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Rene De'Labou
S-Words And Snakes
Shadow of Fate
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Posted - 2012.12.02 05:12:00 -
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We are now witnessing the extinction of the "elite PvP" alliance, though they are not going without a fight. Eventually Super Coalitions of Alliances will be the generally accepted practice in EVE, the term blob will no longer be a perjorative term. But there is still much road to travel before an actual competitive force rises to meet what some coalitions are already benefiting from this level of organization. On that road there will be many stops along the way to acceptance, one such stop could very well be a pronounced uptick in Mercenary invovlement in Null Sec politics.
Having read over the history of EVE there are many examples of small mercenary groups even an alliance or two popping up and being useful. The Great War in EVE for example saw some very prominent actions before political bickering lead to dissolution of a Client-Contractor relationship. After that there trail began to ran cold or very well my research skills are not up to snuff being a new person to EVE.
We also see plenty of flash in the pan announcements about "Merc's For Hire" advertisements in local, recruitment and posts here on the forum. It is usually comprised of a few members, or if its an existing entity in Null or Hi Sec its membership simply isn't large enough to register an impact on the virtual battlefield of EVE. Mercenary groups for the most part are either ignored, written off, or simply fail to register as a threat worth sending a major fleet after. They are currently best suited to harassment actions like camping, bombing and generating mails that your structure is under attack. Again this is nothing new to any pilot in Null Sec.
It also should be no great revelation that Null Sec politics themselves never made mercenary contracts a viable option. First the attitude of "elite PvP" makes using mercenaries incompatible with long held dogma. Second, have been historic problems with Client-Contractor relations. Large alliances expecting much from small mercenary groups, client fleets retreating and abandoning their mercenary fleets to the enemy, client organizations taking credit and marginalizing mercenary victories. These two problems should sound like mercenary work simply has no appreciable or practical place in EVE. Simply put anyone starting a mercenary group just came up with a really bad idea proven to impractical. That is until the birth of Super Coalitions and their organizational success in dominating Null Sec.
While your current "Elite PvP" alliance abhors forming large coalitions of blues, lacks the diplomatic skills to do so, or simply forms a coalition of "elite PvPers" with no appreciable growth in numbers to match the threat before them, mercenaries don't face such problems. What matters to the mercenary is the payday. Does the client have money? Will the client carry out their end of the arrangement? Can the mercenaries effectively carry out a mission and chalk one up in the win column to tout as a reason to be hired in the future?
In the past when alliances were the primary force in Null Sec, before the dawn of these incredibly large coalitions a mercenary outfit could be a boon on the battlefield. It certainly helped BoB till they caused their contractor to leave in disgust over internal politics. Now with these super coalitions a single Mercenary Alliance won't do. An actual Mercenary Coalition, not an alliance simply called Mercenary Coalition, is required to ensure the paydays keep coming in. Since mercenaries are not bound by dogma or "honor" they will be the ones to really build up coaltions. Now BoB being representative of the "honor" culture in EVE was fine with hiring mercenaries. Its an acceptable practice when you think about it, all great empires in history have used mercenaries. While some like Machievlli did not approve of relying on mercenaries as the primary means of maintaining power, he also recognized their usefulness.
So what does that mean for the current "elite pvp" crowd out there. Well if they can put together a body of their best pilots in a sizeable and appreciable force, they can supplement their force projection by contracting out to a super coalition of mercenary alliances. It permits them to have another ally on the field that won't doom them to being forever blue. Instead the promise of perhaps one day fighting the very people they contract means good fights and a dynamic political situation to keep things interesting. Couple that will new rewards for mercenary coalitions like SOV. Now you have a group of people that can be called upon when the chips are down, but also have a nearby group of people you can shoot at that don't take it personally. After all one clients isk is as good as another and mercenaries simply engaged in "good fights" find them to be just that. People stay sharp, enjoy a wild west atmosphere of friends one day, foes the next.
Imagine a number of mercenary coalitions popping up in the North and South of Null Sec. Each holding small "feifdoms" of SOV, politically neutral yet an available ally when things start to go pear shaped. "Elite PvP" has its option of engaging in clever politics, defending its assets, and having someone to fight in boring times. Most importantly mercenary fleets mean less SOV grinding fleets. Mercenaries can be paid to do it, mercenary fleets mean actual fleet engagements since they are paid to find and kill you, and by the nature of mercenary work only the most reliable will develop and stick around over time. Certainly if this stop is made onto the path of accepting HBC or Goon-like coalition sizes, we should see some interesting times in Null Sec and its politics. |
ScoRpS
0utbreak
Outbreak.
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Posted - 2012.12.02 07:45:00 -
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Your last paragraph is so 2004!
Also bring back "Station Ping Pong" and that will complete it. And it will be good! |
Rene De'Labou
S-Words And Snakes
Shadow of Fate
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Posted - 2012.12.02 08:46:00 -
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How can anyone hate on Pong?
