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Aelius	Posted - 2005.05.10 11:15:00 - [1] Edited by: Aelius on 11/05/2005 08:46:14 Due to the secrecy involving the distibution of Tech2 BPOs, i'm starting this thread so people can post their discoveries and try to put at a clear sight something being like a X-File to CCP. No ones knows how many, how often and to whom they are awarded. I'm sharing my information with the rest of you and i hope others do the same. 4 Tech2 BPOs awarded in Hydromagnetic Engeneering. Medium Shield Booster II ~8000 RP's Energized Reflective Membrane II ~12000 RP's Micro Shield Extender II ~1500 RP's Small Shield Transfer II ~3000 RP's Current RP's over 6 Agents CSE- 400K Hydro Eng.- 20K Electromag Physics- 20K I really don't know why so much secrecy involving this matter, and this puts misstrust around all the lottery mecanisms. Do CCP really have something to hide from us??? If so, WHY Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Ezri	Posted - 2005.05.10 11:19:00 - [2] 10 out of 10 for 'Most Cheesy Thread Title of the Month' Ez.
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2005.05.10 11:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Aelius I really don't know why so much secrecy involving this matter, and this puts misstrust around all the lottery mecanisms. Do CCP really have something to hide from us??? If so, WHY BPOs are awarded through a random lottery, I wasn't aware that it was a secret. There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Aelius	Posted - 2005.05.10 12:12:00 - [4] Edited by: Aelius on 10/05/2005 12:12:45 Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh Originally by: Aelius I really don't know why so much secrecy involving this matter, and this puts misstrust around all the lottery mecanisms. Do CCP really have something to hide from us??? If so, WHY BPOs are awarded through a random lottery, I wasn't aware that it was a secret. One out of two. Or your english is not that good or you are asking for a flame . DID I say that the random lottery was a secret??? I just sayed that the lottery mecanisms are not clear mainly because CCP don't give any info about them. That it's a lottery EVERYBODY knows, what is unclear is the amount of BPOs given, the regularity and the winners. Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Rawne Karrde	Posted - 2005.05.10 12:40:00 - [5] to get this thread back on topic.. I have the following CSE 60,207 rp's (had since June of 04) Mech engineering ~12,300 rp's (had the same agent since R&D agents showed up on tq) mech engineering ~2,000 rp's (had for 2 months or so) Electronics engineering ~4,100 (had for 4 months or so) High Energy Physics ~ 4,000 ( had for 4 months or so) all agents are with the Kaalakiota corporation. I've done about 1-2 missions a week, and not got one single offer. My agents haven't even farted in my direction. Been disappointing to watch wave after wave of bpo release and not getting anything when others are getting their 4th of 5th print. So much for the science profession in the game.
Sarkos	Posted - 2005.05.10 12:51:00 - [6] What really annoys me is seeing someone get multiple BPO's while you, with a comperable amount of RP's get nothing. How so? Is it really that random when the same people consistantly seem to win the BPO's? Perhaps CCP's random number generator needs looking into. Sarkos Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.05.10 13:18:00 - [7] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/05/2005 13:18:00 Originally by: Sarkos What really annoys me is seeing someone get multiple BPO's while you, with a comperable amount of RP's get nothing. How so? Is it really that random when the same people consistantly seem to win the BPO's? Perhaps CCP's random number generator needs looking into. Sarkos If you randomly place a lot of dots on a sheet of paper, they will not be evenly spaced - they will appear in clusters. Truly random events are not evenly spread out, only ordered events are. Think of it as an entropy thing. Therefore, some people getting multiple BPOs whilst others with comparable amounts of RPs receive none is mathematically likely. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2005.05.10 13:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Aelius Edited by: Aelius on 10/05/2005 12:12:45 Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh Originally by: Aelius I really don't know why so much secrecy involving this matter, and this puts misstrust around all the lottery mecanisms. Do CCP really have something to hide from us??? If so, WHY BPOs are awarded through a random lottery, I wasn't aware that it was a secret. One out of two. Or your english is not that good or you are asking for a flame . DID I say that the random lottery was a secret??? I just sayed that the lottery mecanisms are not clear mainly because CCP don't give any info about them. That it's a lottery EVERYBODY knows, what is unclear is the amount of BPOs given, the regularity and the winners. I'm pretty sure that CCP said a while back that there were eight BPOs for every T2 item. As for the exact mechanism, I'm not sure that CCP will ever release it, just as they will never release the exact formula for calculating hit probabilities. There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Virtuozzo	Posted - 2005.05.10 13:30:00 - [9] Let's kill one myth: there is no random lottery ^^ there is a trigger based on in game parameters and .. manual insertion. Nice isn't it .. Cheers, Virtuozzo
Thyro	Posted - 2005.05.10 13:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh Originally by: Aelius I really don't know why so much secrecy involving this matter, and this puts misstrust around all the lottery mecanisms. Do CCP really have something to hide from us??? If so, WHY BPOs are awarded through a random lottery, I wasn't aware that it was a secret. Ur a Joker! Lottery! hea! right! And a new type of people for your list of 10... Those who have good connections as example "those" with good connections to CCP to get good BPOs!
