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Ildur Amaenar
Epidemic Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:01:00 -
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First of all, it was a nice read coming from Hilmar.
The 2nd thing: don`t let yourself stolen by emotions. It was a fabricated response made by ppl that know what they are doing (image advisers).
It is an image campaign. This evolved naturally from ppl unsubbing.
If you read this topic, I want you to understand this fact:
EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS NOW COMES FROM THE REDUCTION OF SUBSCRIPTIONS. NOTHING MORE.
Now it comes to the most important fact: The single role that CSM had in this debacle was to minimize the rage that went through the community.
This is why it sickens me to my core to see several CSM members trying to steal the hype that surrounds the latest CCP activity.
Don`t understand me wrong, I believe most of CSM members did what they should with transmitting our issues to CCP.
But, when you see these quotes...
"Your welcome, EVE Online community.
(white tree for csm 7)"
"CSM6 was working behind the scenes"
"CSM7 Re-election."
These are only quotes from one of the CSM members that came in hand (most recent). There are more...
Now, facts.
1. They haven`t prevented this happening in anyway. (They may have the excuse they weren`t informed)
2. If 1 is correct, NONE of the CSM resigned due to the fact that they were useless in their chairs. (although I have a vague feeling someone resigned. don`t remember accurate)
3. The community has the whole merit. Moreover the ppl that unsubbed. The thousands of replies on these forums, the so called bittervets, the ppl that bothered to care, to bash the wrong doing.
IT WASN`T CSM THAT DID THIS. And nonetheless they try to steal what`s rightfully yours EVE community.
tl;dr
One last fact. You, the player, have the power in this game. With your money and interest you CONTROL this game.
NOT CCP, NOT CSM. So, find these worms that try to feed upon your doing and bash them in the upcoming elections. (I am not permitted to give names)
AND ofc, we trust in what you do and not in what you say. So I dare you prove your contributions dear CSM members.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:07:00 -
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Yes Hilmar's blog was nice to see and the CSM very probably had little to do with that.
Did you read Zulu's Blog? If so did your read the intention of this CSM when they "took office"? If so how can you be so blind to not see they almost line up perfectly. If not your opinion is invalid.
The CSM probably can't take much from back tracking - they can stand up and take a bow for the features in the next expansion/patch.
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morons.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:11:00 -
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Good post - saved me some typing - just put the TL;DR in front to make it even better ;)
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:12:00 -
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Chairman For Life Mittani is not amused by your posting. Or your hood.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ildur Amaenar
Epidemic Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:21:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:Chairman For Life Mittani is not amused by your posting. Or your hood.
Don`t think your dear Mittani will have any issues with becoming chairmain of CSM7. He has a lot of sla..goons supporting his back.
So, tell me, how many mass messages did you receive with "don`t forget to vote for me..", "cry me a river if you don`t"etc?
Just give me a call when you understand the reason behind voting, and having a self made opinion, ok? |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:25:00 -
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Ildur Amaenar wrote:Ladie Scarlet wrote:Chairman For Life Mittani is not amused by your posting. Or your hood. Don`t think your dear Mittani will have any issues with becoming chairmain of CSM7. He has a lot of sla..goons supporting his back. So, tell me, how many mass messages did you receive with "don`t forget to vote for me..", "cry me a river if you don`t"etc? Just give me a call when you understand the reason behind voting, and having a self made opinion, ok?
You are correct. There are no Goons with there own opinions or ideas. The reason they voted for Mittens couldn't have possibly been because he was the best vehicle to convey their preferences into reality. Good work! |
Ildur Amaenar
Epidemic Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:35:00 -
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Zirse wrote:
You are correct. There are no Goons with there own opinions or ideas. The reason they voted for Mittens couldn't have possibly been because he was the best vehicle to convey their preferences into reality. Good work!
You are correct from the standpoint of some of the leaders of the goons. I wouldn`t generalize.
I would also appreciate for you to understand the hypothetical reason behind the creation of CSM. Else you will play a game that is called goonsEVE. You won`t enjoy that one, trust me.
Less power for goons and more ppl inside EVE is a win win for both sides. For example, you won`t loose too much if ABC stays in whs. (just an opinion)
Thank you for letting me clear some stuff.
But now you are diverting the discussion. The theme here was another.
P.S. This was what I meant that most of goons don`t have a self made opinion. By thinking that one of them is chairman, they have the illusion that they gain a lot (a smaller community is worse than 100 bil isk). Well, with Mittens in the leading role, EVE went from 40k to 25-30k players online.
He doesn`t have the whole responsibility, but when the ship is sinking, most of the blame falls upon the shoulders of the captain. If you think otherwise, then we must be living in different dimensions. |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:45:00 -
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Ildur Amaenar wrote:Zirse wrote:
You are correct. There are no Goons with there own opinions or ideas. The reason they voted for Mittens couldn't have possibly been because he was the best vehicle to convey their preferences into reality. Good work!
