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Tyrhineld Malukker
Krannon of Sherwood
Carthage Empires
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:56:00 -
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Hey guys,
So I keep losing ships through stupid mistakes and want a way of getting income through mining. How profitable is a retriever in high sec? |
Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:05:00 -
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Not very, its a glass tank.
Train into a hulk using t2 turrets and t2 mining laser upgrades with an alt hauler or an orca and profit.
Watch the market for highest paying minerals and mine the ore that refines the most into those minerals. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:15:00 -
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No way, man. Ignore that other guy. Train for a Mackinaw, and mine ice. You see what Oxygen Isotopes are going for these days? Big money. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
13
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:38:00 -
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Rets do make ISK just mining in highsec. It's only like 5M ISK/h tops, but it's still something you can do for some passive income while watching TV or doing homework.
And ignore the guy telling you to try and mine Gallente ice, the Goons are attempting an interdiction of all Gallente ice right now. |
Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
5
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Posted - 2011.10.06 14:44:00 -
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Retrievers can get lost due to rats and gankers. If you are not primarily a miner, training a month for a hulk wil be a waste of your time. A properly fit battleship like a rokh can , acording to haladas mining guide, outmine a retiever. This would be with mining lazer upgrades on the low slots. No one mines in such but it is an option.
You may want to figure out why you are losing so many ships. Are they fail fit? Flown improperly? Of course if you enjoy losing them don't let anyone tell you your playing the game wrong.
What rocks are the most isk per hour to mine? Which of your mission loot is worth more refined than sold? What blue prints make the most proffit? Answers: https://eve-industrialist.com/ Never sell an item for less than its mineral costs again! |
Tyrhineld Malukker
Krannon of Sherwood
Carthage Empires
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:32:00 -
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Mechanoid Kryten wrote:Retrievers can get lost due to rats and gankers. If you are not primarily a miner, training a month for a hulk wil be a waste of your time. A properly fit battleship like a rokh can , acording to haladas mining guide, outmine a retiever. This would be with mining lazer upgrades on the low slots. No one mines in such but it is an option.
You may want to figure out why you are losing so many ships. Are they fail fit? Flown improperly? Of course if you enjoy losing them don't let anyone tell you your playing the game wrong.
Yeah I definitely agree about the fragility of the ship, but whats nice is its cheap and hopefully i can mine for an hour or two and get back its cost in isk. Unfortunately the whole reason im looking into this (and PI) for income is because i've got very little cash on me and since I'm still rather new to the game I can't fly a bs with any degree of competency.
Actually not fail fit usually fit rather well, either wh losses (great times), lvl3 **** you missions (gotta get into the habit of reading about them first), or wardecs (rifters mainly). I'm definitely having loads fun and I didn't really care that I lost a 60mil ship because of a fluke last night - I'd rather not have my isk generation always tied to my combat ships though. |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:59:00 -
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A retriever isn't that fragile. Just keep it in higher sec if that worries you. .9 or 1.0 if you want to fit mining drones. Any lower and fit hobgoblins. I mined in 0.5 without a problem. If you get suicide ganked it is a lot less painful in a cheap retriever than a Hulk. |
Vandy ColdStone
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:02:00 -
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1. The retriever is not going to make you anywhere near 5mil an hour. Mine for 12 hours straight, solo, in high sec, take your total money made and divide it. I'm almost positive it will be much less than 5mil / hour. (In high sec of course)
2. The hulk fit he described is glass as well. It's stronger than a retriever but that fit he described isn't very amazing. I dont fly a hulk unless it has at least 18k EHP. Thats just me though. No reason for you to do that unless you go in expecting to be ganked. Which happens alot it seems.
3. A Rokh will outmine a retriever by a long shot. It can't keep up with a hulk, but it is definitely better than a retriever.
4. I would suggest finding someone you can mine with, and they pay you to mine. That way your bits stay running constant and they will haul out of the field for you. I know several people that do that. Also - look around the forums, you will probably find a few.
