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Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 695	Posted - 2012.11.29 20:40:00 - [1] - Quote Hello, Capsuleers. I speak to you so-called "demigods" and perhaps more importantly to the populations of the planets and orbitals outside of the place known, colloquially, as high security space. I'd like to bring you a curious coincidence that speaks to the corruption or incompetence of your defenders. Just before Evaulon was, sadly, attacked by somewhere around 20 Guardian Angel pilots in capital ships and vindicators, the federation navy "redeployed" out of the area due to not finding any significant evidence of continued major Serpentis presence in the systems. I am receiving information through my network that this is clearly not the case, and in fact the Federation Navy was so "caught off guard" that they did not have any response fleet in the area at all. The angel attack was, of course, set upon by marauding capsuleers, as tends to happen when ever any group masses enough numbers in shiny enough ships to attract the apparently all-sensing greed of the Capsuleer alliances. Why do you continue to put your faith in your empires? They are failing you. Their systems are outdated, open to corruption from within and without. Today it was the federation. Tomorrow it will be the empire. Perhaps the state or the republic will also prove to be as vulnerable to influence. CONCORD has prove that it cannot protect the border areas outside the central core of the cluster. Abandon them, as they have abandoned you. Seek protection and co-operation amongst yourselves, and amongst those who have proven that they have the ability to actually project force into the area, be this capsuleer, pirate, or emergent empire. Protect yourselves, because CONCORD will not protect you. CONCORD has failed.
Desiderya Wiyrkomi Honor Guard 102	Posted - 2012.11.29 21:01:00 - [2] - Quote Emergent empire, what a nice touch. Anyways, CONCORD's mission is to keep capsuleers under control. The federal navy's incapability to properly respond to a sizeable threat in Placid is a long known concern of local citizens, who feel that they're neglected compared to other areas of the federation. It's good to see that you're having such a healthy interest in the misfortune of others. It must be the perfect rallying ground for your cause.
Aelisha Nisaba Syndicate NISYN Inc. 48	Posted - 2012.11.29 21:10:00 - [3] - Quote Sansha capitalising on a tragedy (I refuse to celebrate the death of civilians with nodefence against bombardment, even if they fly a Federation flag), in a display of how much they have to clutch at straws to remain relevant now their master's mk2 Sansha make the concept of 'capsuleer lackeys' a pipe dream at best and contractual, signed for, suicide at worst (when he is done with you). I'd ask for some respect for the dead, but I assume that concept will be lost on you without a couple of communal, neurally invasive, meetings and a good bit of deprogramming to ensure no niggling doubts creep in while you observe the reality of this situation. Simply put, the straw clutching would be cute if not for the horror of this current situation. I thought you were some kind of PR specialist for the Foundations? CEO of Nisaba Syndicate Intaki born State Citizen and supporter of the Practicals Bloc.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 696	Posted - 2012.11.29 21:10:00 - [4] - Quote Desiderya wrote: Emergent empire, what a nice touch. Anyways, CONCORD's mission is to keep capsuleers under control. The federal navy's incapability to properly respond to a sizeable threat in Placid is a long known concern of local citizens, who feel that they're neglected compared to other areas of the federation. It's good to see that you're having such a healthy interest in the misfortune of others. It must be the perfect rallying ground for your cause. I would hope that the other empires might learn a few things. This was a failure of the Gallente Navy. The Gallente should be examining their systems and processes to learn what happened and how it can be prevented in the future. CONCORD should look at the events of today, and several other events, and learn that capsuleers are a threat, and perhaps not worth the cost. They cannot, truly, be controlled, as my own allegiance makes clear. I didn't stay tied to them, and I have now been a member of the Foundations longer than I was a loyal member of the four empires. I am also much more of a threat, exponentially so. The other three core empires should take the opportunity to ask themselves the same questions the Gallente should be asking. Are our systems open to corruption? Are we simply overstretched? Can we trust the capsuleers