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Miss Parasite
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Posted - 2005.04.28 10:55:00 -
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I wanted to se what would happen if I attacked someone in 0.9 space. I knew I was likely to lose my ship but still I was very suprised by what happened.
I launched my first volley of missiles, which seemed to hit its target perfectly. Except that on both my view and the view of my friends account the victem took no damage at all. Strang, that 5 heavy missiles should do no damage on a osprey. (I checked the log to, and there is no trace of me hurting him). Anyway I started warping out excpecting concord to arrive soon, but before I could warp the second volley of missiles was launched. My friend could tell me that the missiles headed strait for the target but that when I warped out the missiles disapared in thin air.
Then comming out of warp I discover that Concord did not warp to the sceen of crime but to me at the planet which I though was a safe spot.
So my questions is:
* Any explanations to why a osprey took no damage from 5 heavy missiles?
* Do missiles always disapare in mid flight when you warp out.
* Do concord always warp to the offender?
* Do concord always scramble people? In case of yes how much scramble strength do they usually have?
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Akyr
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Posted - 2005.04.28 10:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Miss Parasite
* Do concord always scramble people? In case of yes how much scramble strength do they usually have?
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Cam Conquer
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Posted - 2005.04.28 11:09:00 -
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If you are attempting to warp out your missiles will either stop or hit the target doing zero damage
Concord will warp to thw offender wherever they are safes do not work with concord.
Like he said as far as i know concord have like super scramblers so you dont usually get away unless your lucky 
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Turiel Demon
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Posted - 2005.04.28 11:17:00 -
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I got away once, for all of a warp to safe spot.... where they found me again 
Accidentaly jammed a neutral in 0.7 space in a fleet battle, flying a scorp.
Anyways, concord ships don't appear to do a great deal of damage, I could have tanked them forever realy, I just couldn't see any way to stop them shooting, so I just had to let them blow the scorp 
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2005.04.28 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Turiel Demon
I got away once, for all of a warp to safe spot.... where they found me again
Accidentaly jammed a neutral in 0.7 space in a fleet battle, flying a scorp.
Anyways, concord ships don't appear to do a great deal of damage, I could have tanked them forever realy, I just couldn't see any way to stop them shooting, so I just had to let them blow the scorp
Concord r ***. I tested some on the testserver. And only concord BS scramble you. So if you kill them off, you can warp to the gate, and hope that it is a 0.4- system, or you will be right on it again. Do NOT warp to 15km tho, cause concord does no dmg at all, but customs officials will******your ass.
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Miss Parasite
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Posted - 2005.04.28 14:40:00 -
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Hmm to bad, I really thought that hit and run would be possible. So you can't get away even with wcs?
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Nemiona
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Posted - 2005.04.28 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Parasite
Hmm to bad, I really thought that hit and run would be possible. So you can't get away even with wcs?
afaik youre not allowed to attack in safe space (>0.4) without beeing killed after it. tactics to avoid it is an exploit and an bannable action.
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Badshah
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Posted - 2005.04.28 15:53:00 -
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This is a subject I've wanted to address for a long time. I think that delibrately evading retribution from Concord for high security violence is/should be legit. This is the stupidest policy I've ever come across.
Just for the sake of argument, I am a criminal. I commit a crime is Empire. You bet your ass I'm going to 'evade'. What makes anyone think otherwise? It is up to concord to catch and punish me- if they can!
Just me,
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Buster Hymen
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Posted - 2005.04.28 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Badshah
This is a subject I've wanted to address for a long time. I think that delibrately evading retribution from Concord for high security violence is/should be legit. This is the stupidest policy I've ever come across.
Just for the sake of argument, I am a criminal. I commit a crime is Empire. You bet your ass I'm going to 'evade'. What makes anyone think otherwise? It is up to concord to catch and punish me- if they can!
I would support that under one circumstance.
If you got some sort of automatic criminal flag so that anyone could waste you in empire without any consequences - including Concord (but not necessarily the insta gank it is these days).
Worse, you couldn't get rid of your criminal status in that sector until you either "paid-off" Concord (you really wouldn't want to see how stiff the penalities were) or until a certain period of time, say 20-40 hours or so of logged-in character time passed.
That to me would seem to be a pretty equitable solution that would allow for piracy in empire, as well as the ability for bounty hunters to trap pirate prey. There would be risk and reward to both sides.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.04.28 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Buster Hymen
Originally by: Badshah
This is a subject I've wanted to address for a long time. I think that delibrately evading retribution from Concord for high security violence is/should be legit. This is the stupidest policy I've ever come across.
