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Farsight Incursion Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.05 02:42:00 - [1] - Quote So im about to step into a BS in a week or 2 and Will plan on running L4's Solo. Currently trained in pure Amarr so will be running Amarr ships only. Not sure what to go with for PVE stuck between a APOC and a ABAD. would it be smarter to go with a Apoc because its cheaper? or spend the extra cost for more HP? And last for those who say I should go ABAD would your opinion change if I were to get a APOC and then get the Navy version once I have the LP? also any fittings would be greatly appreciated!
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2011.10.05 02:59:00 - [2] - Quote Farsight Incursion wrote: So im about to step into a BS in a week or 2 and Will plan on running L4's Solo. Currently trained in pure Amarr so will be running Amarr ships only. Not sure what to go with for PVE stuck between a APOC and a ABAD. would it be smarter to go with a Apoc because its cheaper? or spend the extra cost for more HP? And last for those who say I should go ABAD would your opinion change if I were to get a APOC and then get the Navy version once I have the LP? also any fittings would be greatly appreciated! Start with geddon instead. It's more noob friendly, plus has the winner 8 low slot layout.
Farsight Incursion Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.05 03:08:00 - [3] - Quote Was originally going to do that but then a few people talked me out of it saying it would be a waste of Isk? I will be staying in L3's for a bit to make sure I can understand my ship a bit before taking it into L4's
Amonestos Aspire Academy New Dawn Brotherhood 3	Posted - 2011.10.05 04:02:00 - [4] - Quote I started in a Geddon with pretty low skills (3 or 4 million skillpoints) and could do level 4s, but lost 1 or two of the ships. The missions took awhile too. It's not such a forgiving ship with low skills compared to the APOC in my opinion... especially when it comes to cap, and the range requires you to run an AB/MWD to be able to pummel everything. My suggestion would be an APOC. The difference between the two for PVE is pretty noticeable, to me at least. Use beams until you can fit t2 pulses + scorch and get Battleship to at least 4 ASAP. T2 tank it with mission specific hardeners and use a noctis to salvage. Abaddons are great as well, but in my opinion, just more expensive for what an APOC can easily do. I don't have any troubles in my APOC, if it isn't broke, don't fix it? :) Once you pump out a ton of missions/isk you can upgrade to an Abaddon, or better yet, a Navy Apoc or a Nightmare/Paladin. Ideally I would suggest ... Apoc, upgrade to Navy Apoc using LPs and skilling up to 4s/5s in relevant skills and T2 everything, upgrade to Nightmare/Paladin (if you want)
Digital Messiah N7 Corporation 32	Posted - 2011.10.05 05:07:00 - [5] - Quote What that guy said. Abaddon is best when you have better skills. Apoc is more noob friendly for sure. Also, do not worry to much about being cap stable. Just make sure your tank is cap stable. After that pulse your weapons or you can pulse your tank instead. Another option is to use cap boosters... lol but that can get risky fast. The above fit is actually what I would recommend as well. Happy hunting. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Farsight Incursion Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.05 05:44:00 - [6] - Quote Ahh some great advice, much appreciated!! Now the problem if I can stand a ship that looks like a Giant space Dildo (Apoc)
Mavnas The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.05 06:03:00 - [7] - Quote Using LPs to buy a ship is a terrible, terrible idea unless you really don't want to bother converting them to loads of ISK and then just buying the ship outright. I don't play my Amarr alt that much these days. The big Amarr ships just never seemed to be as fun as I thought they would be, though to be fair, I didn't quite have the skills for a lot of them. (I did run a few L4s in a Slicer for the lulz. They took a long time, but it was more fun.) This is the fit I used: [Apocalypse, Mine] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Large Armor Repairer II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25 F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Ancillary Current Router I Hobgoblin I x5 I'm not sure I'd recommend it, but it was good for warping in and staying still while killing stuff as it comes in. With Multifrequency range is 59+41 (comps in range mode, switch to tracking once stuff is within 40km) Max targeting range is 135km with perfect skills and SeBo set to range. Normally I keep it set to help me target faster. Biggest problem I have is it eats Cap Booster 800 charges like hotcakes and still lacks a decent tank. It mainly shines in missions where enemies spawn at like 70km and die before they really become an issue. (which describes a lot of the L4s I got) It sucks when things spawn in close or you have to move far to get to an acceleration gate. (Oh, my exploration alt is also in a Legion, and will probably never fly any larger Amarrian ship.)