Thyro	Posted - 2005.05.10 13:37:00 - [11] Nothing better for CCP reputation than clear the mess of this BPO distribution. To clearly see who got what and how many (of the same) received more! Lottary! eah!
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.05.10 13:51:00 - [12] it is completely random, hence why some get loads, and some get nuffin. This is also the reason why the lottery sux oh and the 8 BPOS per item is a myth. Its more like 25-30 and was the figure stated about 10 months ago in a dev blog/dev chat iirc Forums: Sharks - MC
Damocles Ician	Posted - 2005.05.10 14:09:00 - [13] a total this morning of about 448k - three Gallente starship engineering, one plasma and one nanite. i imagine some committed people with have all three of their characters (ie their two alts) also trained up to do Research. Goodness knows Dr Scope has had his fair share of BPO's!! An impressively focused corp perhaps? -------------
Kin Hanyerec	Posted - 2005.05.10 14:12:00 - [14] Quote: I just sayed that the lottery mecanisms are not clear mainly because CCP don't give any info about them. there's an explanation of this secrecy, if people know how it works the results may be influenced and it won't be random at all.
Devestator	Posted - 2005.05.10 14:21:00 - [15] Edited by: Devestator on 10/05/2005 14:21:15 I got a Megabeam II BPO with ~60k RP in Laser Physics about 6 months ago. I started researching when the R&D agents first came out. Now i have ~22k RP in Laser Physics and nothing has come out since. Megapulse Nerf 4tw
Joe	Posted - 2005.05.10 14:39:00 - [16] yes the '8 of each bpo' is a myth. Thread in which the gm responded to this was a Cap II whine thread, and as theres so many, nobody has anychance of ever finding it again. For a limited Time (and i mean a few days) R&D agents actually displayed Lottery Info Things i think they may have dosplayed, but am not quite sure: Total amount of players using the agent Total amount of people researching in that R&D field Total amount of RP researched in that field, and the average amount I think these statistics may have been revmoved as they were a little depressing, and when you figured out your actual odds of winning are 0.00001% or something. BPo's are seeded by GM's, they regulate the amount that go's into the game, but they're awarded to people through a random generator. Althoug i think this is a relevent discussion topic, posting the amount of RP's that you had when awarded bp's only serves a Whine magnet, you should be aware that people now have 100k's of RP in various fields, and to be quite frank, the figures youve posted have nothing todo with the topic. Bonus troll pionts 4 u. ps. as for Scope having alot of bp's, its not all through lottery wins, mearly through good buiseness practices, reinvenstment into further Tech II bpo's. Taranis WholeSale Deals.
Aelius	Posted - 2005.05.10 15:32:00 - [17] Edited by: Aelius on 10/05/2005 15:32:45 Originally by: Joe Althoug i think this is a relevent discussion topic, posting the amount of RP's that you had when awarded bp's only serves a Whine magnet, you should be aware that people now have 100k's of RP in various fields, and to be quite frank, the figures youve posted have nothing todo with the topic. Bonus troll pionts 4 u. The figures i just posted (the ones with BPOs awards) are from 4 to 5 months ago. At that time Hydromagnectic didn't had anything of great value (now there is XL Shield Booster II) so few people did R&D in that field. That should explain the bunch of crapy BPOs i got. Furthermore, i'm not here to start a whine thread or to troll anyone. I just want to understand how does it work. I liked very much the info given at a known time about the field being researched and the total amount of RP's in game. I don't know why the hell CCP removed that info. Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.05.10 15:38:00 - [18] The instant CCP gives out hard numbers, hundreds of you researchers will be swarming to your spreadsheets and start powergaming. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss What is your Radical Dream?
Aelius	Posted - 2005.05.10 15:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi The instant CCP gives out hard numbers, hundreds of you researchers will be swarming to your spreadsheets and start powergaming. What do you mean by that? Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.05.10 15:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Aelius Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi The instant CCP gives out hard numbers, hundreds of you researchers will be swarming to your spreadsheets and start powergaming. What do you mean by that? I mean you aren't getting your numbers. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss What is your Radical Dream?
Dimning	Posted - 2005.05.10 16:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi The instant CCP gives out hard numbers, hundreds of you researchers will be swarming to your spreadsheets and start powergaming. There's no way to powergame a random lottery. You don't see people powergaming roulette wheels in Las Vegas, even though the hard numbers for that have been known for centuries.