Just for the sake of argument, I am a criminal. I commit a crime is Empire. You bet your ass I'm going to 'evade'. What makes anyone think otherwise? It is up to concord to catch and punish me- if they can!
You do get the criminal flag you're talking about already.
I would support that under one circumstance.
If you got some sort of automatic criminal flag so that anyone could waste you in empire without any consequences - including Concord (but not necessarily the insta gank it is these days).
Worse, you couldn't get rid of your criminal status in that sector until you either "paid-off" Concord (you really wouldn't want to see how stiff the penalities were) or until a certain period of time, say 20-40 hours or so of logged-in character time passed.
That to me would seem to be a pretty equitable solution that would allow for piracy in empire, as well as the ability for bounty hunters to trap pirate prey. There would be risk and reward to both sides.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.28 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Buster Hymen
Originally by: Badshah
This is a subject I've wanted to address for a long time. I think that delibrately evading retribution from Concord for high security violence is/should be legit. This is the stupidest policy I've ever come across.
Just for the sake of argument, I am a criminal. I commit a crime is Empire. You bet your ass I'm going to 'evade'. What makes anyone think otherwise? It is up to concord to catch and punish me- if they can!
I would support that under one circumstance.
If you got some sort of automatic criminal flag so that anyone could waste you in empire without any consequences - including Concord (but not necessarily the insta gank it is these days).
Worse, you couldn't get rid of your criminal status in that sector until you either "paid-off" Concord (you really wouldn't want to see how stiff the penalities were) or until a certain period of time, say 20-40 hours or so of logged-in character time passed.
That to me would seem to be a pretty equitable solution that would allow for piracy in empire, as well as the ability for bounty hunters to trap pirate prey. There would be risk and reward to both sides.
What are you talking about? Piracy is possible in empire (0.1 - 0.4). Its not CCP's fault that 90% of low sec is crap (along with 90% of 0.0 regions close to empire), and its not worth going there. Oh wait it is.
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Nemiona
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Posted - 2005.04.28 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Badshah
This is a subject I've wanted to address for a long time. I think that delibrately evading retribution from Concord for high security violence is/should be legit. This is the stupidest policy I've ever come across.
Just for the sake of argument, I am a criminal. I commit a crime is Empire. You bet your ass I'm going to 'evade'. What makes anyone think otherwise? It is up to concord to catch and punish me- if they can!
I disagree.. allowing hostile action in empire and beeing able to evade the punishment is not good. People killing other players in empire (no war) just want easy targets killing miners with 0 sp in fighting and newbies that joined 1 hour earlier.
Noone forces a fighter to train minig/production skills, but it seems that alot of the fighters will force the miners/producers to train fighting skills.
If you really want to fight, go to <.5 and fight people that may have a chance to fight you back..-but maybe youre afraid of just that ?
I dont like the 'haha you was in low sec you should be expecting this, go in 1.0 if you dont want to fight'.. then when they arrive in >.4 someone kills them there and say 'dont mine here, go to <.4 looser'
Seems like everyone that got their ass kicked down in .0 goes to empire to do revenge on the miners there.
Just for the record, I live in .2 and have been there for a year.
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Buster Hymen
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Posted - 2005.05.02 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
What are you talking about? Piracy is possible in empire (0.1 - 0.4). Its not CCP's fault that 90% of low sec is crap (along with 90% of 0.0 regions close to empire), and its not worth going there. Oh wait it is.
I was referring to Bad's post.
I know piracy is now possible in empire atm. What I'm supporting here is balancing the risk/reward factor for both pirates and bounty hunters in empire.
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.05.02 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Gift on 02/05/2005 17:57:18
When I was a nub I used to go around trying to kill people in .8's to .5's. I would buy 2-5 punishers and go to town. I was able to destroy 1-20 ships but the "concord chase & shoot out" afterwards was more fun than anything else. Sometimes I could get away, most time I couldn't. I think the amount of fun that was had far out weighs the 1 frigate that was killed in safe space. Then concord got UBER and the fun was over but the idea that if you do escape the incredibly OVER-POWERED police you are sploiting is retarded.
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Valan
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Posted - 2005.05.02 19:22:00 -
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Attacking someone knowing they're not going to attack you back is the worst type of carebearing. Big deal if you lose a frigate or cruiser.
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