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 144	Posted - 2011.10.05 06:06:00 - [8] - Quote +1 to the advice here. An Apoc is great with its range and cap uage bonus. I would also add; hold off on buying an Abaddon until you have your cap recharge skill and cap capacity skills both at 5, as well as the controlled bursts to 5 too. In regards to EFT's cap stability percentage numbers, it may be important to keep cap stability in the green by cycling your weapons manually rather than all of them firing as 1 group of 8. [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img]
Amonestos Aspire Academy New Dawn Brotherhood 5	Posted - 2011.10.05 08:12:00 - [9] - Quote Mavnas is right, buying a ship outright using LP isn't the best reward for your LP isk wise but it's a lazy man's way out :) The alternative is play the market with LP items and sell them and make much more isk with 600k LP than you would need to buy a Navypoc for ~400 mil or whatever they are now :) Whatever's clever, probably by the time you're close to either (being able to afford a Navypoc in isk or LP) you'll have a much better understand of exactly what and how you want to fly it anyway!
Kanalkrank Thunder Mercenary Army 0	Posted - 2011.10.05 10:50:00 - [10] - Quote I thinki that pulse much better than beam. Enough rank with more tracking speed and less cap need

Vernice Cicali Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension 1	Posted - 2011.10.05 11:22:00 - [11] - Quote Kanalkrank wrote: I thinki that pulse much better than beam. Enough rank with more tracking speed and less cap need If you can use t2 pulse lasers I would agree right away, but without scorch the dps might be too low with pulses. I would just advice to try with both, if your skills are good enough (or the npc's orbit close enough) use pulses, else use beams until you can use t2 pulses.
Mavnas The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.05 15:47:00 - [12] - Quote Kanalkrank wrote: I thinki that pulse much better than beam. Enough rank with more tracking speed and less cap need Pulse without Scorch just doesn't have the kind of range you need for L4 missions, especially on a battleship that crawls along even under the best circumstances.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 28	Posted - 2011.10.05 17:01:00 - [13] - Quote There's generally good advice here already, but I'll throw in for the Apoc over an Abaddon for starting out. I most certainly would not go for an Armageddon, which requires sentry/heavy drones to be effective over the other options -- and even then it still runs into similar cap problems to the Abaddon. Frankly, I'm a little put off the Abaddon in general. It's a great ship, don't get me wrong. But by the time you can fly one effectively, you are so close to either a Paladin or a Nightmare that it never gets a chance to shine (unless you have massive skills and low isk). It's a cap hog and isn't all that lenient on fittings. One thing I'd invest in early on for any Amarr BS is an IN LAR. The shorter cycle time really helps dealing with burst damage and can help you get the extra edge you might need to keep from warping out. On the Apoc, I could see an argument for using T1 pulses, but that's the only ship I'd try it on -- and for most purposes I wouldn't do it there either. Pulses without Scorch don't have the range you really need for many Sansha/BR missions. Pulses also suffer much more than beams under tracking disruption which, from NPCs, only screws with optimal and not falloff -- and pulses just don't have any falloff to make up for the loss of optimal. Beams do. Also, about that suggestion of a DLA in the last high on the Apoc -- I wouldn't. The Apoc can and should fit 8 guns. Considering the lengths we all go to to get 5% more damage, losing 12.5% right off the top seems silly. Training up EWAR Drone Interfacing and getting ~57km drone control range should be plenty. The little guys are mostly there for frigates and close orbiting cruisers anyhow.
