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Gunship
FATAL Warfare
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Posted - 2012.12.01 02:18:00 -
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Just wondering? Come join us for Amarr FW pvp-áaction. More info here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145548&#post2145548
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
528
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Posted - 2012.12.01 02:21:00 -
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Since there was absolutely no changes to level 4 FW missions? I'll let you decide.
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Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.12.01 02:23:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Since there was absolutely no changes to level 4 FW missions? I'll let you decide.
Holy cow that's some deep stuff. Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Industrial - Open for Recruiting http://armapurgatorium.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/arpur_recruit1.png
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Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare
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Posted - 2012.12.01 03:23:00 -
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why would we do less l4 in bombers gunny? if anything this patch is a boost. i now get a 25% reduction in my torp radius from GMP SKILL now working with torps. come join me next time. ill show you the way of 100-150m an hr profits! |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2012.12.01 08:41:00 -
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Considering that you needed to be uncloaked to complete the mission, this patch will have no effect on cloaked bombers. |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.12.03 02:40:00 -
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Just curious, but how does a cloaked bombr run a mission? We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.12.03 03:32:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:Just curious, but how does a cloaked bombr run a mission?
By uncloaking. Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Industrial - Open for Recruiting http://armapurgatorium.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/arpur_recruit1.png
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Wolvun
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.12.03 03:49:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:Just curious, but how does a cloaked bombr run a mission?
By orbiting like a F1 car and shooting like a tank. |
Gunship
FATAL Warfare
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Posted - 2012.12.03 09:47:00 -
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its sort of my point, the idea behind the lvl4 missions was not really to be done by a ship that easily can go deep into hostile territory, since it so easily can go through camped gates. From a game mechanics point of view the bomber takes away the risk of traveling and since its a small ship warping out from inside a plex (or simply cloaking) is just too easy.
Just compare the bomber with any other ship that can single a lvl 4 mission. Come join us for Amarr FW pvp-áaction. More info here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145548&#post2145548
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Wolvun
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.12.03 09:56:00 -
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Gunship wrote:its sort of my point, the idea behind the lvl4 missions was not really to be done by a ship that easily can go deep into hostile territory, since it so easily can go through camped gates. From a game mechanics point of view the bomber takes away the risk of traveling and since its a small ship warping out from inside a plex (or simply cloaking) is just too easy.
Just compare the bomber with any other ship that can single a lvl 4 mission.
Stop sitting on that gate and expecting other people to change their gameplay to make your sitting in the one spot more fun. |
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Opera Noir
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.12.03 10:29:00 -
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Gunship wrote:its sort of my point, the idea behind the lvl4 missions was not really to be done by a ship that easily can go deep into hostile territory, since it so easily can go through camped gates. From a game mechanics point of view the bomber takes away the risk of traveling and since its a small ship warping out from inside a plex (or simply cloaking) is just too easy.
Just compare the bomber with any other ship that can single a lvl 4 mission. Bombers can also solo rat in Null-sec, so what? |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2012.12.03 10:42:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:Just curious, but how does a cloaked bombr run a mission?
FW missions are all:
1. destory the structure X 2. destroy the industial ships 3. kill the commander (BC/BS size)
So SB suite well for this. And can stay in long range and outspeed most of the damage and NPC frigates. Also is perfect for traveling in deep hostile territory and in case can move cloacked inside the plex till in good range.
And, yes, then have to uncloack :)
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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2012.12.03 10:55:00 -
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Gunship wrote:its sort of my point, the idea behind the lvl4 missions was not really to be done by a ship that easily can go deep into hostile territory, since it so easily can go through camped gates. From a game mechanics point of view the bomber takes away the risk of traveling and since its a small ship warping out from inside a plex (or simply cloaking) is just too easy.
Just compare the bomber with any other ship that can single a lvl 4 mission.
The only chance is to to wait in the system and as soon as a mission beacon show to wrp to it and trying to catch the SB on the warp-in.
Then it becomes impossible. If you manage to move away and eventually be on the opposite side of the warp-in, so even if anyone enter the SB will be at 100-150 km
Or maybe trying toenter unseen with another cloacky ship. I fitted an experimental buzzard for this but then I got bored to wait for misison runenrs so not sure if it works fine :)
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Matthias Vilmet
Parallax Shift The Periphery
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:01:00 -
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There is a ton of time/skill investment that goes into flying stealth bombers and it's a specific niche. Also, they really have no way to fight back against frigates and relatively easy to kill.
