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stabmag Republic University Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:03:00 - [1] - Quote CCP do you believe that 1 alliance should be able to permanently trap a corp or alliance in a wardec whether or not they started the dec. Either by exploits or doddgy mechanics. This is a yes or no question. I am not asking if the mechanics are working properly or not. I would just like an official company stance on if wardecs are intended to be permanent. Yes we all know the wardec system is broken and before i get trolls coming in and saying "htfu" and "learn to pew" my post is neither questioning the valadity of hisec wars or a slight on someones playstyle be it carebear or pvper, anyone who isn't an idiot knows eve needs both to live. So please CCP, I would like you to answer with either a "yes we support wars being permanent." or "no, it is not our intention that wars started by any means be made to last forever."
Nanatoa School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 202	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:05:00 - [2] - Quote Yes Repent what's past; avoid what is to come. MinerBumping.com
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 31	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:13:00 - [3] - Quote Dec Shield thread detected. I believe its "working as intended" where the defender can shed their wars off to a 3rd party then have the 3rd party make it mutual. War declarations under the current mechanics have consequences. So if you are quick to make that war declaration then I guess you have to deal with said consequences when the defender uses the tools CCP has given them.
stabmag Republic University Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:16:00 - [4] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: Dec Shield thread detected. I believe its "working as intended" where the defender can shed their wars off to a 3rd party then have the 3rd party make it mutual. War declarations under the current mechanics have consequences. So if you are quick to make that war declaration then I guess you have to deal with said consequences when the defender uses the tools CCP has given them. obviously someone didn't read the thread. if you work for ccp please respond in the manner i requested. any thing else is just a speculation. yes this is a dec shield thread.. obviously. but again all i am requesting is clarification from ccp not from other gamers who believe their style of play WHICH EVER IT MAY BE is superior.
Johan Civire Dirty Curse inc. 221	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:20:00 - [5] - Quote stabmag wrote: CCP do you believe that 1 alliance should be able to permanently trap a corp or alliance in a wardec whether or not they started the dec. Either by exploits or doddgy mechanics. This is a yes or no question. I am not asking if the mechanics are working properly or not. I would just like an official company stance on if wardecs are intended to be permanent. Yes we all know the wardec system is broken and before i get trolls coming in and saying "htfu" and "learn to pew" my post is neither questioning the valadity of hisec wars or a slight on someones playstyle be it carebear or pvper, anyone who isn't an idiot knows eve needs both to live. So please CCP, I would like you to answer with either a "yes we support wars being permanent." or "no, it is not our intention that wars started by any means be made to last forever." Use your main to post serieuse threats.... Or this is QQ dec shield post.
stabmag Republic University Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:25:00 - [6] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: stabmag wrote: CCP do you believe that 1 alliance should be able to permanently trap a corp or alliance in a wardec whether or not they started the dec. Either by exploits or doddgy mechanics. This is a yes or no question. I am not asking if the mechanics are working properly or not. I would just like an official company stance on if wardecs are intended to be permanent. Yes we all know the wardec system is broken and before i get trolls coming in and saying "htfu" and "learn to pew" my post is neither questioning the valadity of hisec wars or a slight on someones playstyle be it carebear or pvper, anyone who isn't an idiot knows eve needs both to live. So please CCP, I would like you to answer with either a "yes we support wars being permanent." or "no, it is not our intention that wars started by any means be made to last forever." Use your main to post serieuse threats.... Or this is QQ dec shield post. im sorry i offended the king of eve. Purpose of this thread is to be as non partisian as possible any post with a main would cloud that. Also please stop posting off topic. this post is not about forum main / alt posting and the eve metagame.