mach can top out at around 120m an hour.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 700	Posted - 2012.12.21 16:17:00 - [29] - Quote Julius Priscus wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Serenity of Void wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Another good dualbox set up is two machs, 1 arty fit, 1 autocannon fit. Blap the target once with arty mach, then chew it up with the A/C mach, every battleship dies in 12 seconds or less :) . Mind saying how much isk/hour on that? Is "boatloads" a number? 140-160 mil an hour range, had less than perfect skills when I was doing that though. in other words 70-80m isk per hour per accounts. still my mach can top out at around 120m an hour. You can't view anom ratting duos as equals, an arty mach by it self won't make as much isk as an autocannom mach, and because of warps between sites and sublte differences in spawns (not every spawn is the same), 2 800mm machs won't make 240 mil an hour even if one mach could make 120 mil an hour solo. it's better to say the one A/C mach can make 120 mil an hour and the 2nd arty mach can speed that up by another 40-50 mil. Again, this was with less than perfect skills and implants back then. The advantage is a super large increase in isk per hour, its an increase in anoms done per hour, and every anom completed is a chance for an escalation or faction spawn.

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