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Vilserx
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Posted - 2005.05.13 16:50:00 -
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Well, I've read the Missile Thread (as a Raven pilot) and although it's not all final, there's a possibility that lvl4 missions will be nigh-on impossible to do in a Raven after the 'nerf.' This isn't a "omgwtf nerf" thread, it's just that should it happen that I can't do lvl4 in a Raven I need an alternative.
I've looked at the various BSs and it's a toss-up between the Apoc and Mega (Tempest looks good too, but I hear it's very skill-intensive). So, I'm looking for advice for which one to choose as my 'backup plan.'
I currently have no skill-bias to either of them (i.e. about the same). I only do PvE (omg carebear) at the moment.
Advice is appreciated. 
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Regma
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Posted - 2005.05.13 16:56:00 -
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Well, it would be a hell of alot faster to train the new skills for missiles, than to learn a whole new race...
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.05.13 16:56:00 -
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I'm also a Raven pilot who is not sure if his Raven will still be a good mission ship.
So for now my training is going to Engineering skills, electronics skills, etc. No matter what ship I eventually fly, those will be useful.
I've heard good things about the Domi on Lv 4 missions, and if the Raven really is badly affected, I might try it. But no rush, I have options for my game time 
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.05.13 17:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Sergeant Spot
I've heard good things about the Domi
Lies, I tell you ..
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TeamBETAalpha
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Posted - 2005.05.13 17:06:00 -
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Too many whinners, dont go doggin your raven just yet. Ravens are pretty close to being top agent runners along with apocs. Even with the torp nerf if there is one remember as well that there might be new skills out to help shield tank that might make up for it. And the fact that the torps will be traveling faster and along with the damage increase it should make up for any nerfing if you "are" a raven flyer. Im a raven flyer as well, npc'ing or one on one pvp I will do anyday. Im actually excited about the new skills coming, bring more tact to the game with raven. So stop cryin or worrying about the new skills otherwise if your *****in get on the test server and test them out. Otherwise just be patient and wait. Too many new skill complainers...If your a real raven flyer youll cope with the new skills and stop being a noob about it. 
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Vilserx
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Posted - 2005.05.13 17:14:00 -
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Quote:
Ravens are pretty close to being top agent runners along with apocs.
The one useful thing about your post in relation to my original question.
This isn't a whining thread, I don't want you to make it one.
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Achmed Abdul
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Posted - 2005.05.13 17:20:00 -
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6 cruiser launchers, which are getting a rof decrease, and a webber and/or target painter (sig radius anyone) will take care of those pesky frigs orbiting you.
You're gonna lose some of your offensive capabilities, and some of the shield tanking (made up by buffed modules). Just have to rethink the fittings a bit.
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Liam Fremen
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Posted - 2005.05.13 17:20:00 -
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Guys try realy to understand this:
Actualy ONLY the raven do lvl4 miss like eating chips
NO OTHER BS make lvl4 miss so simply.
This is whi is going to be nerfed.
So there is no other bs able to make those mission like u do now with raven.
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Angaro
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Posted - 2005.05.13 17:21:00 -
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I've been running some lvl 4 missions with my domi, mostly against serpentis.
I'm using a large t2 repper, an ab II, 250mm rails, 14 heavy drones, and 4 hardeners.
It puts up a reasonable tank (though you can't "just sit there" and tank while shooting stuff down). I've done most non-deadspace and stuff like rogue drones.
If you're using your head it's quite doable, but requires a lot of patience for killing stuff like supreme drone parasites or mordus mammoth.
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Vilserx
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Posted - 2005.05.13 17:22:00 -
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Buffed modules? Erm...where have they been mentioned?
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Vilserx
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Posted - 2005.05.13 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Liam Fremen
Guys try realy to understand this:
Actualy ONLY the raven do lvl4 miss like eating chips
NO OTHER BS make lvl4 miss so simply.
This is whi is going to be nerfed.
So there is no other bs able to make those mission like u do now with raven.
Yes, I fully understand the reason of the nerf, but it seems that they're going overboard. So instead of being in-line with other BSs, the Raven will be even worse than them.