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 3103	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:33:00 - [7] - Quote stabmag wrote: Caviar Liberta wrote: Dec Shield thread detected. I believe its "working as intended" where the defender can shed their wars off to a 3rd party then have the 3rd party make it mutual. War declarations under the current mechanics have consequences. So if you are quick to make that war declaration then I guess you have to deal with said consequences when the defender uses the tools CCP has given them. obviously someone didn't read the thread. if you work for ccp please respond in the manner i requested. any thing else is just a speculation. yes this is a dec shield thread.. obviously. but again all i am requesting is clarification from ccp not from other gamers who believe their style of play WHICH EVER IT MAY BE is superior. This is a public forum meant mainly for players to discuss issues among themselves. If you wanted a personal reply from CCP, you should have petitioned it an requested a reply.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 31	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:37:00 - [8] - Quote This may help you. bounties, kill rights, new modules and war in retribution reported by CCP SoniClover \| 2012.11.21 17:08:44 \| Rules of War WeGÇÖve done two iteration stories on the war system from the Inferno expansion. These are the stories we got to this time around, but there is more work to be done here. The aggressor now has the option to retract a war that has been made mutual by the defender. This ends the war in 24 hours. The other option here was to give the aggressor a chance to accept or refuse making the war mutual, but we felt the retraction was a cleaner and simpler solution. The other story is a bit of refactoring of the war declaration cost. WeGÇÖve removed the cost multiplier based on number of wars youGÇÖre in, as this was causing issues when wars are being copied around, plus itGÇÖs much more severe to be multiplying the base cost now compared to before (50 million and 2 million respectively). Also, weGÇÖve changed a little bit how the cost scales depending on number of characters in defender corp/alliance. The cost now starts ramping up faster than before and thus hits the ceiling of 500 million sooner. Before the cost started scaling up around the 128 character mark and hit the ceiling at ca. 7200. After the change, the cost starts ramping up with the 51st character and hits the ceiling at the 2000 character mark.
FnStrabo Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:38:00 - [9] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: This is a public forum meant mainly for players to discuss issues among themselves. If you wanted a personal reply from CCP, you should have petitioned it an requested a reply. LOL you obviously haven't tried to get answers from CCP before. I'd like an answer from CCP on this as well. How about it folks???
Nex apparatu5 Viper RnD The Big Dirty 398	Posted - 2012.12.09 17:59:00 - [10] - Quote The only way to "permadec" someone is for an aggressor to continue to pay the wardec fee, or for two parties to both decide a war will be mutual. Neither of these need to be fixed, and neither of these are "dodgy mechanics".
Aria Ta'Rohk Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2012.12.09 18:00:00 - [11] - Quote It's in the game, so of course they support it
FnStrabo Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.12.09 18:12:00 - [12] - Quote Nex apparatu5 wrote: The only way to "permadec" someone is for an aggressor to continue to pay the wardec fee, or for two parties to both decide a war will be mutual. Neither of these need to be fixed, and neither of these are "dodgy mechanics". As the original poster stated. This is for CCP to answer. The post is about Dec Shield and the mechanics not working as they are apparently meant to. The transfer of the war and subsequent permadec situation as such. CCP?
Nex apparatu5 Viper RnD The Big Dirty 398	Posted - 2012.12.09 18:13:00 - [13] - Quote FnStrabo wrote: Nex apparatu5 wrote: The only way to "permadec" someone is for an aggressor to continue to pay the wardec fee, or for two parties to both decide a war will be mutual. Neither of these need to be fixed, and neither of these are "dodgy mechanics". As the original poster stated. This is for CCP to answer. The post is about Dec Shield and the mechanics not working as they are apparently meant to. The transfer of the war and subsequent permadec situation as such. CCP? Dec shield was patched out of the game, so I ask again, what is he asking about?
FnStrabo Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.12.09 18:14:00 - [14] - Quote Aria Ta'Rohk wrote: It's in the game, so of course they support it It's not a question of supporting war. It's a matter of the mechanics working correctly or as intended. The recent patch was supposed to address the war mechanics. Many corps are still yet to see what is to come of it, as it was not an immediate fix, and the wars (Dec Shield) still persist apparently.