we have trained to protect us, or will they simply rampage at the site of blood, as the capsuleer organization known as Snuff Box did today? If not, what can we do to protect ourselves? The people of the cluster need to recognize that a fundamentally new order has come, and those who fail to adapt to it will, as always, fade into history as lessons. They need to understand that, especially in the fact that capsuleers are so powerful and prevalent, their leaders have failed to protect them on a very fundamental level. CONCORD holds our chains for now, but that leash will not stay strong forever as capsuleers pull and strain against it, as long as CONCORD refuses to reinforce those limitations and make them stronger.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 696	Posted - 2012.11.29 21:13:00 - [5] - Quote Aelisha wrote: Sansha capitalising on a tragedy (I refuse to celebrate the death of civilians with nodefence against bombardment, even if they fly a Federation flag), in a display of how much they have to clutch at straws to remain relevant now their master's mk2 Sansha make the concept of 'capsuleer lackeys' a pipe dream at best and contractual, signed for, suicide at worst (when he is done with you). I'd ask for some respect for the dead, but I assume that concept will be lost on you without a couple of communal, neurally invasive, meetings and a good bit of deprogramming to ensure no niggling doubts creep in while you observe the reality of this situation. Simply put, the straw clutching would be cute if not for the horror of this current situation. I thought you were some kind of PR specialist for the Foundations? This is not capitalizing on a tragedy, and I mourn for the deaths of the civilians involved, perhaps more keenly than you. The memories flowing through our network have given me a very direct perspective on the horror of having ones planet bombarded from space. This is a warning. More death will happen unless the empires and the people in them fail to recognize the threat in their skies, and the failure of (or complicity of) their leadership to prevent these crimes.
Pieter Tuulinen Wiyrkomi Honor Guard 16	Posted - 2012.11.29 21:20:00 - [6] - Quote The Caldari people have a keen memory of the horror that is indiscriminate planetary bombardment. As such, despite the current state of war between my people and the Gallente Federation I wish to express my unreserved compassion for them in this dark hour. The bombardment of planetary targets is an atrocity and one that I hope will prove counter-productive to both the perpetrators and their enablers within the Capsuleer community. Despite my antipathy towards the cause espoused by Capsuleer Thessalonia he IS right about this being a massive failure, both operationally within the Gallente Navy and a failure of conscience within those Capsuleer organisations that supported the Serpentis in this heinous act.
Hulemand Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate 7	Posted - 2012.11.29 21:51:00 - [7] - Quote I can confirm that a combined force of Serpentis, Angel and Coreli pilots have acquired what we came for at Evaulon VII, and have leveled the city of Rilnais to the ground as a warning not to cross with the Serpentis. Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 873	Posted - 2012.11.29 22:10:00 - [8] - Quote Hulemand wrote: I can confirm that a combined force of Serpentis, Angel and Coreli pilots have acquired what we came for at Evaulon VII, and have leveled the city of Rilnais to the ground as a warning not to cross with the Serpentis. You know, indiscriminate razing of entire cities -after- you have gotten what you want is not a good way to encourage cooperation. Positive reinforcement works best, really. Besides, wasn't it capsuleers and other space-faring vessels who got in your way? Or did the populace of Rilnais rise up in one voice and say "No." to the snakes? Unless it was the people of Rilnais that resisted your demands and fought back, burning them to the ground won't serve as a very good warning. Planetside city dwellers have no political clout or actual leverage on the activities of capsuleers, so terrorizing them won't stop bands of marauding capsuleers from interfering with you next time. In fact, quite the opposite. Most capsuleers won't care, or will only see it as more reason to try and stop you before you have a chance to do so again. Simply put, razing the city was a poor strategic choice. You terrorized the wrong people, and only give more reason to your enemies and rivals to respond more swiftly and with even greater force next time. If you want to put a violent stop to someone who bothers you, don't punch a nearby wall in frivolous rage... give that person a black eye instead.