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Epofhis
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Posted - 2005.05.13 17:24:00 -
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Hello Mr. Vil,
I've actually tried the missle setups on sisi, and they suck as are... Im all for the missle changes, just not exactly how they are. There seems to be a few exploitable traits exhibited in there current form. Such as heavy missles vs frigs do sheet damage, so does say a crow vs a inty, the inty moves so fast that light missles do sheety damage, also a mwd or nanofiber + ab ship will recieve almost no damage from a cruise missle. They do need a bit reworking cause a megapulse poc hit frigs at 45k w/ microwave for 100 damage per hit, and a cruise at 50k hits a frig for <.3? I think missle changes r needed, but they shouldnt take 100 + torps to kill on npc inty
btw I fly pocs for my lvl 4 missions and will soon be using my scorp/ravens as large energy batteries for my main =/
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Vilserx
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Posted - 2005.05.13 17:28:00 -
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How good is the Apoc for your mission-running.
Obviously, I don't want to change race unless I am unable to adapt to the changes.
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Akaviri
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Posted - 2005.05.13 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Akaviri on 13/05/2005 19:19:19
Before the missle changes were announced, I switched from using a Raven for lvl 4 missions to using a Megathron. I was just finding lvl 4 missions to be insanely boring when flying a Raven and needed more of a challenge. Anyway, to get to the point, the Megathron can solo all the lvl 4 missions that the Gallente Navy gives out. It can do normal space missions just as fast (or faster) as a Raven can. For deadspace missions the time required to finish varies considerably. Some of them take 75% of the time a Raven takes, others can take twice as long to finish. Most take longer though.
The Megathron is far superior to the Dominix in killing ability for these missions. It's possible to do a lot of lvl 4's with a Domi, but it will just take longer to finish. I can't really comment on the Apoc, since I never flew one.
If I were you I'd consider waiting a while and seeing what changes go through. It might be worth sticking with the Raven and training up the new skills rather than jumping ship. Still, if you want to make the decision between Raven and Apoc, consider the type of npc's you'll be fighting most of the time and the dmg types they have high resists to. For Blood Raiders and Sanshas the Apoc is the obvious choice, for Guristas the Mega is better. For Serpentis and Angels they are probably about the same.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.05.13 19:25:00 -
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So you think its gonna be easier in an apoc/mega than a raven? cap my friend will be your best friend.
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Grismara
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Posted - 2005.05.13 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Grismara on 13/05/2005 19:29:00
Originally by: Liam Fremen
So there is no other bs able to make those mission like u do now with raven.
See? That's wrong.
The Apoc is a fine mission runner ship. I'd recommend it strongly. You can do any mission you did with the Raven, plus: It does need no ammunition.
Depending on you skills, setup and the current mission situation, you can just snipe away the small ships. The Apoc is arguably as well the best tank in game, surpassing the Raven tankability in terms of long-term tanking by far.
I'm as well going back to my Apoc.
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Vilserx
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Posted - 2005.05.13 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Akaviri
Edited by: Akaviri on 13/05/2005 19:19:19
consider the type of npc's you'll be fighting most of the time and the dmg types they have high resists to. For Blood Raiders and Sanshas the Apoc is the obvious choice, for Guristas the Mega is better. For Serpentis and Angels they are probably about the same.
That's a very good point I hadn't thought of.
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Marskalkur
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Posted - 2005.05.13 19:53:00 -
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I'd say stick with one race. whatever you do, don't switch race after each nerf like most players. It creates more nerfing.
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Soros
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Posted - 2005.05.13 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Soros on 13/05/2005 21:10:31
I personally specialise in apoc but I fly my megathron vs APOC the reason being that apocs guns dont hit so well under 5k's, but megathron with the changes is a sweet ship, if you want to pick one, just pick which one looks better as the are both very nice ships, laser II's are nice and cheap atm,
Im pretty drunk so what I post might not make gramatical sense
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.05.13 21:52:00 -
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Personally glad i relised ravens are a nub ship long ago and got no real pleasure\reward from killing in it, but my defection to amarr battleships has been a v good choice.