Bormegil Rei Incorporated 1	Posted - 2011.10.05 17:12:00 - [14] - Quote Amonestos wrote: Here's my APOC, it's cheap and does every level 4 easily and pretty quick. [Apocalypse, Grim Finger] (Cap Stable at 50%) High Slots Mega Modulated Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Energy Beam I Mega Modulated Energy Beam I (Imperial Navy Ultraviolets and Multifrequency through LP store) Drone Link Augmentor I (A lot of people don't use the DLA, but I love it since I hit out past 80k and don't have to wait 30k to close in for my drones to also engage) Mid Slots Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Orion Tracking CPU I (Range/Speed) Low Slots Large Armor Repair II Mission Primary Hardener II Mission Primary Hardener II Mission Secondary Hardener II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II (If you need extra tank in a mission... swap out a HS for another hardener of your chosen damage type, based on the mission, or a DCUII) Rigs CCCx3 Drones Mission Specific if you want, but 5x Hobs with 5x Hammers are cool enough usually I would highly urge -not- wasting a turret slot on a drone link. I'd rather the 52 extra DPS (my crap skills) than spending that much extra time watching my hammerheads slowboat toward their objective. No matter what way I look at it you're losing out by killing a turret. And for new, low-skilled mission runners, I'd recommend a dual rep tank. Especially when you're still figuring out the triggers and aggro; in most instances one just does not cut it. It'll take more cap mods to get it to fit, but it is quite possible to keep stable. And it's much, much safer. (I'll admit, I barely made it out on several occasions while still learning, and had it not been for two overheated armour reps, I'd definitely have died a few times.)
Amonestos Aspire Academy New Dawn Brotherhood 6	Posted - 2011.10.05 17:39:00 - [15] - Quote For the record I don't use a drone link augmentor anymore, but for a low skillpoint setup, you may have trouble fitting all 8 guns with a t2 repper on there, and I doubt you have the 200 mil lying around for a imperial navy repairer. Even then, that only saves you 300 powergrid, hardly the almost 3000 you need for another gun. If you can fit 8 guns, do it, if not, drone link augmentor is a good last slot alternative til your skills get higher. Remember, each repper is at least 2000 pg, and each gun is roughly 3500. That get's chewed up REAL quick. He definitely cannot fit 8 guns with 2 reppers. Not without pg implants and advanced weapons upgrades 4-5. You have to remember, he's just getting into a battleship, so the fits you use probably won't be applicable for him right away :)
Bormegil Rei Incorporated 1	Posted - 2011.10.05 17:58:00 - [16] - Quote Amonestos wrote: For the record I don't use a drone link augmentor anymore, but for a low skillpoint setup, you may have trouble fitting all 8 guns with a t2 repper on there, and I doubt you have the 200 mil lying around for a imperial navy repairer. Even then, that only saves you 300 powergrid, hardly the almost 3000 you need for another gun. If you can fit 8 guns, do it, if not, drone link augmentor is a good last slot alternative til your skills get higher. Remember, each repper is at least 2000 pg, and each gun is roughly 3500. That get's chewed up REAL quick. He definitely cannot fit 8 guns with 2 reppers. Not without pg implants and advanced weapons upgrades 4-5. You have to remember, he's just getting into a battleship, so the fits you use probably won't be applicable for him right away :) Actually, they are quite applicable. Chances are his skills are better than mine. I just started using battleships and running level 4s less than a week ago. Granted, I'm using a Navy issue Apocalypse which allows an extra low slot to fix cap issues. But I don't yet even have the advanced weapon upgrades skill. Just takes a little ingenuity and a cheap (+3%) power implant. I'm cap stable, two reppers, and as many hardeners as I feel necessary for the mission at hand. And who said anything about t2 reppers? I couldn't even use those when I started. The accommodation reppers are nearly as good, and suck up less powergrid. Anyway, check and doublecheck your fit, whatever you end up going with. Sometimes it's better to fit 8x non-mega lasers than 7x megas. It certainly was in my own case, before I figured out how to get the bigger guns to fit.
Verity Sovereign Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2011.10.05 18:32:00 - [17] - Quote My first BS was an Armageddon. I used the meta 4 of the smallest "large" energy turrets: Dual Modulated Heavy Energy Beam I 7 of those - they give the best DPS per unit cap consumed (except for faction stuff) 1 Drone link or heavy Nos 3 CCC rigs At least 2 cap recharger II s 4 mission specific hardeners DC II 1-2 large armor reppers The rest were heat sinks Plus a full drone bay of course (5 lights, 5 mediums, 2 heavies) - lights and mediums needed for the smaller ships. It didn't have the fastest completion times, but it was sufficient none the less.