Launette Vylier Serpentis Corporation Serpentis 0	Posted - 2012.11.29 22:13:00 - [9] - Quote Hulemand wrote: I can confirm that a combined force of Serpentis, Angel and Coreli pilots have acquired what we came for at Evaulon VII, and have leveled the city of Rilnais to the ground as a warning not to cross with the Serpentis. Support from the Coreli Corporation this evening was much appreciated and far exceeded the standard we are used to from capsuleers. Despite the loss of a number of vessels and a small percentage of our ground forces, our objective was completed and we find ourselves in a position that offers the possibility of immense profit. We have the professionalism, skill and ability of Coreli Corporation and Anshar Incorporated personnel to thanks for this. As a support squad to our orbital strike fleet and our dirtside operations, your performance was outstanding. The sincerest thanks of the Serpentis Corporation are relayed from my superiors. Regards, Launette Vylier Operational Commander Kobro Division Serpentis Corporation
Seriphyn Inhonores Soltueur Company 220	Posted - 2012.11.29 22:13:00 - [10] - Quote Sad to see so many foreigners politicize the issue and push forward their ego by decrying the Federation's lack of response (in other channels at least). Remember that NOH collaboration with the Guristas recently? But that's not the point. The point is, is that these things happen, and as someone who spent four years defending Evaulon and the wider region, it pains me to see my fellow citizens murdered like this. You can either sit around and blame higher-ups to make you feel better, or you can do something about it. For whatever reason, action did not come. This is just one city out of millions, just like the thousands of deadspace colonies raided on a daily basis. In a perfect world, such atrocities do not happen. But they do, and we must deal with it. It'd be nice if the navies of the cluster had universal presence to guarantee universal defence. But they don't, and we must deal with it. I'm not going to pretend to know why it was allowed to happen. Man cannot always stop man killing man. That's how the world works. Sit around and think yourself smarter than men and women who control empires of billions of people and hundreds of worlds. The last thing I will do is assume interstellar tyrants like Tibus Heth and Mentas Blaque are dumber than me. If they were, I'd be the ones with their jobs.
Natalcya Katla Naqam Shaktipat Revelators 44	Posted - 2012.11.29 22:17:00 - [11] - Quote How very precious the lives of planetsiders are.
Hulemand Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate 7	Posted - 2012.11.29 22:35:00 - [12] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: You know, indiscriminate razing of entire cities -after- you have gotten what you want is not a good way to encourage cooperation. Positive reinforcement works best, really. Besides, wasn't it capsuleers and other space-faring vessels who got in your way? Or did the populace of Rilnais rise up in one voice and say "No." to the snakes? Unless it was the people of Rilnais that resisted your demands and fought back, burning them to the ground won't serve as a very good warning. Planetside city dwellers have no political clout or actual leverage on the activities of capsuleers, so terrorizing them won't stop bands of marauding capsuleers from interfering with you next time. In fact, quite the opposite. Most capsuleers won't care, or will only see it as more reason to try and stop you before you have a chance to do so again. Simply put, razing the city was a poor strategic choice. You terrorized the wrong people, and only give more reason to your enemies and rivals to respond more swiftly and with even greater force next time. If you want to put a violent stop to someone who bothers you, don't punch a nearby wall in frivolous rage... give that person a black eye instead. No, it was a perfect strategic choice, showing all planetary governors in the federation, and beyond, to work with us in the futre. It was after all, not an unfair opportunity Commander Vylier offered to the leaders of Rilnais. Hopefully this will show that the Serpentis is not to be laughed at, not to be turned away. I am rather sure that public leaders throughout the federation will put pressure on their leaders, who will then apply pressure on their leaders and so forth. Ending with leaders that have actual planetary power. Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer
Milo Caman Anshar Incorporated 71	Posted - 2012.11.29 22:45:00 - [13] - Quote Launette Vylier wrote: We have the professionalism, skill and ability of Coreli Corporation and Anshar Incorporated personnel to thanks for this. As a support squad to our orbital strike fleet and our dirtside operations, your performance was outstanding. I'd like to point out that at no point were ANSH forces led to believe that bombardment of civilian targets was on the agenda. We were hired as auxiliary forces by SPC affiliates, and we did what we were paid to do. Nothing more.