You are correct from the standpoint of some of the leaders of the goons. I wouldn`t generalize. I would also appreciate for you to understand the hypothetical reason behind the creation of CSM. Else you will play a game that is called goonsEVE. You won`t enjoy that one, trust me. Less power for goons and more ppl inside EVE is a win win for both sides. For example, you won`t loose too much if ABC stays in whs. (just an opinion) Thank you for letting me clear some stuff. But now you are diverting the discussion. The theme here was another. P.S. This was what I meant that most of goons don`t have a self made opinion. By thinking that one of them is chairman, they have the illusion that they gain a lot (a smaller community is worse than 100 bil isk). Well, with Mittens in the leading role, EVE went from 40k to 25-30k players online. He doesn`t have the whole responsibility, but when the ship is sinking, most of the blame falls upon the shoulders of the captain. If you think otherwise, then we must be living in different dimensions.
rofl
Did you seriously just try and pin the mass unsubbing on Mittani being chairman? Meanwhile your fellow sister-in-arms is trying to decry the heroics of the people who unsubbed two threads over.
lol |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:49:00 -
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Yea I noticed this stuff also by myself. Wouldn't had even said anything if didn't see this thread, but as it is here - here goes...
CSM has it's purpose and has filled it's task. However events today should not been used as time or as place for personal campaigns to gain leverage or to get re-elected. It is not appropriate behaviour for the situation.
...but hey - at least now I know who I won't be voting :)
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Ildur Amaenar
Epidemic Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:53:00 -
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Zirse wrote:
rofl
Did you seriously just try and pin the mass unsubbing on Mittani being chairman? Meanwhile your fellow sister-in-arms is trying to decry the heroics of the people who unsubbed two threads over.
lol
1st step: Read "Just give me a call when you understand the reason behind voting, and having a self made opinion, ok?"
2nd step. if 1st step is completed read my post again
3rd step. if you still have doubts, go to step 1 again. Simple as that ;)
When things fall apart, someone has the blame. CCP has its blame, CSM has its blame (it`s chairman also) If you can`t understand that, than you don`t understand this world at all.
P.S. My fellow sister-in-arms?? |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:56:00 -
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lol op you dont even know why the CSM was originally created
Hilmar even hints at it in his blog.
Cmon, someone fill him in
(pssst it was **********)
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him."
"Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Zirse
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:57:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Yea I noticed this stuff also by myself. Wouldn't had even said anything if didn't see this thread, but as it is here - here goes...
CSM has it's purpose and has filled it's task. However events today should not been used as time or as place for personal campaigns to gain leverage or to get re-elected. It is not appropriate behaviour for the situation.
...but hey - at least now I know who I won't be voting :)
I would agree with this, but at the same time they have my gratitude for their hard work. |
Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:08:00 -
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Its not CSM, its the numbers dropping and the cynicism of the vets leading to the clear loss of core players. The sad thing is, after so many years, only the newer players buy the sentimental start to a massive justification (this is why I did it!!) letter - wait and see - its mantra and CCP has yet to finish a single project (other then t2) completely yet. Credit rating is a bit low right now, but I am open. |
Ildur Amaenar
Epidemic Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:10:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote:lol op you dont even know why the CSM was originally created
Hilmar even hints at it in his blog.
Cmon, someone fill him in
(pssst it was **********)
Can argue these things in threads with specific names. Wanted to remain clear and organized.
This is a thread that supports the community`s effort and everything else that I stated above. I do understand other mechanics ofc, but want to keep the discussion clear from other allegations.
After all, this is from evelopedia - the time has come to empower players with a formal communications channel to directly impact the development of their society; -greatest good for the greater player base- |
Ildur Amaenar
Epidemic Inc.
16
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:15:00 -
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Zirse wrote:
I would agree with this, but at the same time they have my gratitude for their hard work.
Don`t think anyone argues with that. I fully support the idea that CSM has its contribution.
But there are other problems that are addressed and need to be looked at.
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:16:00 -
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I HAD to post this from Miilia. Unintentional perhaps but his timing was perfect!! ROFLMAO
Miilla wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses Quote:
"Bread and Circuses" (or bread and games) (from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metaphor for a superficial means of appeasement. In the case of politics, the phrase is used to describe the creation of public approval, not through exemplary or excellent public service or public policy, but through the mere satisfaction of the immediate, shallow requirements of a populace
Apt?
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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EVE Stig
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:19:00 -
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Who is HONESTLY, REALLY suprised at the CSM trying to get on this like they were the ones solely responsible for this stuff?
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him."
"Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:23:00 -
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Ildur Amaenar wrote:EVE Stig wrote:lol op you dont even know why the CSM was originally created
Hilmar even hints at it in his blog.
Cmon, someone fill him in
(pssst it was **********) Can argue these things in threads with specific names. Wanted to remain clear and organized. This is a thread that supports the community`s effort and everything else that I stated above. I do understand other mechanics ofc, but want to keep the discussion clear from other allegations. After all, this is from evelopedia - the time has come to empower players with a formal communications channel to directly impact the development of their society; -greatest good for the greater player base-
Ill help, it was originally formed to go to Iceland to make sure CCP wasnt pulling another T20.
It was an impossible reason, but there it was
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him."
"Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
78
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:24:00 -
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tl;dr
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Ildur Amaenar
Epidemic Inc.
17
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:27:00 -
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yup, that`s why I have a tl.dr sign 
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
78
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:39:00 -
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Ildur Amaenar wrote:yup, that`s why I have a tl.dr sign
tl'dr your tl'dr
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
16
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:27:00 -
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Zirse wrote:
You are correct. There are no Goons with there own opinions or ideas.
Agree 87.35%
Mr Epeen 
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Jita Alt666
312
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:29:00 -
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Dear Op: have you read Zulu's Blog yet? |
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