Nex apparatu5 Viper RnD The Big Dirty 398	Posted - 2012.12.09 18:25:00 - [15] - Quote FnStrabo wrote: Aria Ta'Rohk wrote: It's in the game, so of course they support it It's not a question of supporting war. It's a matter of the mechanics working correctly or as intended. The recent patch was supposed to address the war mechanics. Many corps are still yet to see what is to come of it, as it was not an immediate fix, and the wars (Dec Shield) still persist apparently. So petition it, because the recent expansion did fix it. Still don't see the issue.
stabmag Republic University Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.12.09 18:52:00 - [16] - Quote Nex apparatu5 wrote: FnStrabo wrote: Nex apparatu5 wrote: The only way to "permadec" someone is for an aggressor to continue to pay the wardec fee, or for two parties to both decide a war will be mutual. Neither of these need to be fixed, and neither of these are "dodgy mechanics". As the original poster stated. This is for CCP to answer. The post is about Dec Shield and the mechanics not working as they are apparently meant to. The transfer of the war and subsequent permadec situation as such. CCP? The Dec shield exploit was patched out of the game, so I ask again, what in-game mechanic is he asking about? As per Dec shields latest discussion in the crime and punishment forum it has not been.
J3ssica Alba Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 566	Posted - 2012.12.09 18:57:00 - [17] - Quote Came expecting support for paramedics, left realising I read it wrong This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 1122	Posted - 2012.12.09 19:06:00 - [18] - Quote A Petition is more likely to get a response than here. At least they will have to respond in some way. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Zelda Wei New Horizon Trade Exchange 187	Posted - 2012.12.09 19:08:00 - [19] - Quote Dec Shield butt hurt detected. 1) Mechanics are working as intended, 2) Wars are not permanant but indefinite, 3) They could end if dec shield fails or you surrender and disband your corp. 4) If you make a public thread you cannot stop other players from commenting. 5) If you only want a CCP response then use petition system.
stabmag Republic University Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.12.09 19:17:00 - [20] - Quote Zelda Wei wrote: Dec Shield butt hurt detected. 1) Mechanics are working as intended, 2) Wars are not permanant but indefinite, 3) They could end if dec shield fails or you surrender and disband your corp. 4) If you make a public thread you cannot stop other players from commenting. 5) If you only want a CCP response then use petition system. troll posting detected. again mechanics may not be working as intended. but either way this thread is not a discussion about if wars are good or whos style of play is good or bad. This is not even a thread about if the mechanics are good or bad. Just if ccp supports the ability of 1 aliance to keep another corp or aliance locked in a perma-dec. obviously I cannot stop people from posting but I would respectfully ask we keep the discussion on topic. Any discussion otherwise is off topic and I would rather not see my topic locked because some idiot carebear thinks the world revolves around thier ability to mine and mission in peace or some pvp idiot that thinks eve has no pve content.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10642	Posted - 2012.12.09 19:39:00 - [21] - Quote stabmag wrote: This is not even a thread about if the mechanics are good or bad. Just if ccp supports the ability of 1 aliance to keep another corp or aliance locked in a perma-dec. GÇªand the answer is simple: yes. Yes they do. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
stabmag Republic University Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.12.09 20:17:00 - [22] - Quote Tippia wrote: stabmag wrote: This is not even a thread about if the mechanics are good or bad. Just if ccp supports the ability of 1 aliance to keep another corp or aliance locked in a perma-dec. GÇªand the answer is simple: yes. Yes they do. Can you point me to the quote from a ccp dev that confirms this please? Honestly it would make everything so much easier if they just came out and said yes we support perma decs. carebears wouldn't be able to ***** about it and griefers would have to think twice before they war decced someone. but I don't believe I have ever seen such a quote. Thus any opinions coming from players are simply speculation. I appreciate the argument that if it's in the game and people aren't getting banned for it then ccp must support it. However given that they made changes to the war dec system last patch that limited the ability of an alliance to keep a corp / alliance perma-decced one could infer that this means they don't want corps / alliances to be trapped by perma deccs. Why spend time and resources to try to limit perma decs if its something ccp wants in the game. Further more if they really supported perma decs why not just make it a feature. Hell it could be a great isk sink. "for X amount of isk you can perma trap a corp / alliance." and make X some ridiculous amount. However absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The only way this is going to get a decent answer is if CCP responds with an official position.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1875	Posted - 2012.12.09 22:16:00 - [23] - Quote Tippia wrote: stabmag wrote: This is not even a thread about if the mechanics are good or bad. Just if ccp supports the ability of 1 aliance to keep another corp or aliance locked in a perma-dec. GÇªand the answer is simple: yes. Yes they do. I love highsec pvp mechanics. Three cheers for decshield, leading the way forward in highsec ~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
stabmag Republic University Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.12.10 12:18:00 - [24] - Quote why do the guys that were bumping miners get an answer but the bigger issues get glossed over? Yes i read the patch notes. No this still doesn't answer the question of if ccp supports perma decs. Once again heading off a bit of the troll bait: This is not a thread about mechanics. This is a thread about concepts. bumping ships is allowed by mechanics but a bunch of miners got whiny when it was used to bump thier afk ships off the rocks. ccp in turn answered whether or not that was considered griefing. This is not a miner bumping thread. I don't care about that. Just mentioned it to make a comparison of ccps actions in 1 area but not another.