Lasers altho powerful with the right skills have one annoying draw back .... there limited dmg types. EM and Therm.
if ur fighting angels might aswell forget it.
But im sure ul prolly pvp in it at some point. and ul be glad in those circumstances u pick amarrian. altho apoc's are great tank i found even with t2 megapulse its mainly a cap war and personally i dont like to hang about waiting for an opponent cap to fail in 0.0
Geddon tho 7 t2 megapulse 5hs t2, 2 wcs and the last slot is either a nano adaptive, med t2 rep, or 1600mm tugsten.
cant go wrong even with it limited dmg types of em and therm. cept the double em tanked raven i bloody hate that! soon as u see 100ish dmg shots might aswell align for warp!!
sorry if i went slighty off what u were asking but i often find u should never limit ur ship selection on just one type of career in eve, becus once youve trained for it u might find ul wana do summin else.
Best to look at specialisation very carefully, takes very long to do it.
Tempest tho u might wana check out abit more - if u have good raven skills minmatar is a good one to go for.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.05.13 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vilserx
How good is the Apoc for your mission-running.
Mine does quite well just struggles on deadspace missions against fast targets cruisers arnt much of a problem, i think i just need to find the "optimal" setup.
Id also reccomend a set of T2 Mega-Pulses since they give more DoT and have slightly better range which helps reduce tracking problems.
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2005.05.13 23:24:00 -
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I'm going with the Tempest instead of the Mega, even though I'm more advanced with the later.
There're a couple of reasons for this: First of all, the Tempest has the option of shield tanking like the Raven, meaning that all those expensive faction hardeners/boosters that I got will not go to waste.
Secondly, it's been my experience that the shield-tanking, even though less efficient, is not as risky the armour tanking, making its faster boosting cycle a winner in my books. Another thing, the ship itself is faster/lighter. Its weaponry doesn't require much(if any) cap, which makes it even more like the Raven (read: better tank than the Mega). Mega's weapons are very cap thirsty.
And as we all know by know, an all out gank setup (1400 II's ) on a Tempest makes for a omgwtfbbq damage, toasting npc frigs/cruisers at range in one volley. Tempest 4tw!
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.05.14 01:09:00 -
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Good choice. Hope my words influenced you in some way. Brought a minnie specific alt myself just to play with the big guns.
Anyways GL with your tempest im sure you wont be dissapointed.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.05.14 01:33:00 -
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Go with the race you like, if nothing else you can stick rails on that Raven.
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.05.14 02:01:00 -
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Set up for fighting big ships. Bring a friend in a cruiser for smaller ships. Anyone running missions in any other ships doing this has found the aid invaluable.
Grouping is hard. 
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Olivin
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Posted - 2005.05.14 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
I've heard good things about the Domi
Lies, I tell you ..
Nope. Domi can do any lvl4 mission better and faster then a Raven. Although you need much more then 3 mil sp and forum setup.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.05.14 08:23:00 -
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Apoc is much worse at angels than a raven is. Raven can do any damage type while an apoc's lasers hit those heavy em/thermal angel resists. Also Angels do a lot of explosive damage an armor tankers worse resist. Even with the missile changes I think Raven is going to be awesome NPC'er. 6 siege for bs and cruises and drones or good named smartbombs for the inties.
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Na'Axin
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Posted - 2005.05.14 11:10:00 -
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raven sucks vs angels with the new changes....
remember that angel BS's are quite a bit faster then normal ones, and torp damage is based on the speed of your target.
I tested it on sisi and average torp hit vs an angel warlord was 40-50 damage
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Vilserx
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Posted - 2005.05.14 11:47:00 -
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Can I make another request? Can somebody outline some of the main skills I'd need to learn to use each race's T2 battleship effectively?
e.g. Megathron - Drones
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.05.14 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Olivin
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
I've heard good things about the Domi
Lies, I tell you ..
Nope. Domi can do any lvl4 mission better and faster then a Raven. Although you need much more then 3 mil sp and forum setup.
Olivin
plz explain 
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