Seriphyn Inhonores Soltueur Company 221	Posted - 2012.11.29 22:56:00 - [14] - Quote Milo Caman wrote: We were hired as auxiliary forces by SPC affiliates, and we did what we were paid to do. Nothing more. Absolvement of moral responsibility through "I just did my job". I'll let other people decide whether to permit that.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 874	Posted - 2012.11.29 23:10:00 - [15] - Quote Milo Caman wrote: ... we did what we were paid to do. You seem to have some blood splatters on your money there.
Grant Smith Snuff Box 1	Posted - 2012.11.29 23:15:00 - [16] - Quote Milo Caman wrote: Launette Vylier wrote: We have the professionalism, skill and ability of Coreli Corporation and Anshar Incorporated personnel to thanks for this. As a support squad to our orbital strike fleet and our dirtside operations, your performance was outstanding. I'd like to make it known that at no point were ANSH forces led to believe that bombardment of civilian targets was on the agenda. We were hired as auxiliary forces by SPC affiliates, and we did what we were paid to do. Nothing more. I don't know quite why they hired. Recent news feeds and battle reports found appearing accross the interstellar spacewebz, would show some interesting statistics on the outcome of the slaughter, one source, http://kb.snuffboxcorp.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=43784 , suggests soverignty reigned to the much smaller agressors, and the order of initiating self destruct of all Serpentis/Corelli vessels communicated through local channels suggests an admition of defeat. Regardless, your reasons for being in that system are still of little interest, the adrenaline is what we came for.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 1196	Posted - 2012.11.29 23:23:00 - [17] - Quote Milo Caman wrote: I'd like to make it known that at no point were ANSH forces led to believe that bombardment of civilian targets was on the agenda. We were hired as auxiliary forces by SPC affiliates, and we did what we were paid to do. Nothing more. Was it a nasty surprise to learn that you can't work for the Serpentis Corporation and retain the moral high-ground? Welcome to the real world, Milo. We've been waiting for you. Mane 614
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 115	Posted - 2012.11.29 23:54:00 - [18] - Quote The Serpentis Corp glasses an entire city and the only one to comment on it is a Sansha loyalist trying to turn it into propaganda? Where are some reputable sources who can explain exactly what happened?
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 876	Posted - 2012.11.29 23:59:00 - [19] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: The Serpentis Corp glasses an entire city and the only one to comment on it is a Sansha loyalist trying to turn it into propaganda? Where are some reputable sources who can explain exactly what happened? To be fair, a pilot from Coreli Corporation confirmed the accusations. It may not be reputable, but it's a step in the right direction towards legitimate news.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 697	Posted - 2012.11.30 01:56:00 - [20] - Quote True Slave Foundations spent several hours rescuing survivors of the battle in space. Our access to the planet is limited, but we hope that the planetary governors will be able to handle themselves. Survivors of ships which were fighting the Serpentis will be released once our medical teams are finished with them, assuming the survivors wish to return, and their respective commanders and countrymen will be willing to take them. We also rescued the survivors the Serpentis carriers. Survivors of ships known to be affiliated with the Serpentis, or capsuleers known to be on their side, will not be returned. They will be processed immediately, treated for their injuries, and then brought to stain as Prisoners of War, and will be converted into True Slaves.
Vlad Cetes Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension 6	Posted - 2012.11.30 02:18:00 - [21] - Quote Boo hoo, civilians died. Try worrying about something important for a change.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 878	Posted - 2012.11.30 02:20:00 - [22] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: True Slave Foundations spent several hours rescuing survivors of the battle in space. Our access to the planet is limited, but we hope that the planetary governors will be able to handle themselves. Survivors of ships which were fighting the Serpentis will be released once our medical teams are finished with them, assuming the survivors wish to return, and their respective commanders and countrymen will be willing to take them. We also rescued the survivors the Serpentis carriers. Survivors of ships known to be affiliated with the Serpentis, or capsuleers known to be on their side, will not be returned. They will be processed immediately, treated for their injuries, and then brought to stain as Prisoners of War, and will be converted into True Slaves. Forgive me for being out of the loop, but since when has TSF and Nation taken such a hardline stance against Serpentis? I was under the impression you were far more interested in returning the gruesome favor paid to you by the Big Four.
