a gate camp somewhere in lowsec:
- gate was activted!
- i got point!
- let him go guys, it's just a blockade runner with nothing inside....
- oh, ok then.

sounds legit.

OK...

But when does a low sec gate camp let anyone go? A blockade runner can be insta popped if tackled.

In my experience being blue to the camp and having an empty cargo does not even guarantee you get through.

But then again getting tackled in a blockade runner is embarrassing enough.

Blockade runners for any meaningful low-sec PI are useless. Much easier to be done with a scout + hauler dual logged

Blockade runners for any meaningful low-sec PI are useless. Much easier to be done with a scout + hauler dual logged.

"Blockade Runners are being updated to be immune to cargo scanners, and as such will always show up as empty on scans."

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73995

Blockade runners for any meaningful low-sec PI are useless. Much easier to be done with a scout + hauler dual logged.

I'm pretty sure anyone doing a lowsec gate camp is going to shoot you before wasting time to scan your blockade runner. If they get that 1 second chance to target you they will scram/web you before thinking about scanning you.

I'd use a basic indy ship for lowsec PI before a blockade runner. 1/10th the cost and doesn't require 4 trips per week to haul out 20 - 50m isk worth of PI.

And it'll be caught a hell of a lot easier. I detect stealth PvP-Only Player here. Smells bad.

Based on my forum history it's pretty obvious my focus is not PVP.

Sure, if you're just doing PI for a bit of extra isk and not really taking it very serious then yeah a blockade runner might work for you.

But if you are feeding factory planets you are looking at between 9860m3 and 15,000m3 per day, per factory. 5 factories thats upwards of 75,000m3 worth of PI to move around, per day.

And even with non-factory planets collecting from 5 planets for my alts at leaste average around 20,000m3 - 35,000m3 every 5 days. And I would rather use a 5M isk ship to make 1 haul of 30M isk worth of material then a 150M isk ship to do 2 - 3 hauls.

And even if you're just moving out P4 materials from factory planets you can barely fit 1 days worth of p4 materials from 5 factory planets just doing 1 high-tech factory. I guess I personally would rather not have to do several trips daily in a blockade runner and instead use cheap ships, common sense and a scout.

I think that was his point.

Unscannable Blockade runners is about the worst idea ever IMO

Yeah...now that they can't be scanned they will attempt to pop them all with new techniques, just on the chance they are valuable (mine will only drop PI junk).

At least the Orca was a challenge to pop.

Edit: esp. with the intoduction of Tier 3 BCs, the T2 transports are just about the worst defensible ships ingame.

Using a blockade runner, for any setup that has more than 4 planets with ccu3+ will require daily trips to and out of low sec which changes the time needed to update the pi from 2-4h to 30h+ which makes low sec pi a waste of time. However, if you are just 'dabbling' and don't make a lot of stuff there, then it is plausible.

You can spend the same 30h inside high-sec with a factory planet close to a hub and make the same or if not more isk in the same time with almost 0 risk.

It's entire defense is designed around agility and stealth. If you fail at cloaking, you fail at life. I welcome our new AFK-BR Ganking overlords!

Say WWWHHHAATTTT?


I have 4 toons with 5 planets each in Low Sec and 2 Factory Planets in High. Takes a total of 2 hours (every other day) to complete it all.

What are you doing wrong ? 30 hours ????????? (AND the output is dramatically higher than High Sec PI).

So, lets do some math, shall we?

2 hours every other day means... 15 days spent hauling per month and each time, you spend 2 hours. So...

2 * 15 = 30 hours spent every month on PI. Sounds more like a second job to me than "fun" for possibly 1b of profit.

Comes to 1 hour per day by anyone's math. If that's too much your expectations are idiotic.

Besides, that Billion ISK of PI gets slapped together with Ice Products for fuel blocks so the actual income for that one hour per day is more like 3 Bill per month.

And I'm not even including what I get from Ore mining.

Sigh.

You do know that you are just repeating what i have been saying for the last few posts right?

As for the "3bil profits" via fuel blocks then you need to check your maths again. PI products makes up 50% of the materials and ice another 50%. Even if you mined all the ice yourself and assuming one of the really good markups for fuel. At most, you would be making 2.3bil and even then, you are just making a 300mil profit compared to selling the ice and pi yourself.

It is a good idea to utilize your PI products, but claiming that just because you extract and make them yourself, you get them for "Free". With a single character utilizing his planets for factory setups in high-sec, you can get the same p2/3 made and still make the 2.3b for the same effort.


In the end... however it's everyones choice what they want to do. If you want to spend 30h+ every month hauling out from low sec in a blockade runner. It's your choice and if it works for you, it works well.