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LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 70	Posted - 2012.11.25 14:57:00 - [1] - Quote ... get rid of buddy invite program where for the price of one PLEX, we can get 51 days on a new account and 30 days on our current account. It is my experience that 75+% of "new players" are really just vets on alts. You don't have to be in a conversation with a "new player" very long before they slip up and use common EVE terminology or in some other way show that they are not really a new player. SO, even if the "real" retention rates are close to 50%, it will show up in CCP data as 90% of new accounts drop after 51 days.... (21 day trial and 30 days they paid for, to actually get the 30 days on their main).
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1128	Posted - 2012.11.25 14:59:00 - [2] - Quote Another quality NPC alt post. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto
Jonah Gravenstein Holistic Materials Research Council 3636	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:07:00 - [3] - Quote AFAIK CCP have already nerfed this, it is rumoured that PLEX is no longer a viable activation method for an inviter to get a free PLEX. Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid Corporations for sale, with hisec POS rights
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 1687	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:09:00 - [4] - Quote 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Jame Jarl Retief Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 408	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:11:00 - [5] - Quote That suggestion will do nothing for new player retention. All it will do is reduce the number of alt accounts by old players making use of the buddy system, and reduce the number of new people coming into the game (they would only get 21 days free and then have to pay, with no benefit to the guy who invited them, who should in all honesty give them the PLEX anyway, or at least split it). Besides, didn't they already remove the restriction on how many buddy invites you can send and removed the free PLEX as reward if they sub? I seem to have heard something like that not too long ago. Besides, I don't believe anything they do will attract new players or help retention in any considerable amount. I mean, look at upcoming expansion. Crimewatch, bounties, rebalance, new AI. Imagine yourself as a totally new player, never played EVE. Do any of these have any meaning to you? The answer is no. None of this is attractive to a new player. Now, imagine yourself as a new-ish player, you tried EVE at one point, but didn't really like it, so you quit after your trial expired. Do any of these things call you back to the game? Again, not really. The AI might, if you thought the PvE was boring. Except the AI change is so minor that it will still be just as boring, with a new healthy dose of aggravation mixed in. So, where's the carrot? That's the thing CCP needs to focus on. Things that will attract new players, or players who tried EVE but didn't click. And no, new tutorials are NOT going to cut it. Nobody ever came into an MMO for the gameplay but stayed because the tutorial was just so darn awesome. What they need is something massive to shake up the whole system. To make everyone, from total noobs who never tried EVE to bitter vets that quit ages ago go "Whoa, I gotta try that!" AND, and this is a biggie, it has to work, and work properly, at launch. Not be iterated over months or years. It has to work right out of the gate with minimal bugs. If they do that, we'd see a spike in subs. But rehashing old content, no matter how much it is needed (and it IS needed, I totally agree), will not bring new players in, or help to keep them.
Surfin's PlunderBunny The Python Cartel. 3670	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:11:00 - [6] - Quote Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. It's 53.2%, dumbass "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10732	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:13:00 - [7] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. It's 53.2%, dumbass I've taken another look at this and arrived at 57.3% with a .3% chance of variation. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 190	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:24:00 - [8] - Quote Mag's wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. It's 53.2%, dumbass I've taken another look at this and arrived at 57.3% with a .3% chance of variation. I'd say 100% players don't care what NPC alts think about retention of newbies. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1134	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:29:00 - [9] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: I'd say 100% players don't care what NPC alts think about retention of newbies. This is around 89.64% true. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto
Surfin's PlunderBunny The Python Cartel. 3674	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:32:00 - [10] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Mag's wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. It's 53.2%, dumbass I've taken another look at this and arrived at 57.3% with a .3% chance of variation. I'd say 100% players don't care what NPC alts think about retention of newbies. There were no NPC alts in your quote... I'm 100% sure of that "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 190	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:35:00 - [11] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: There were no NPC alts in your quote... I'm 100% sure of that I had 97% of chance that 63% of posters here would understand I meant an OP. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Ghazu 291	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:35:00 - [12] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175602&find=unread Connect the dots. http://www.minerbumping.com/
Zoctrine Perkone Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.11.25 15:39:00 - [13] - Quote Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. 42.716 to be exact...

ISD TYPE40 ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3131	Posted - 2012.11.25 16:33:00 - [14] - Quote Posts have been removed from this thread for breaching the following rule: Forum Rules wrote: 24. Off-topic posting is not allowed. Off-topic posts are not prohibited but should be posted within reason. Excessive off-topic posts that derail a thread may result in the thread being locked. Please stay on topic - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 998	Posted - 2012.11.25 16:48:00 - [15] - Quote CCP knows by IP and email addresses just exactly who is and is not a 'real' new player for thier metrics. This is a hare-brained OP post indeed.
General Nusense Republic University Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2012.11.25 18:00:00 - [16] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Another quality NPC alt post. There is nothing wrong posting with NPC alts, actually its funny watching you guys get all butt hurt about it, which you do. So in closing I will add a U MAD?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10428	Posted - 2012.11.25 18:03:00 - [17] - Quote So increasing costs for new accounts and making invites less effective increases retention numbersGÇª how, exactly? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
YoYo NickyYo Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2012.11.25 19:05:00 - [18] - Quote Tippia wrote: So increasing costs for new accounts and making invites less effective increases retention numbersGÇª how, exactly? Explanations cost extra...... I'm not a troll! I just play one on TV! I'm not a troll!, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 585	Posted - 2012.11.25 19:07:00 - [19] - Quote CCP I HAVE FIGURED OUT SUCCES FOR U JUST MAKE LESS MONEY DUMMYS im out
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5272	Posted - 2012.11.25 19:36:00 - [20] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: ... get rid of buddy invite program where for the price of one PLEX, we can get 51 days on a new account and 30 days on our current account. It is my experience that 75+% of "new players" are really just vets on alts. You don't have to be in a conversation with a "new player" very long before they slip up and use common EVE terminology or in some other way show that they are not really a new player. SO, even if the "real" retention rates are close to 50%, it will show up in CCP data as 90% of new accounts drop after 51 days.... (21 day trial and 30 days they paid for, to actually get the 30 days on their main). How will this increase the number of new players? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 345	Posted - 2012.11.25 19:44:00 - [21] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Another quality NPC alt post. Check your Employment history. It's called EVE by default.