Aesiron Deep Excavation Army of Dark Shadows 0	Posted - 2011.10.05 18:45:00 - [18] - Quote Farsight Incursion wrote: So im about to step into a BS in a week or 2 and Will plan on running L4's Solo. Currently trained in pure Amarr so will be running Amarr ships only. Not sure what to go with for PVE stuck between a APOC and a ABAD. would it be smarter to go with a Apoc because its cheaper? or spend the extra cost for more HP? And last for those who say I should go ABAD would your opinion change if I were to get a APOC and then get the Navy version once I have the LP? also any fittings would be greatly appreciated! - I would highly recommend the Apocalypse. It is not the cheapest but it is definitely the most noob-friendly. It has good capacitor and it has range. In some cases you may be able to avoid heavy damage by firing from 60km+ with the Apocalypse and that can often help. The Apocalypse has a decent drone bay and is a good-enough tank. 8x Mega Pulse Laser II 3x Cap Recharger II 1x Tracking Computer II 3x Heat Sink II 3x Mission Specific Hardener II 1x Large Armor Repairer 2x Large CCC 1x Large Auxiliary Nano Pump 5x Hobgoblin II 5x Hammerhead II This is my current fit and it does great. Another thing I recommend is fitting a tech 2 drake for level 4s. In cases where tanking is more needed and when you need to deal Kinetic damage. Switch to the drake.
Bormegil Rei Incorporated 1	Posted - 2011.10.05 19:10:00 - [19] - Quote Aesiron wrote: Another thing I recommend is fitting a tech 2 drake for level 4s. In cases where tanking is more needed and when you need to deal Kinetic damage. Switch to the drake. Yeah. Good luck taking out something like Angel battleships with an Apocalypse. Best way to ensure you actually hit them is by selecting your target, looking at it and lining your view up so you're looking dead on at the ship's engines from behind. Double click (or triple or quadruple click to make up for the generally unresponsive nature of commands in EVE) just below the target ship; end result is that your own ship should align at full speed in more or less the same direction as the target is headed. It'll make it actually possible to hit the ships, as -- if you just let them orbit at 7km as they seem to like doing -- your lasers are barely even going to break their tank. You'll do crap damage either way, but crap damage is better than no damage. If they start orbiting, you'll have to keep clicking and manually piloting to match their orbit.
Mavnas The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.05 22:01:00 - [20] - Quote Bormegil wrote: Aesiron wrote: Another thing I recommend is fitting a tech 2 drake for level 4s. In cases where tanking is more needed and when you need to deal Kinetic damage. Switch to the drake. Yeah. Good luck taking out something like Angel battleships with an Apocalypse. Best way to ensure you actually hit them is by selecting your target, looking at it and lining your view up so you're looking dead on at the ship's engines from behind. Double click (or triple or quadruple click to make up for the generally unresponsive nature of commands in EVE) just below the target ship; end result is that your own ship should align at full speed in more or less the same direction as the target is headed. It'll make it actually possible to hit the ships, as -- if you just let them orbit at 7km as they seem to like doing -- your lasers are barely even going to break their tank. You'll do crap damage either way, but crap damage is better than no damage. If they start orbiting, you'll have to keep clicking and manually piloting to match their orbit. If you run into any Angel Battleships in your Apoc... you're doing it wrong.

Herping yourDerp Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2011.10.07 02:16:00 - [21] - Quote apoc 8 meta 4 or t2 pulse lasers 4 cap recharger 2s for the lows use 3 armor hardeners mission specific, 2 large armor reps and the rest heat sink IIs rigs all cap recharge rigs cap stable 2 armor reps mean u will be able to tank lots apoc gets range bonus on pulses, which already have decent tracking. do missions in amarr space for sansha missions which are usually easy to tank and dps down. read missions reports, always
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 85	Posted - 2011.10.07 08:58:00 - [22] - Quote Farsight Incursion wrote: So im about to step into a BS in a week or 2 and Will plan on running L4's Solo. Currently trained in pure Amarr so will be running Amarr ships only. Not sure what to go with for PVE stuck between a APOC and a ABAD. would it be smarter to go with a Apoc because its cheaper? or spend the extra cost for more HP? And last for those who say I should go ABAD would your opinion change if I were to get a APOC and then get the Navy version once I have the LP? also any fittings would be greatly appreciated! First of all congrats on sticking to the true amarr way My advice is go for a apoc first why? a apoc is way more new player friendly than the abaddon and a mistake