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Studliness Meyer
Locknova Excavation Service
Naloran Project
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:01:00 -
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I'm sure you guys have seen a hundred+ posts about probing and how "I don't get it," and I did a search to see if any of them could help, but none did so I'm making a post so someone can please help clarify it for me.
I did the tutorials, found all objects, and even watched the youtube probing tutorial video. I launched my one core probe, found an anomaly at roughly 1%, launched my other 4 and began pinpointing it down exactly as they show in the video, adjusting my probes in every direction to center on my finds. I got roughly to about 22% found, pinpointed a little further, and the object *disappeared*. After my "WTF" moment, I started from scratch and did the same thing, except this time I got to about 13%, and then every time I would zero in a little further, the percentages would drop every single time. I spent the better part of 2 and a half hours trying to pinpoint anomalies, with 0 results. The same thing keeps happening...they just disappear as I get closer. Even if I move my probes back out and extend their scan range, I still can't find the object.
Now is this something NORMAL in the game, or is something wrong here? And do I need to have my probing skills maxed out before its even worth trying? I'm at astrometrics lvl 2 and have no other skills that help out. |
Studliness Meyer
Locknova Excavation Service
Naloran Project
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:10:00 -
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Everybody......nevermind 
I'm just a dumb noob. I had my filters set and didn't realize that past a certain percent signal strength, anything not on your filters would fall off.
On the other side of the coin though, not one guide I read mention this happening, so I never did find an answer on the many that I checked. If anyone out there owns a probing guide, please add this as a note in there so morons like myself don't waste so much time chasing their own tails. |
Liner Xiandra
Caldari State Reserve
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:13:00 -
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It's very well possible that when scaling down probe size, the actual signal might fall outside of your new probes scanrange.
The location the scanner gave on your previous scan was an approximation, so the actual signal might be coming from a point that is offset from what you see on screen.
Try putting your probes a little closer to each other (more overlap) from the beginning, that might reduce sudden signal loss.
If the signal is completely gone, try moving all probes a little upward - scan again-, and if nothing is still found, a little below the previous location. That usually picks the signal back up.
It gets a whole lot easier if you skill up, including the supporting skills such as:
-Astrometric pinpointing
-Astrometric Aquisition
-Astrometric rangefinding
Keep practicing, the beginning is difficult indeed. |
Liner Xiandra
Caldari State Reserve
27
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:14:00 -
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Studliness Meyer wrote:Everybody......nevermind I'm just a dumb noob. I had my filters set and didn't realize that past a certain percent signal strength, anything not on your filters would fall off. On the other side of the coin though, not one guide I read mention this happening, so I never did find an answer on the many that I checked. If anyone out there owns a probing guide, please add this as a note in there so morons like myself don't waste so much time chasing their own tails.
Ah, often overlooked indeed. |
Akuma Tsukai
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:40:00 -
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Studliness Meyer wrote:I'm sure you guys have seen a hundred+ posts about probing and how "I don't get it," and I did a search to see if any of them could help, but none did so I'm making a post so someone can please help clarify it for me.
I did the tutorials, found all objects, and even watched the youtube probing tutorial video. I launched my one core probe, found an anomaly at roughly 1%, launched my other 4 and began pinpointing it down exactly as they show in the video, adjusting my probes in every direction to center on my finds. I got roughly to about 22% found, pinpointed a little further, and the object *disappeared*. After my "WTF" moment, I started from scratch and did the same thing, except this time I got to about 13%, and then every time I would zero in a little further, the percentages would drop every single time. I spent the better part of 2 and a half hours trying to pinpoint anomalies, with 0 results. The same thing keeps happening...they just disappear as I get closer. Even if I move my probes back out and extend their scan range, I still can't find the object.
Now is this something NORMAL in the game, or is something wrong here? And do I need to have my probing skills maxed out before its even worth trying? I'm at astrometrics lvl 2 and have no other skills that help out.
Its is perfectly nortmal when you either: put drones too close so that you get 1 effective one (leading to decrease) or forget that THIS IS A ******* 3D WORLD and dont adjust your drones to signature actual elevation.
P.S. And yes with your skill all you can currently do is pray for luck, you wont find a thing with just astro 2. Train them all to 3 at least, do yourself a favor. All 4 is sufficient for low sec. |
Eight Two
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.04 01:42:00 -
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Studliness Meyer wrote:Everybody......nevermind I'm just a dumb noob. I had my filters set and didn't realize that past a certain percent signal strength, anything not on your filters would fall off. On the other side of the coin though, not one guide I read mention this happening, so I never did find an answer on the many that I checked. If anyone out there owns a probing guide, please add this as a note in there so morons like myself don't waste so much time chasing their own tails.