Hope I helped. Fly safe. |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.10.07 00:46:00 -
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Vandy ColdStone wrote:
3. A Rokh will outmine a retriever by a long shot. It can't keep up with a hulk, but it is definitely better than a retriever.
Hope I helped. Fly safe.
How much does a Rokh cost vs. a Retriever? |
Vandy ColdStone
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.07 01:11:00 -
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Dalloway Jones wrote:Vandy ColdStone wrote:
3. A Rokh will outmine a retriever by a long shot. It can't keep up with a hulk, but it is definitely better than a retriever.
Hope I helped. Fly safe.
How much does a Rokh cost vs. a Retriever?
Depends where you shop. It's cheaper than a hulk. I want to say around 130mil? I haven't looked at the market on them in months. But if you dont want to lose ship/fittings its worth it.
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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 01:51:00 -
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Vandy ColdStone wrote:Dalloway Jones wrote:Vandy ColdStone wrote:
3. A Rokh will outmine a retriever by a long shot. It can't keep up with a hulk, but it is definitely better than a retriever.
Hope I helped. Fly safe.
How much does a Rokh cost vs. a Retriever? Depends where you shop. It's cheaper than a hulk. I want to say around 130mil? I haven't looked at the market on them in months. But if you dont want to lose ship/fittings its worth it.
How do you lose a Hulk while mining in 0.5 - 1.0 space?
It costs about 400mil.
Got no idea what the time difference would be training for Rokh versus Hulk. |
Vandy ColdStone
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.07 01:57:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:
How do you lose a Hulk while mining in 0.5 - 1.0 space?
It costs about 400mil.
Got no idea what the time difference would be training for Rokh versus Hulk.
By getting ganked. 4 pilots with battleships and smartbombs can destroy pretty much any hulk no matter the tank.
A hulk is about 180mil in Jita at the moment. 180-200mil. I'd say maybe 220 with fittings?
And a rokh is just a battleship. I think you only need to train Caldari Battleship to 3.
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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:24:00 -
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Vandy ColdStone wrote:Flurk Hellbron wrote:
How do you lose a Hulk while mining in 0.5 - 1.0 space?
It costs about 400mil.
Got no idea what the time difference would be training for Rokh versus Hulk.
By getting ganked. 4 pilots with battleships and smartbombs can destroy pretty much any hulk no matter the tank. A hulk is about 180mil in Jita at the moment. 180-200mil. I'd say maybe 220 with fittings? And a rokh is just a battleship. I think you only need to train Caldari Battleship to 3.
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Ur Rokh gonna survive that kinda gank? Guess not and........ never heard of that sort of ganking in hi sec.
And a cargo hold :
Capacity
625 m3 ain't what a miner needs, so he has to use GSC's or jet cans, thus a second ship to haul the ore........
I think a retriever beats ur rokh in mining effectively in isk/hour.
1 step further and ur in a covetor............. |
Vandy ColdStone
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.07 02:31:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Ur Rokh gonna survive that kinda gank? Guess not and........ never heard of that sort of ganking in hi sec.
And a cargo hold :
Capacity
625 m3 ain't what a miner needs, so he has to use GSC's or jet cans, thus a second ship to haul the ore........
I think a retriever beats ur rokh in mining effectively in isk/hour.
1 step further and ur in a covetor.............
Yes - a rokh would survive it. I have a mining rokh set up with 130k EHP.
And just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Feel free to continue losing countless retrievers though if that suits your fancy. Im only trying to help.
I have been actively mining since '08. Am I the best? Of course not. But I run more than one account, yes this includes a hauler. Yes it DOES beat a solo retriever all day backwards and sleeping. And your covetor is just as squishy as a retriever.
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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 03:00:00 -
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Vandy ColdStone wrote:Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Ur Rokh gonna survive that kinda gank? Guess not and........ never heard of that sort of ganking in hi sec.
And a cargo hold :
Capacity
625 m3 ain't what a miner needs, so he has to use GSC's or jet cans, thus a second ship to haul the ore........
I think a retriever beats ur rokh in mining effectively in isk/hour.
