I know that it's close to those numbers.

If you know what you're looking for and how to do it then yes.

With 4 planets producing the right product and only bringing in products from 1 planet with enough care you can make around 400mil isk per month for 1 character in high sec.

So you have done this? In high sec?

I also am interested in this PI skill we will be able to PvP with.

Well, that was pretty much the most incongruous use of GǣoverpoweredGǥ I've ever seenGǪ Ugh

It's not GÇ£poweredGÇ¥ at all, much less overpowered, and 400M a month is a pretty paltry sum to make, especially in highsec.

And even if it were any of those, it still wouldn't be overpowered GÇö it would just be the market doing its thing.

Well 400mil isk a month and all you have to do is check this and move that and run some numbers... It's the safest money in the game in high sec

That you have a risk...

Ah dude If you can make that much ISK in HIGH SEC With PI then your amazing.

And No you can't. LOL.

What Joshua forgot to mention, is your storage is finite. From my experiences with high sec production planets, you will need to visit your planet daily, if not twice a day. Hopefully they are all in the same system, or you'll be doing a lot of flying around.

But that's not even the real problem with this plan. The real problem is the slim margin. 29.5k of 873k is only 3.5%. If prices change at all, you could find yourself deeply invested in a losing venture. You might think this is speculation, but consider this: With Joshua's proposal, you will make 480 Broadcast Nodes daily. Between Oct 1st to Oct 5th, Jita market graph shows 21186 units sold, that's an average of 4237 daily. In other words, one character will be producing more than 10% of Jitas daily market. If you expect to add that much to the market, and not see the price drop equally, you're being foolish.

To the OP: Yea, you can make money with PI. You can probably even make enough to pay for your plex, but you won't be doing a whole lot more than that. It's not considered "overpowered" because the amount of time required is considered worth that much (or more to the buyer). Might as well just get a real job, and enjoy your game time instead of working for some faceless goon.

[quote=Malkuth Delapounti]Profit Per Hour: 589,040.00 ISK
Profit Per Day: 14,136,960.00 ISK
Profit Per Week: 98,958,720 ISK
Profit Per Month: 395,834,880 ISK

Now lets assume you've got an extra character and can make Neocoms from P2 inputs. Look at the massive difference in profit:

Profit Per Hour: 1,264,660.00 ISK
Profit Per Day: 30,351,840.00 ISK
Profit ......................................................

Just quoting a bit of the encyclopedia there for reference not use.

This assumes MAXIMUM output for a planet in High Sec.

There are no more planets left in High with maximum output as almost all are being farmed.

The output currently is anywhere from 25% - 50% Lower than these figures.

I have 3 toons doing Low Sec PI and one doing High.

The high sec output is just not even worth it IMHO.

...This assumes MAXIMUM output for a planet in High Sec....

...The output currently is anywhere from 25% - 50% Lower than these figures. ...

... The high sec output is just not even worth it IMHO.

Hi there. Clearly you have a hard time reading since you obviously understood nothing that I wrote. Everything I described was for FACTORY PLANET PRODUCTION. There is no extraction being done whatsoever. Everything is being bought at the market and used in constructing higher-end products.

Way to read the entire post, not just the part you're quoting, and make false assumptions.

Side stepping debate on how much you might be able to earn a month with PI, the whole point of PI is the Dust tie-in. CCP wants these planets to be valuable enough to us FiS guys that we will be willing to pay Dusties to fight over them.

With that goal in mind, I don't think we're there yet. When I can pack up and move to the next planet or system for a minimal expense, why would I pay someone to defend my claim or to kick someone else off of a planet?

IMO, unless the Dust tie-in will be deal only with Sov 0.0 planets, PI needs to become more valuable, not less.

Then why post ??

This was about the 'Risk" factor of High Sec PI.

Buying off the Market and producing 'up' is not very profitable to begin with, especially since the initial P0 is FREE. You have thereby just about busted any profit possible.

And buying off the Market and producing is not risky at all and contributes NOTHING to the OP posting.

I speak from over one year of experience in both High and Low Sec PI, NOT assumption.

Just quoting a bit of the encyclopedia there for reference not use.

This assumes MAXIMUM output for a planet in High Sec.

There are no more planets left in High with maximum output as almost all are being farmed.

The output currently is anywhere from 25% - 50% Lower than these figures.

I have 3 toons doing Low Sec PI and one doing High.

The high sec output is just not even worth it IMHO.

You didn't even bother to read the post before declaring its claims erroneous. The point is that there are different benefits to operating in low and high-sec. Do you need to be in low-sec to make a lot of ISK from PI? Based on what you think you know from your YEAR of experience you clearly think so. The truth is if you do your homework you can find many markets in which to operate and profit.

Clearly Eve is full of a lot of uneducated and adolescent players...

Krixtal - please learn to read before you reply.
There needs to be more of a risk involved with PI.

Well 400mil isk a month and all you have to do is check this and move that and run some numbers... It's the safest money in the game in high sec might not be as fast as some people like it but for a new acct with a little bit of money say 25mil to get started to be able to make 400mil isk in a month is just ridiculous... it needs to have something to counteract it / make it a little more risky.

This is after all EVE we are talking about. ^_^

This is so awesome!

I just made 400M this month thanks to Joshua's sterling work....

The fact that I had to log in every 14 hours for about an hour each time has had absolutely no impact on my enjoyment of the game, and certainly hasn't contributed to me now being confined to a mental institution...