Actually that's quite a common problem seeing that people in the rookie channel and the various exploration channels regularly complain about it. The problem is that as you said, signatures just dissapear.
A fix could be leaving a greyed out mark (similar to bookmarks) on the starmap to give visual feedback that the signature is still there, just not what you are looking for.
Also, what Akuma said. Low probing skills will lead to frustration, the extra time to train the relevant skills to at least IV is well worth the time. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1008
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Posted - 2012.12.04 06:26:00 -
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Don't feel bad about it, the filter system is useless in 99% of all situations. The feature is a great idea in theory, but the implementation is incredibly broken. |
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:20:00 -
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St Mio wrote:Don't feel bad about it, the filter system is useless in 99% of all situations. The feature is a great idea in theory, but the implementation is incredibly broken.
filter system is fine. |
Sylvia Nardieu
audacity.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:40:00 -
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Filter system is actually one of the most useful aspects of explo since it clears up the clutter which scan results sometimes can provide. I personally use separate filters for probing down (boosting) T3's, signatures (w/o anomalies), capsules  etc...
Really useful, just learn how to use it. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1008
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:52:00 -
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Test case:
Scenario, Mag sites are set to hidden on filter.
1. First scan: ABC-123 at 1%
2. Second scan: ABC-123 at 26%. It's a Mag.
It then disappears: you have no idea if you placed your probe wrong, if what you're probing moved (in case of ships), or if the filter is filtering it out. No feedback.
3. Proceed to scan next sig, DEF-456. Suddenly ABC-123 appears back on scan at 5%.
It would work a lot better if the scanner remembered the highest result for a signature instead of the most recent result, or automatically added them to the ignore list once you've determined what category they fall under. |
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Talemecus Valta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:16:00 -
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This is a very informative post.
Touch wood, (taps head enthusiasticaly), Ive not had this trouble.
Whereabouts would I find the filters for probing on my scanner?
Is there a tiny little menu icon I've not found??
Only 40 rounds per gun... I hate reloading in the middle!
I'll make it through each day, Singing DEATH OR GLORY!!!! |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1009
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:29:00 -
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http://www.swiftandbitter.com/eve/misc/Reset_Filters.jpg
:) |
Robertina Bering
Local resources exhausted
2
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:42:00 -
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It seems like you're using some fliters. Just switch your filter to "Show all" mode and enjoy. |
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
45
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:44:00 -
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St Mio wrote:Test case:
Scenario, Mag sites are set to hidden on filter.
1. First scan: ABC-123 at 1%
2. Second scan: ABC-123 at 26%. It's a Mag.
It then disappears: you have no idea if you placed your probe wrong, if what you're probing moved (in case of ships), or if the filter is filtering it out. No feedback.
3. Proceed to scan next sig, DEF-456. Suddenly ABC-123 appears back on scan at 5%.
It would work a lot better if the scanner remembered the highest result for a signature instead of the most recent result, or automatically added them to the ignore list once you've scanned them past 25% and they fall under a filtered out category.
then dont use them for pve.
combat probe in 0.0 with out filters and then come back saying filters suck.
morons |
Talemecus Valta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.04 14:43:00 -
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St Mio wrote:http://www.swiftandbitter.com/eve/misc/Reset_Filters.jpg
:)
Thanks for that, I've never really used filters before.
I'll give them a go later on after the download.
Only 40 rounds per gun... I hate reloading in the middle!
I'll make it through each day, Singing DEATH OR GLORY!!!! |
Jarvin Spoo
Clandestine Management Group
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Posted - 2012.12.04 15:27:00 -
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Lilan Kahn wrote:St Mio wrote:Test case:
Scenario, Mag sites are set to hidden on filter.
1. First scan: ABC-123 at 1%
2. Second scan: ABC-123 at 26%. It's a Mag.
It then disappears: you have no idea if you placed your probe wrong, if what you're probing moved (in case of ships), or if the filter is filtering it out. No feedback.
3. Proceed to scan next sig, DEF-456. Suddenly ABC-123 appears back on scan at 5%.
It would work a lot better if the scanner remembered the highest result for a signature instead of the most recent result, or automatically added them to the ignore list once you've scanned them past 25% and they fall under a filtered out category. then dont use them for pve. combat probe in 0.0 with out filters and then come back saying filters suck. morons
Its amazing as to the lack of respect and common courtesy that happens in this forum. Please check your non productive comments at the door. The post was a valid point that needed feedback. |
Vixorz
Cabronazos
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Posted - 2012.12.04 15:31:00 -
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St Mio wrote:Test case:
Scenario, Mag sites are set to hidden on filter.