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Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.02 08:56:00 -
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You think the mercenaries will be neutral. Will be hired by the mega coalitions but soon there will be only us vs them and your mercs aren't us... unless they join us...
Why would a mega coalition hire mercenaries if they an also use the isk to pay/reimburse their members.
What I can see happening is pirates harassing target of said mega coalitions to claim bounties placed on their enemies. |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.02 13:07:00 -
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We are now witnessing a really bad wall of text post. |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2012.12.02 13:09:00 -
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Didn't you post this exact same thread like a week ago? |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.12.02 16:46:00 -
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Charles Case wrote:Didn't you post this exact same thread like a week ago?
I believe last time it was less words, I think the post has put on Christmas weight.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Kamden Line
Eclipse Navy
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.12.02 18:31:00 -
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I belive I will submit this as my next political science paper. I doubt the prof. would ever know the difference. |
knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2012.12.02 22:49:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the OP didn't read up about PL, as I understand it were a mercenary alliance until they got into bed with test on a permanent basis this year. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.03 00:10:00 -
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Yes
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Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.12.03 06:33:00 -
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Confirming I am infact extremely elite pvp and doing just fine. |
Rastino
Mystic Squad
eVolution Reloaded
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Posted - 2012.12.10 23:54:00 -
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With my extremely short attention span I got roughly five words into you wall of text and thought counting the holes in my socks would be more fun.
Could you post it as a sound file so I can do both at the same time?
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Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.13 04:52:00 -
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So who among the 4 coalitions that currently control all of nullsec is going to actually grant some sov to this "merc super coalition".
CFC, HBC and N3 certainly dont need the help of mercs to achieve their military goals, SOLAR of course hired BL. |
Imigo Montoya
Abraxsys
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.12.17 23:49:00 -
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Why would a "mercenary coalition" ever hold a "fiefdom of SOV"?! Mercenaries are fighters, not landholders. |
Knights Armament
Disability Benefits
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Posted - 2012.12.18 10:46:00 -
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Too long so I decided quite equivalently that I should boast about with this retort, you see I do not intend on reading anything that has been quite pretentiously postulated on this public forum. I bid thee all the best, may fights be had by all that are quire exhilarating.
When the DUST is settled, everything will change.
EVERYTHING |
Andres Talas
Occupational Hazzard
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.12.18 12:26:00 -
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Rene De'Labou wrote:
Imagine a number of mercenary coalitions popping up in the North and South of Null Sec. Each holding small "feifdoms" of SOV, politically neutral yet an available ally when things start to go pear shaped.
I've got a better idea.
Your theoretical mercenary group doesnt bother to hold space - it merely holds the valuable moons within that space, and lets other groups bother about "sov" (and beats the living tar out of them if they interfere with their moon mining).
See also "Legion, Pandemic". At least before they abandoned this lifestyle to become part of the HBC.
Alternatively, they live in NPC Null, and accept large bags of cash for FC services and so on.
See "Legion, Black, Dot".
Is it really too much to ask for people to learn some EvE history before they post walls of text in CAOD ? |
Entrepreuna
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.19 15:00:00 -
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The OP also apparently wasn't around during MC. You know a Mercenary alliance that transformed/re-zoned the entire north during one contract which they were paid with by getting a titan. They messed up when they started taking sides though. You missed out on that era. It's never coming back. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
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Posted - 2012.12.20 05:45:00 -
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Quote: the term blob will no longer be a perjorative
I don't know if I believe that will ever change; as long as people play eve someone will always hate the super large exclusive.
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Ur235
FATAL Warfare
Reckless Faith
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Posted - 2012.12.21 17:38:00 -
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Hmm Tortuga anyone? We all know how that mercernery coalition ended...
hmm |
Andracin
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.12.21 19:07:00 -
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It seems that most null mercs who start taking and holding sov require bears to make their property worth owning. sometimes the mercs become the bears and get lazy about pvp because they would rather make money. sometimes they recuit the bears who since they are not "elite pvp" usually get treated like crap by the merc-formed alliance. At some time the bears revolt and the mercs end up disbanding or going back to empire in a disorganized mess.
Mercs can take sides, the key is for them to only do one thing-fight and get paid for it. When they go to sov holding they end up out of space like every sov holding alliance does eventually... |
Taawuz
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.12.22 19:52:00 -
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Mercenaries and -elite pvp- has gone the way of the samurai. |
Ezek Price
Terminal Consultants Inc.
Kraken.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 16:17:00 -
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Taawuz wrote:Mercenaries and -elite pvp- has gone the way of the samurai.
Gone the way? What happened to old EVE bushido?
War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Forceful Injection
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.12.26 16:28:00 -
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I will never know how "elite pvp" became a buzzword. When in fact it, being "elite pvp" just means you can fly your own ship and make decisions independently of the FC should the need arise. |
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