I'd just like to thank him so so so much that I'll be donating him.... eajbfab ferbfbgtioerw

*sorry fell asleep on keyboard due to exhaustion*

Oh and when DUST arrives expect my marines to murder your stupid highsec factory planets first if you think you're risk free.

Oh and when DUST arrives expect my marines to murder your stupid highsec factory planets first if you think you're risk free.

This is just so idiotic.

Good Luck making that 400 Million on one toon in High Sec. MAYBE 250 M, but that's with really great planet resources.

250M / Month is not worth making MORE difficult. It's drop in the bucket. Besides, as pointed out, there is WAY much more money in running Level 4 missions and there is NO threat at all there.

Those Missions bring me over 2 BILLION a month. Why don't we make THEM more risky in High Sec as well, huh ??

Grow a set and do PI in Low Sec. Now, that WILL bring in at least 1.6 BILLION a month, which I do. AND it is super risky.

Lets see you sweat at a Custom Station for pick up and 3 'Canes uncloak.

THERE is your damned risk.........................

Lets see you sweat at a Custom Station for pick up and 3 'Canes uncloak.

THERE is your damned risk.........................

Cloaking canes?

Only in Science and industry

Improved Cloaking Device II
Speed penalty: -75%
Sensor Recalibration: 20 seconds
Scan Resolution Bonus: -40% (basically makes you target slower)

Cloaking canes?

Only in Science and industry

High-Sec PI can be done at any stage in the P0-P4 Production line and make people quite a bit of money.

If I had the Money and knew the market would be stable I can turn 10billion ISK into 1.8 Billion ISK profit Per month. or every month turn 10billion ISK into 11.8 billion ISK at the end of 30 days. <_<

That's nearly 20% profit margin. How can I do this... look at the market run the numbers yourself and figure it out.

If you don't believe me and you have run the numbers then i might let you in on a secret project that I have been working on that helps me find these numbers. I've tested it out and it's possible.

It shows me the profits that can be made given an end project that I want.

Right now I'm making 100mil isk per month of just one planet in high sec.

High-Sec PI can be done at any stage in the P0-P4 Production line and make people quite a bit of money.
Right now I'm making 100mil isk per month of just one planet in high sec.

Ah dude If you can make that much ISK in HIGH SEC With PI then your amazing.

And No you can't. LOL.

PI is just borked.

It was 'sold' as a way for newbies to make some ISK, but the only source of profit in the production chain is 0.0 extraction.

The production side is unprofitable because the logistics make it easier to haul higher tier stuff.

New players, with less then a week of training, can setup 5 harvest planets in hi-sec that pay for themselves in about 7-10 days. After which, those planets give them product each week that can be hauled to market and sold for ISK. The only ongoing cost that they have to deal with is export taxes and the time spent (nobody needs to move ECUs around in 90% of the cases, it's a waste of ISK over the long term).

No, hi-sec PI harvest planets do not generate a lot of ISK , but for a new player that 60-100M ISK per month for those 5 planets goes a long ways. And if they're smart about it, they can make closer to 120M per month with just 5 planets for not a lot of work. Later on, as they build their capital reserves, they can get into P2/P3/P4 production worlds (all of which make a profit, as long as you pay attention).

Remember, new players get big eyes when you say something costs 5M ISK. That's still a lot of money to a player with less then 2 months in-game.

Yeah, I think this is very true. I see a lot of posts about "0.0" and "jita trading with 10 billion seed money" etc. But that's kind of off topic and doesn't compare. I mean, is PI "overpowered" because someone who starts playing and is good at Farmville (or EVEVille ) can make 400 mil per month? I suppose if you log onto FarmVille a lot and maintain it enough, you will get a pretty impressive farm, right? But the same can be said about leveling to L4 missioning and maybe you will get some crap payout in the beginning, but when you are super battleship ready...that 2 bill a month is 4 times PI with 3 characters...And you didn't have to divide your training. Are L4 missions "overpowered"?

So, hey, maybe PI is a good way for noobs (in HIGH SEC!) to make some decent ISK, but it doesn't sound to me that it's overpowered since it has a quick ceiling.

as a returning player (been away a couple of years, previously played for about a year or so), PI seems like a reasonable way of making some much needed isk whilst I get back into the swing of things again.

I have a couple of ships and various items spread all over the place since I was last here, the costs of buying a decent ship, fitting it out properly are beyond me at the moment.

I can run missions, but my rep seems to be pretty low, so I wont be getting into high-payment missions for a while.

I figure, some PI, whilst I'm building up rep running low level missions will start to create a healthy bank balance to allow me to go have fun elsewhere.

I don't think I ever had more than 150mil, whatever I made went on ships, fittings etc, but then I'm only a casual player (maybe an hour or two per day at most, and only 4 or 5 days per week).

I know that I'm fairly new to the Whole PI Skill but from what I've learned. You can Plex an acct with just 1 or 2 characters learning the right skill set.

If I can stand to make 400mil ISK per month with 2 characters doing PI with minimal worry about losing anything, just by being in High Sec Space doesn't that mean that it's a little OP in it's current state.

I feel that there should be a way to PVP with the PI Skill and it should be out soon.

Anyone else have thoughts on this.

I know that they are looking into it but it's not out yet and i'm just curious if anyone else feels the same about this.