1. First scan: ABC-123 at 1%
2. Second scan: ABC-123 at 26%. It's a Mag.
It then disappears: you have no idea if you placed your probe wrong, if what you're probing moved (in case of ships), or if the filter is filtering it out. No feedback.
3. Proceed to scan next sig, DEF-456. Suddenly ABC-123 appears back on scan at 5%.
It would work a lot better if the scanner remembered the highest result for a signature instead of the most recent result, or automatically added them to the ignore list once you've scanned them past 25% and they fall under a filtered out category.
That happened to me a couple of times after beginning to use the filters. Now i only use filters when i want to scan only sigs or ships. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1011
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Posted - 2012.12.05 05:33:00 -
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I admit I should have been more specific :)
Allow me to rephrase:
A few months ago, CCP split "Cosmic Signature" up from 1 checkbox to 5 (one for each type). While these would be nice if they worked, they don't. Either you're looking for PvE sites and have them all checked, or you're not, and you uncheck them all.
Also, the default setting for all 5 new checkboxes was the unchecked state, so everyone was having suddenly mysteriously disappearing results. It was as annoying as logging in to find that all your Overview presets were removed.
I mentioned it in this context cause OP was talking about scanning PvE sites. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3842
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:02:00 -
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I have to say I never really liked the filter option for exploration, guess I'm just old school. I can definitely see it being very useful for Combat probing
Anyway, I have all Cosmic Sig's set to show and if it still shows 'Unknown' after getting 25% signal strength, then I know I'm chasing down a w-hole or combat site which will show itself at 75%.
May take me a little bit longer to do exploration but I definitely won't miss any signatures or rescan ghost sig's. This also allows me the option to ignore specific sites at my prerogative.
Training up all exploration skills at least to level 4 and using Sisters equipment will definitely make it much easier and faster. If really serious, install exploration implants and use a dedicated scanning ship (Bonus/Role).
DMC |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
831
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:02:00 -
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I scan a lot. Not as much as when I lived fulltime in w-space but still quite a lot. Much of my scanning nowadays is nullsec PvP related, although I also go w-space hunting from time to time GǪ for old times sake.
Nowadays I virtually never use the filters and have my system scanner set to show me everything. Instead of the filters I make extensive use of the GÇÿignoreGÇÖ option.
The way I see it, this method lets me GÇÿseeGÇÖ everything and then decide what to do with that data. Seeing an GÇÿunknownGÇÖ when I am hunting an episodic orca might quickly galvanise me into realising that IGÇÖm dealing with a WH-collapsing orca, probably from a C3. Seeing all the towers may prompt me to realise GÇ£Hell, thereGÇÖs a new POS in hereGÇ¥ and go find the hostile interloper. The downside, if there is one, is that I do need to take a look at all the returns and decide which to ignore and which to keep a watch on GǪ but the ability to sort by each column makes that a pretty quick job.
I guess I see the filters as being fine, as far as they go, but prefer to apply my own feeble brain to all of the information available GǪ believing, perhaps falsely, that that will let me make better decisions faster.
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
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Talemecus Valta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.06 06:08:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Training up all exploration skills at least to level 4 and using Sisters equipment will definitely make it much easier and faster. If really serious, install exploration implants and use a dedicated scanning ship (Bonus/Role).
DMC
I'm going to do this once I've finished training up my frig skill to lvl5.
Only 40 rounds per gun... I hate reloading in the middle!
I'll make it through each day, Singing DEATH OR GLORY!!!! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3843
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Posted - 2012.12.06 21:23:00 -
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Talemecus Valta wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Training up all exploration skills at least to level 4 and using Sisters equipment will definitely make it much easier and faster. If really serious, install exploration implants and use a dedicated scanning ship (Bonus/Role).
DMC I'm going to do this once I've finished training up my frig skill to lvl5.
Excellent, being an explorer is all about having perseverance. Not to mention that traveling to areas that are far from trade and mission hubs, systems with low population count / activity, will usually net you better results. After getting skilled up and using top equipment, you can then always compete with the others in the more populated areas.
Just remember:
Exploration is Eve's Final Frontier.
These will be the voyages of your Ship.
It's continuing mission: to explore strange new locations, to seek out new signatures and rewards, to boldly go where you've never gone before.
DMC
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Talemecus Valta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.12.07 07:02:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Just remember: Exploration is Eve's Final Frontier. These will be the voyages of your Ship. It's continuing mission: to explore strange new locations, to seek out new signatures and rewards, to boldly go where you've never gone before. DMC
My girlfriend's handbag??????
On a serious note, I will be looking for mag/radar sites to make huge amounts of money.
Only 40 rounds per gun... I hate reloading in the middle!
I'll make it through each day, Singing DEATH OR GLORY!!!! |
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