John Blackthorn	Posted - 2005.05.10 16:05:00 - [22] I have 4 agents running caldari starship. 30k 50k 95k and 180k of rp's. And one hydromatic agent with 5-8k rp.s I've never gotten a single drop. Which to me is probibly the only thing in this game that has really anoyed me. John Blackthorn
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.05.10 16:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Dimning Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi The instant CCP gives out hard numbers, hundreds of you researchers will be swarming to your spreadsheets and start powergaming. There's no way to powergame a random lottery. You don't see people powergaming roulette wheels in Las Vegas, even though the hard numbers for that have been known for centuries. If the devs us a computer to do the lottery, it is not truly random. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss What is your Radical Dream?
Prodigal Gamer	Posted - 2005.05.10 17:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Originally by: Dimning Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi The instant CCP gives out hard numbers, hundreds of you researchers will be swarming to your spreadsheets and start powergaming. There's no way to powergame a random lottery. You don't see people powergaming roulette wheels in Las Vegas, even though the hard numbers for that have been known for centuries. If the devs us a computer to do the lottery, it is not truly random. And exactly how many computer science engineering and/or statistics courses have you attended recently? I'm sick of seeing people on forums about video games act like they know everything about random number generators. This isn't DOS and it's not on an IBM 486. Developments have been made in the CSE and Statistics field enabling us to randomly generate numbers very effectively and efficiently.
Harisdrop	Posted - 2005.05.10 17:25:00 - [25] Hello old thread under a new name and different faces........ I would like a couple changes to our Agents Show Info. If the agent is not active on R&D with the us only show us skills that the R&D agent accepts. Only show the skill we have active with the agent! Show how many total RP are in that field. SHOW tech II ITEM AND RELEASE DATE. If this info is posted then everything would be answered. We had it for a short while once. That is when there was a certain R&D runner that annoyed us to death about this lottery. Then the devs mentioned that there was a low R&D point bug. I would reccomend to have more detail than less and the non-existance of some. You mention in a dev blog that Tech II is coming but we see none in our Show info! -------------------------- Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.05.10 17:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Prodigal Gamer Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Originally by: Dimning Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi The instant CCP gives out hard numbers, hundreds of you researchers will be swarming to your spreadsheets and start powergaming. There's no way to powergame a random lottery. You don't see people powergaming roulette wheels in Las Vegas, even though the hard numbers for that have been known for centuries. If the devs us a computer to do the lottery, it is not truly random. And exactly how many computer science engineering and/or statistics courses have you attended recently? I'm sick of seeing people on forums about video games act like they know everything about random number generators. This isn't DOS and it's not on an IBM 486. Developments have been made in the CSE and Statistics field enabling us to randomly generate numbers very effectively and efficiently. I too am sick of people on gaming forums acting like they know everything. Random is not possible on a binary machine. Unless you count power surges...that can be pretty random. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss What is your Radical Dream?
Achmed Abdul	Posted - 2005.05.10 18:19:00 - [27] You CAN'T win against asians croupier... damn
Shimatu	Posted - 2005.05.10 18:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Originally by: Prodigal Gamer Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Originally by: Dimning Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi The instant CCP gives out hard numbers, hundreds of you researchers will be swarming to your spreadsheets and start powergaming. There's no way to powergame a random lottery. You don't see people powergaming roulette wheels in Las Vegas, even though the hard numbers for that have been known for centuries. If the devs us a computer to do the lottery, it is not truly random. And exactly how many computer science engineering and/or statistics courses have you attended recently? I'm sick of seeing people on forums about video games act like they know everything about random number generators. This isn't DOS and it's not on an IBM 486. Developments have been made in the CSE and Statistics field enabling us to randomly generate numbers very effectively and efficiently. I too am sick of people on gaming forums acting like they know everything. Random is not possible on a binary machine. Unless you count power surges...that can be pretty random. ok, fine so it cant be totally random. but in the same way, neither can anything physical (quantum or something like that stops it, i imagine.). eg. if i toss a coin, would you say it was 50/50 which side it lands on? well, maybe. but with practice its possible to get it to always land the same way up, just based on the amount of force you give it, the angle you flip it at, and the spin you give it. same goes for a roulette reel. computers, in fact, can get a lot closer to random than a lot of things that we consider to be random in real life... 3-I's T2 sales can be found HERE
Dimning	Posted - 2005.05.10 22:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi If the devs us a computer to do the lottery, it is not truly random. Doesn't matter. Even if you knew the precise prng algorithm and the precise seed (and there's no reason why anyone would know either -- giving out the details of the lottery doesn't include giving out details of the randomisation mechanism), you might be able to determine the next "winning lottery number" -- however, no player has the necessary control over the environment to effect any significant change to the "lotter numbers" they themselves own.
Dimning	Posted - 2005.05.10 22:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Random is not possible on a binary machine. Unless you count power surges...that can be pretty random. While true randomness is not possible on a deterministic machine (wether a machine is binary or not doesn't matter), a computer system is actually not entirely deterministic. There are many sources of randomness from I/O which can be used, such as the time between a user's key-strokes. However, for almost all practical purposes there's no need to go to such extremes, as pseudo-random number generators are almost always good enough.

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