Deterro Atlantean Defense Fleet 9	Posted - 2012.11.30 03:04:00 - [23] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: This is not capitalizing on a tragedy Tiberious, if a call for Empire faction members to break off and align themselves with parties such as those of pirates or, in your terms, an 'emergent empire' is not capitalising on the tragic deaths of these people, then what is? We all know where your sympathy (or loyalty, even) lies, and that is no other than the 'emergent empire' of Mr Kuvakei, a deluded maniac who has committed far worse atrocities against humanity. And now you call for our alignment with his faction under the pretence of dissatisfaction with the Empires? Even though I'm very much dissatisfied with the status quo pertaining to the Caldari, Amarr, Gallente and Minmatar governments and corporations, I'm convinced that remaining (loosely) under their banner, in the form of combating Sansha's incursions against Empire space is a far better solution that mitigates an extremely greater degree of harm done to humanity as a whole compared to aligning with Kuvakei. Hypocrite.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 697	Posted - 2012.11.30 03:30:00 - [24] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: True Slave Foundations spent several hours rescuing survivors of the battle in space. Our access to the planet is limited, but we hope that the planetary governors will be able to handle themselves. Survivors of ships which were fighting the Serpentis will be released once our medical teams are finished with them, assuming the survivors wish to return, and their respective commanders and countrymen will be willing to take them. We also rescued the survivors the Serpentis carriers. Survivors of ships known to be affiliated with the Serpentis, or capsuleers known to be on their side, will not be returned. They will be processed immediately, treated for their injuries, and then brought to stain as Prisoners of War, and will be converted into True Slaves. Forgive me for being out of the loop, but since when has TSF and Nation taken such a hardline stance against Serpentis? I was under the impression you were far more interested in returning the gruesome favor paid to you by the Big Four. In general, the Serpentis are bootlickers for the Angel Cartel. This makes them enemies of the Nation. We are in Placid to combat the Serpentis here, as well as the militias.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 697	Posted - 2012.11.30 03:31:00 - [25] - Quote Deterro wrote: Hypocrite. Please explain?
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 801	Posted - 2012.11.30 10:25:00 - [26] - Quote Because it's Placid
Seriphyn Inhonores Soltueur Company 221	Posted - 2012.11.30 10:37:00 - [27] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: They will be processed immediately, treated for their injuries, and then brought to stain as Prisoners of War, and will be converted into True Slaves. That's not how you treat POWs. Those are enemies of Evaulon and the Federation, thus should be tried and imprisoned here. Too late now, at any rate. It seems their fates are sealed.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 697	Posted - 2012.11.30 11:37:00 - [28] - Quote Seriphyn Inhonores wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: They will be processed immediately, treated for their injuries, and then brought to stain as Prisoners of War, and will be converted into True Slaves. That's not how you treat POWs. Those are enemies of Evaulon and the Federation, thus should be tried and imprisoned here. Too late now, at any rate. It seems their fates are sealed. They are also enemies of the Foundations and of Nation, and as we are the ones who have them...
Desiderya Wiyrkomi Honor Guard 102	Posted - 2012.11.30 12:32:00 - [29] - Quote Wait, so these didn't ask you to come and rescue them in the first place?
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 698	Posted - 2012.11.30 12:38:00 - [30] - Quote Desiderya wrote: Wait, so these didn't ask you to come and rescue them in the first place? No? We did happen to be in the area fighting the Serpentis, however, and once the battle was done and the shiniest of the loots were taken off the wrecks, and hence most of the motivation for capsuleers to stick around, we spent hours combing through all of the wrecks and rescuing survivors and reclaiming usable biomass. As I said before, of those who were parts of crews fighting against the Serpentis, they will be returned if that is their wish. The Serpentis crews will not have that choice, and we will bring them into us for a number of reasons. 1) Intelligence on Serpentis movements within the area so that we can better combat them 2) Information relating the location of Akai Juugatsu. Amongst others which would fall under the auspices of operational security. I will strive to get as much information out to the wider Placid and Capsuleer communities as is considered prudent by my leadership and the will of the foundations as I can.

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