1 step further and ur in a covetor.............
Yes - a rokh would survive it. I have a mining rokh set up with 130k EHP. And just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I run more than one account, yes this includes a hauler. Yes it DOES beat a solo retriever all day backwards and sleeping. And your covetor is just as squishy as a retriever.
So you forgot to / by two?
So, guess all peeps using mining barges t1 should go change to mining in a BS coz you "think" it's more profitable?
Your rokh ain't coming close to a mining covetor and hardly beats a retriever if it does that at all. |
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:04:00 -
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A Rokh can mine more than a Retriever but it costs something like 10 times more. I'm not really sure how the training compares but a Retriever is pretty easy to get into.
A Covetor on the other hand mines a lot more than a Rokh but is still a much, much cheaper ship.
And the Rokh isn't going to get anywhere close to the yield of a Hulk no matter what you do.
So if your goal is to be a miner and that is what you are going to do most of the time to make money in EVE you will want to be training toward Hulk and Retriever makes sense a long the way. You can probably skip Covetor and go right to Hulk.
If yo are going to mostly do Missions or PvP or whatever and just want to sometimes mine for a change of pace or whatever then it probably makes sense to just train to battleships and get a Rokh or one of the other races battleships that makes sense.
Since the OP admits he is sort of careless and loses a lot of ships the option that makes the most sense to me right now is go for Retriever because it is the least expensive to replaces until he starts getting better at not dying. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
334
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Posted - 2011.10.07 04:23:00 -
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Getting into a mackinaw and mining blue ice in Gallente space is definitely the way to go.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Vandy ColdStone
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:15:00 -
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The way I understood it, was he was losing many retrievers through silly mistakes. Your not going to lose a rokh through a silly mistake. You wouldn't lose a hulk either unless it was a REALLY stupid mistake, or a gank.
I run all hulks. All day every day. I was simply suggesting the rokh because I know with a hauler, it will pull faster overall than a retriever will, and has a tank so he wont lose it. Thats more so what I was getting at. And if he is into missioning / PvPing he can probably already fly a Rokh.
I never said it out pulled a coveter, but fit right it WILL out pull a retriever. Was in no means to be an argument of any sort. Just stating what I have learned over the years of trying different things.
Fly safe guys, God Bless. |
Vandy ColdStone
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:29:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Getting into a mackinaw and mining blue ice in Gallente space is definitely the way to go.
Must... resist... the cheeks...
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Dietrich VonMirat
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:46:00 -
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To the OP: sorry to hear you are losing so many ships. Many people go through that in this game, keep trying.
As far as mining... Wisdom lies in a variety of counsellors and you have many on this thread.... Pick whatever advice suits you best, and just remember to mine aligned, make sure your overview is set up right, and don't go afk. You'll do fine. |
Vandy ColdStone
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:10:00 -
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Vandy ColdStone
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:11:00 -
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Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.07 23:12:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:Vandy ColdStone wrote:Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Ur Rokh gonna survive that kinda gank? Guess not and........ never heard of that sort of ganking in hi sec.
And a cargo hold :
Capacity
625 m3 ain't what a miner needs, so he has to use GSC's or jet cans, thus a second ship to haul the ore........
I think a retriever beats ur rokh in mining effectively in isk/hour.
1 step further and ur in a covetor.............
Yes - a rokh would survive it. I have a mining rokh set up with 130k EHP. And just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I run more than one account, yes this includes a hauler. Yes it DOES beat a solo retriever all day backwards and sleeping. And your covetor is just as squishy as a retriever. So you forgot to / by two? So, guess all peeps using mining barges t1 should go change to mining in a BS coz you "think" it's more profitable? Your rokh ain't coming close to a mining covetor and hardly beats a retriever if it does that at all.
Your covetor can only store 4 mins or so worth of minerals, so it hardly eliminates the need for the second account... |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
9
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:37:00 -
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on the plus side.. you can insure your retriever for the full replacement value.
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Dom Florence
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 16:41:00 -
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No sir. |
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