Emu Meo Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.12.10 12:25:00 - [25] - Quote Its amusing to still see all the so called "smart asses" claiming that this is working as intended, when if they actually did know what they were talking about then they would realise that CCP has already stated this is an exploit and they have already taken steps to fix it, with another update in the patch today.
Gary Bell Hard Knocks Inc. 22	Posted - 2012.12.10 13:19:00 - [26] - Quote Nex apparatu5 wrote: FnStrabo wrote: Aria Ta'Rohk wrote: It's in the game, so of course they support it It's not a question of supporting war. It's a matter of the mechanics working correctly or as intended. The recent patch was supposed to address the war mechanics. Many corps are still yet to see what is to come of it, as it was not an immediate fix, and the wars (Dec Shield) still persist apparently. So petition it, because the recent expansion did fix it. Still don't see the issue. Quoting for the stupid.. Fixed.. I THINK NOT! DECSHIELD FOREVER!
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2824	Posted - 2012.12.10 14:43:00 - [27] - Quote Gary Bell wrote: Nex apparatu5 wrote: FnStrabo wrote: Aria Ta'Rohk wrote: It's in the game, so of course they support it It's not a question of supporting war. It's a matter of the mechanics working correctly or as intended. The recent patch was supposed to address the war mechanics. Many corps are still yet to see what is to come of it, as it was not an immediate fix, and the wars (Dec Shield) still persist apparently. So petition it, because the recent expansion did fix it. Still don't see the issue. Quoting for the stupid.. Fixed.. I THINK NOT! DECSHIELD FOREVER! ... until the patch. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2824	Posted - 2012.12.10 14:46:00 - [28] - Quote Tippia wrote: stabmag wrote: This is not even a thread about if the mechanics are good or bad. Just if ccp supports the ability of 1 aliance to keep another corp or aliance locked in a perma-dec. GÇªand the answer is simple: yes. Yes they do. I have to disagree this time Tippia, they were pretty clear in allowing a way out for the aggressing corp in case of a mutual war... although apparently it's not working as intended at the moment. Is there more to the story I am unaware of? (I don't hit the crime and punishment forums much.) To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Emu Meo Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2012.12.10 14:59:00 - [29] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Is there more to the story I am unaware of? (I don't hit the crime and punishment forums much.) Nope. Most the people on here are just trolling or unaware that CCP has been considering these permadecs exploits for quite some time now. A fix was released in retribution, and a new fix was released in todays patch.
stabmag Republic University Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.12.10 15:44:00 - [30] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Gary Bell wrote: Nex apparatu5 wrote: FnStrabo wrote: Aria Ta'Rohk wrote: It's in the game, so of course they support it It's not a question of supporting war. It's a matter of the mechanics working correctly or as intended. The recent patch was supposed to address the war mechanics. Many corps are still yet to see what is to come of it, as it was not an immediate fix, and the wars (Dec Shield) still persist apparently. So petition it, because the recent expansion did fix it. Still don't see the issue. Quoting for the stupid.. Fixed.. I THINK NOT! DECSHIELD FOREVER! ... until the patch. Assuming the patch works.. and assuming its target is the new exploit . Or untill he finds a new exploit. This is why it is important for ccp to make thier intentions clear. Game mechanics still allow for concord evasion and canflipping / scamming in the newbie systems however because ccp is clear on thier position of these actions we all know what happens why you try it.

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