many people made and i made myself aswell when i started this character is that amarr ships are very skill intensive, meaning you need almost all your engineering skills mechanical skills and your relevant gunnery skills to lvl 5 or atleast lvl 4 for some , so go for the apoc fist it is ship that go easy on the new battleship pilots and later when your skills get better get into the abaddon and become the terror and nightmare of every sansha and bloodraider around there been some good fitting posted above my post so i am not going to repeat that one more advice try a few lvl 4missions with a friend or a corp mate first to get a feel for them they are a big step forward compared to lvl3 missions and read the eve survival guide before every mission I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
KFenn Percussive Diplomacy 15	Posted - 2011.10.07 09:28:00 - [23] - Quote Vernice Cicali wrote: Kanalkrank wrote: I thinki that pulse much better than beam. Enough rank with more tracking speed and less cap need If you can use t2 pulse lasers I would agree right away, but without scorch the dps might be too low with pulses. I would just advice to try with both, if your skills are good enough (or the npc's orbit close enough) use pulses, else use beams until you can use t2 pulses. Without Scorch, the DPS might be to low huh? You know that Multifreq gets more DPS than Scorch, right? The advantage of Scorch is range, not DPS. Secondly, pulses do more DPS than beams, but beams have more range. Nothing about this post makes sense. Lrn2Amarr. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director
Mavnas The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.07 20:22:00 - [24] - Quote KFenn wrote: Vernice Cicali wrote: Kanalkrank wrote: I thinki that pulse much better than beam. Enough rank with more tracking speed and less cap need If you can use t2 pulse lasers I would agree right away, but without scorch the dps might be too low with pulses. I would just advice to try with both, if your skills are good enough (or the npc's orbit close enough) use pulses, else use beams until you can use t2 pulses. Without Scorch, the DPS might be to low huh? You know that Multifreq gets more DPS than Scorch, right? The advantage of Scorch is range, not DPS. Secondly, pulses do more DPS than beams, but beams have more range. Nothing about this post makes sense. Lrn2Amarr. Pulse + INMF ammo DPS is about 0 at relevant ranges Total DPS in the mission is affected by the time you spend casually drifting into range of things, which is not negligible in a BS. It's not like you're in a Slicer flying towards things at 1200-1300 M/s. Tachyons are very comparable to Pulses damage-wise because there's just no equivalent tier of pulse lasers.
Vorpheus Three Sword Inc 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 11:06:00 - [25] - Quote my pre-t2-abaddon: 8 meta4 pulse laser 4 cap recharger 1 large armor repairer 3 hardeners 2-3 heatsinks 0-1 tracking enhancer 3 CCC rigs and cc4+cr4 implants for more cap stability... for big missions, like Sansha Recon Level 4 Part 1, which i dont blitz, i use this tank: 2 large armor repairer 4 hardeners 1 capacitor power relay can tank above 1000 dps with it... when using t2 pulse lasers, i changed one T1 CCC to T2 CCC and all cap modifiing skills to 5... its big its slow its not hitting hard but it is going and going and going and going i hate warping out... stability is superior... wouldnt use beam lasers unless you can dictate the range... veeery bad tracking speed... never use that against angels, you cant hit them when their BS are orbiting you at 5km...
Aesiron Squadron 1 2	Posted - 2011.10.24 11:15:00 - [26] - Quote Farsight Incursion wrote: So im about to step into a BS in a week or 2 and Will plan on running L4's Solo. Currently trained in pure Amarr so will be running Amarr ships only. Not sure what to go with for PVE stuck between a APOC and a ABAD. would it be smarter to go with a Apoc because its cheaper? or spend the extra cost for more HP? And last for those who say I should go ABAD would your opinion change if I were to get a APOC and then get the Navy version once I have the LP? also any fittings would be greatly appreciated! Aim for an Apocalypse at first as it is considerabley cheaper than an Abaddon and it is a good starter ship. The Apocalypse has good capacitor and a range bonus which will allow you to pop your enemies before they get to you considering that your skills are good. But do try to move onto an Abaddon if possible, it has superior damage and tanking capabilities. [Apocalypse - Level 4s] 8x Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam (move to T2 as soon as possible) 3x Cap Recharger II 1x Tracking Computer II (complimentary, if your skills aren't good then use a 4th recharger) 3x Mission Specific Hardener II 3x Heat Sink II 1x Large Armor Repairer II 2x Capacitor Control Circuit 1x Auxiliary Nano Pump 5x Hobgoblin II 5x Hammerhead II


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