All I here is a whiny, psychopath that wants mission fit ships to fly across his pvp fit nose so that things are nice and easy. The damned missions already show up for all to see. Why don't you create a cloaky tackle and go fishing. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:38:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Substantia Nigra wrote:Just curious, but how does a cloaked bombr run a mission? FW missions are all: 1. destory the structure X 2. destroy the industial ships 3. kill the commander (BC/BS size) So SB suite well for this. And can stay in long range and outspeed most of the damage and NPC frigates. Also is perfect for traveling in deep hostile territory and in case can move cloacked inside the plex till in good range. And, yes, then have to uncloack :)
It depends what militia you play for. Amarr can not solo missions with a bomber. The minmatar definitely can. I never ran them for caldari or gallente so I don't know.
I think this imbalance escaped notice because the best way to farm used to be plexes. But now with the timer rollbacks and having to kill all the npcs the missions will be the best pve lp per hour in eve.
At least they don't effect occupancy. If it did the minmatar would have all the systems. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.12.03 16:23:00 -
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Does anyone even do missions anymore? I can't recall seeing but one mission plex since the emergency patch. Minmatar are rich, fat and happy. Amarr don't want to go to Metro through one gate to run them. |
Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD.
213
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Posted - 2012.12.03 16:40:00 -
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Manticore with rockets/small guns + disru + lokiboost = farming FW bears all day.
I had great success with a keres too, because dumb bears are thinking they are safe when they are 60km from the opponent. |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:58:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Manticore with rockets/small guns + disru + lokiboost = farming FW bears all day. I had great success with a keres too, because dumb bears are thinking they are safe when they are 60km from the opponent. Hey look at me everybody!!! I'm a 1337 badass at PVP and all it took for me to get that way was the exploitation of one of the cheesiest use of alts in the game. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2012.12.04 09:59:00 -
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Well, manticore + loki offgrid booster to kill single missioning frigates already under level 4 NPC full aggro... :) |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.12.04 14:39:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Does anyone even do missions anymore? I can't recall seeing but one mission plex since the emergency patch. Minmatar are rich, fat and happy. Amarr don't want to go to Metro through one gate to run them.
I see allot of purifiers and nemesis around. Plus I see allot of minmatar missions open.
Amarr no longer run missions because, amarr missions pay much less, they can't be done solo in a sb, and we are locked out of several of our better agents. (better = closer to your mission destination)
Going through the gate in eszur isn't really the problem. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Snape Dieboldmotor
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:44:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
It depends what militia you play for. Amarr can not solo missions with a bomber. The minmatar definitely can.
Amarr can absolutely run Level 4 Fw Missions. I have run them all solo in a SB. |
Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration Reckless Faith
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:36:00 -
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If I could be bothered i'd fit up some SB's and go mission running just to see.....
But seeing as I CBA i think I'll stick with small gang stuff and run plex's on my time off! That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer! |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:42:00 -
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does amarr religion bars them from soloing lev4 mission in SB?
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:54:00 -
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Snape Dieboldmotor wrote:Cearain wrote:
It depends what militia you play for. Amarr can not solo missions with a bomber. The minmatar definitely can.
Amarr can absolutely run Level 4 Fw Missions. I have run them all solo in a SB.
Solo as in speed tank ship + sb, or solo as in solo?
If solo as in solo please post the fit.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:43:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Snape Dieboldmotor wrote:Cearain wrote:
It depends what militia you play for. Amarr can not solo missions with a bomber. The minmatar definitely can.
Amarr can absolutely run Level 4 Fw Missions. I have run them all solo in a SB. Solo as in speed tank ship + sb, or solo as in solo? If solo as in solo please post the fit. Why don't you just speed tank your SB? I would figure that you could get a hound to go plenty fast. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:12:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:Does anyone even do missions anymore? I can't recall seeing but one mission plex since the emergency patch. Minmatar are rich, fat and happy. Amarr don't want to go to Metro through one gate to run them. I see allot of purifiers and nemesis around. Plus I see allot of minmatar missions open. Amarr no longer run missions because, amarr missions pay much less, they can't be done solo in a sb, and we are locked out of several of our better agents. (better = closer to your mission destination) Going through the gate in eszur isn't really the problem.
My pilgrim went through eszur all the time, for some reason they wouldn't point it. Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
691
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Posted - 2012.12.06 19:46:00 -
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Schalac wrote:Cearain wrote:Snape Dieboldmotor wrote:Cearain wrote:
It depends what militia you play for. Amarr can not solo missions with a bomber. The minmatar definitely can.
Amarr can absolutely run Level 4 Fw Missions. I have run them all solo in a SB. Solo as in speed tank ship + sb, or solo as in solo? If solo as in solo please post the fit. Why don't you just speed tank your SB? I would figure that you could get a hound to go plenty fast.
I haven't run a mission fro amarr since pre inferno. But it used to be that the missile spam combined with the target painters made it impossible to run level 4s solo in a sb.
I can easilly run minmatar missions solo in a sb.
I am not saying there is not a single mission that can be run in a sb. But I am saying that you would have to turn too many down to get to the one to 3 you can run. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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