Jame Jarl Retief Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 409	Posted - 2012.11.25 19:44:00 - [22] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: CCP knows by IP and email addresses just exactly who is and is not a 'real' new player for thier metrics. This is a hare-brained OP post indeed. That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes.
Bane Necran Appono Astos 785	Posted - 2012.11.25 19:45:00 - [23] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Another quality NPC alt post. Another weak ad hominem attack from a goonswarm member. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 998	Posted - 2012.11.25 19:46:00 - [24] - Quote Jame Jarl Retief wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: CCP knows by IP and email addresses just exactly who is and is not a 'real' new player for thier metrics. This is a hare-brained OP post indeed. That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes. They have their ways. edit: Also, player behavior can reveal a lot at that point. A new multi account probably will not run through the tutorial sequence etc. It's actually really hard to hide things online these days. A mistake a lot of forum posters make.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 587	Posted - 2012.11.25 19:51:00 - [25] - Quote Jame Jarl Retief wrote: That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes. This is of course assuming you want to mislead CCP and are willing to put in effort to do that. That's...probably not a lot of people, if anyone at all.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 998	Posted - 2012.11.25 19:53:00 - [26] - Quote Snow Axe wrote: Jame Jarl Retief wrote: That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes. This is of course assuming you want to mislead CCP and are willing to put in effort to do that. That's...probably not a lot of people, if anyone at all. Yeah. I think Jarl Retief may have revealed something. edit: besides being a typical geek nit-picker.
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 345	Posted - 2012.11.25 19:59:00 - [27] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Jame Jarl Retief wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: CCP knows by IP and email addresses just exactly who is and is not a 'real' new player for thier metrics. This is a hare-brained OP post indeed. That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes. They have their ways. edit: Also, player behavior can reveal a lot at that point. A new multi account probably will not run through the tutorial sequence etc. It's actually really hard to hide things online these days. A mistake a lot of forum posters make. He didn't know, they didn't know, I didn't know they knew? You know?
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 998	Posted - 2012.11.25 21:01:00 - [28] - Quote Skydell wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Jame Jarl Retief wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: CCP knows by IP and email addresses just exactly who is and is not a 'real' new player for thier metrics. This is a hare-brained OP post indeed. That's not always true. Some people have dynamic IP, meaning it changes often. Depending on your internet provider, dynamic IP might actually be the norm, as it was with my last one. The current one uses sticky dynamic IP, it still changes, just a lot less frequently. Not to mention you could always use a proxy and pretend you're someone from Ivory Coast... :P And email address? I can create 10 dummy email addresses in 10 minutes. They have their ways. edit: Also, player behavior can reveal a lot at that point. A new multi account probably will not run through the tutorial sequence etc. It's actually really hard to hide things online these days. A mistake a lot of forum posters make. He didn't know, they didn't know, I didn't know they knew? You know? I know.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 72	Posted - 2012.11.26 03:59:00 - [29] - Quote It seems nobody got the hidden point of my OP. I've read several dev blogs and even the CSM notes, where CCP seems to be focused on retention rates. Oh, if we could just fix the new player experience so that we could increase the retention rates even a couple %.... blah blah blah. Well, as I've said, increasing the retention rate would be easy. Get rid of my ability to get 51-day alt account and 30 days on my main account, for the cost of 30 days on my main account.... Fewer temp, throw away alt accounts would result in a much higher retention rate of the actual, real, new players. OH.. That isn't what they actually mean? They actually want to increase the player base, by keeping more of the actual real players. Just decreasing the number of new accounts to increase the retention rate does not do that.... Then perhaps, (My implied point of the OP) if they really want to increase the player base, perhaps they should stop looking at the retention rate and start focusing on bringing in more ACTUAL new players. The retention rate sucks, not because the new player experience sucks, but rather, because the vast, vast majority of new accounts are not actual new players. Fixing the new player experience is not going to increase the player base, if all those "new players" they hope to retain are actually just alts that the creator never had any intention of keeping beyond the first 51-81 days.
Gillia Winddancer Shiny Noble Crown Services 126	Posted - 2012.11.26 09:48:00 - [30] - Quote A cheap way (not cheap as in production value but cheap as in a cheap trick) could be to have a few 30-minute series made. CCP is pretty high quality in terms of trailers and storytelling so and as far as I am aware of, EVE is quite rich in lore of the sci-fi kind. Half hour short stories would IMO be the ultimate way to go, preferably starting from the beginning when New Eden is discovered and all that. Basically start off by peeking people's interest in EVE. That's where it always should start anyway. As for retention rate, I really doubt that it will change all that much because the game is what it is and it caters for a rather niched group of gamers. Besides I don't think that too many MMO devs have gone too far into "movie making" so word of something like this would probably go out pretty fast. Try introducing EVE to a bunch of WoW or CoD teenagers. You'd probably be lucky to even retain 5% of that group. On the other side, some of the current items that are being developed/revamped by CCP may very well slightly increase the retention rate. The UI revamp is one such item. But apart from that, the only real option is making more people aware and curious of EVE. That's pretty much the only way to increase the number of players.

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